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Re: Wikinews reports

When I try to edit it it says "You cannot edit this poll because someone has already voted.". There is also an option to (I think) delete the poll but I'm unsure (never done a poll before). There is already three votes on the poll. FellowWiki Newsie 01:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi SVTCobra. Sorry, I forgot to do the actual editing of the article! Thanks for chipping in with the archiving, by the way. Blood Red Sandman is trying to get all active admins to archive 10 articles per day to help us get caught up with the backlog. Cheers, --Jcart1534 03:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

SVT, have a look at Brianmc's talk page. I brought up the issue of the article without sources for his opinion. --Jcart1534 15:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hezbollah article

Thanks for catching me again. I put the article into a separate window and ran a search and replace. I should have thought about that sweeping up the titles in the sources also. JoshuaZ 00:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for cleaning up the NPOV concerns in that article. --SVTCobra 00:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi Anonymous101! I want to thank you for the great number of articles that you have been contributing. Before you publish, it would be helpful if you could categories to the stories. Thanks, --SVTCobra 02:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I will try to add categories to future stories --User:Anonymous101 Talk 08:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the nice message by the way --User:Anonymous101 Talk 08:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


I've applied the category to a selection of these articles - but not all. I moved the discussion from Admin alerts to the category talk page and flagged it. I think we need to iron out a degree of consensus over what is and isn't comedy in a news setting. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I added my two cents (my tuppance worth) on the talk page. --SVTCobra 01:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


Wikinews:Arbitration_Committee/Elections_January_2008#User:SVTCobra . --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

There may be some problems with the terms and whether we are to have elections now at all. Please see WN:AAA#Wikinews:Arbitration Committee. --SVTCobra 00:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes I believe there was some degree of consensus to extend the terms, and I've supported that. I don't really think we need official chairs (I'm running the POTY contest without them), but I would decline such a post since Doldrums wanted to nominate me for ArbCom as well. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: User:Skenmy/Radio 1's Big Weekend closes, sinister plot continues

Considering as it was only a prep page - feel free! --Skenmy(tcwi) 08:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


I would like to know why you reverted me here. Please note that the interwiki link to the Spanish Wikinews appears twice in that page. My removal fixed that problem. --Boricuæddie 19:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I re-fixed. The diff made if look like you removed a valid link. --SVTCobra 14:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. --Boricuæddie 14:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


OK thanks, my bad on doing the whole edit-war thing!Bengl 19:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


Why is everybody being so mean to me? Is civility a policy here like on wikipedia?--Uga Man 22:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure that they are mean, at least I haven't seen it. But refusing to take your "presidential campaign" seriously is not mean. --SVTCobra 16:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ledger Story

Thanks for catching that about my Heath Ledger story. I will try to add more source information, but am tied up all afternoon. I've added a "Develop" box to the story in hopes that others will be able to source the material sooner than I can devote time to it. Anyway, must go, thanks again. Lenn 17:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ed conrad

Hello. I added {{delete}} to Ed conrad after you deleted it so I accidentally recreated it. --Benn Newman 00:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

FellowWikiNews got it. --Benn Newman 00:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
No worries ... --SVTCobra 00:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Wayne Allyn Root wins Missouri Libertarain Primary

I recently did an article on Wayne Allyn Root winning the Missouri Libertarian primary, which I was told needed some cleaning up. I did this and put the 'Publish' tag on it yesterday, but it still has yet to appear on the main page. If it is not ready for publishing, that's fine, but please put it back under 'Development'. If you think it is, please try to get it on the main page. Thanks for your help.--WNewsReporter 15:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The reason it didn't show up (although it was in the published category so technically available for readers) was that {{date}} wasn't used properly. --SVTCobra 02:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


Hello! I am editor of wikinews in Portuguese, and I would take the "ticker" for that wikinews could tell me what are the codes? From now thank! Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt 09:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I only know enough to point you to this Wikinews:Ticker, hope that helps. --SVTCobra 09:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt 09:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :)

That makes quite a difference visually :D, nice. Sean Heron - (talk) 22:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow, I only just noticed the wikification :). Sean Heron - (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. No need to mention it. --SVTCobra 23:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks alot for your help on the article I started. It is greatly appreciated.--Uga Man - (talk) 03:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Main page update

I've responded to your complaints on my talk page. Diligent Terrier - (talk) 02:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Internal linking in text

Yeah, I thought about that issue. I thought given the nature of it made sense (although maybe using the <ref> tags to the comics at the bottom might make sense also). I'll talk to Munroe and find out. His comics are all under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 2.5 License, which is slightly more restrictive than the one we use so we can't just port them over directly. I'll send him an email and hold off publishing until we get an answer. JoshuaZ - (talk) 03:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It may make sense also just given the topic to include a comic anyways. I've sent Randall a followup email. JoshuaZ - (talk) 03:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not a copyright expert, but whether they are by-nc-nd or by-nc-sa [1], I think we can freely use them here. We just have to attribute them. Of course it means they will have to uploaded locally since it doesn't meet Commons' criteria. --SVTCobra 02:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure? Since we have downstream commercial users of our content I have trouble seeing how that could be correct. JoshuaZ - (talk) 02:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I think we are OK here due to the Copyright terms on images may vary, please check individual image pages prior to duplication. disclaimer at the bottom of every page, but feel free to vet this on IRC or the Water Cooler. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Edit of Sudan boycotts Denmark

Thanks for fixing my lack of {{da}} tags. :) Lasse Havelund - (talk) 22:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Det var så lidt. {{da}} er ret ny. Jeg lavede den efter {{es}}. And thank you for contributing the article. --SVTCobra 22:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Bot User:Computer

Hello, is it possible for you to add a description of what this bot does or will do? --SVTCobra 23:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure. -- Cat chi? 23:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much. --SVTCobra 00:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


Sorry. I did not know that was from a different source. If i'm able to find a different source for that image, would be be possible to reuse it? or are those types of images not allowed on wikinews? RingtailedFox - (talk) 19:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

We cannot use images from other news organizations. Sorry. Amateur photographs can be used if they are released under a license that is cc-by or freer. Cheers, --SVTCobra 20:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

News briefs:March 03, 2008

I saw you "graveyarded" this. Should it be deleted? --SVTCobra 01:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to tag all of the "dead" unfinished News Brief scripts for deletion. I realise now I left them in the mainspace where they shouldn't have been -- the other approach would be for me to userfy them and take them out of the Brief category. I'm going to start writing the News Briefs in userspace from now on to stop this from happening. I'll sort them all out in a moment. Thanks. --NicholasTurnbull - (talk) 01:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright, glad to to hear you are on top of this. Other abandoned stuff usually gets discovered long time after and no one knows what to do with it. Cheers, hope you have fully recovered from your illness. --SVTCobra 01:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Reason for removing comments

I removed the comments because I changed everything I wrote and I wanted a new start on the process.--Uga Man - (talk) 22:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


Ok then, I'm about to head to bed I'll upload the pictures in the morning and then set it to publish then. JoshuaZ - (talk) 03:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, it looks like some helpful editors cleaned it up and published it is in its current form. Given the subject matter probably makes sense to leave it as is then. JoshuaZ - (talk) 03:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it's been a few days now. I still think we should have had one of the strips in the interview. But it is too late now. --SVTCobra 03:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Bulletin

Issue VIII - March 7, 2008
Administrators and Accredidations
Featured Articles and News In Pictures
  • No articles were promoted recently. Eight candidates are waiting for your vote, including a self-nomination by Celticfan383 which could become our first featured sports article.
  • Several images were featured on the main pages, which you can check out in the News In Picture archive.
  • The image below, by David Shankbone was voted as Wikinews' picture of the year.


Original reporting

Since our last edition, many articles have claimed original reporting. Here are the most recent:

Several others wrote stories based on television sources. The Wikinews Reports blog activity was mostly related to some of these stories. You can ask any of the blog authors if you want to help out on the blog.

Editor's note

A new year has started, and contributions, especially original reporting, seem to have increased a bit lately. I'd like to thank and welcome the hundreds of new wikinewsies since the last edition. --Anonymous101 (Talk) 21:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Site activity
IRC activity
  • Some of the IRC topics include interviews and the upcoming protests by Anonymous ... (add more here if you know more...)
Wikimedia News
About the Wikinews Bulletin

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Anonymous101 (Talk) 21:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: Archiving

Hi Cobra, is there anything in particular that I am doing incorrectly - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 01:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

In my intrepretation, the process is a thorough review, wikilinks should checked and fixed if necessary (including how the publishers are linked in the sources section and local links should be used when possible instead of WP links), redundant links should be removed, sources should be sorted, spelling errors should be fixed, date format and layout conventions should be enforced (i.e. where tags, sections, and cats belong). I think if you review the changes I made following your archiving, you can see what I felt should have been done. --SVTCobra 02:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that. The only problem is going to be that it is an impossible job for one person to do - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 23:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
It may be the only problem ... but it is a large one. --SVTCobra 02:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

September. Really.

I started planning different interviews in September, even if I didn't actually put them into practice. People in chat can vouch that I started there in September as well. Speaking of, how come you don't come to chat? TheCustomOfLife - (talk) 04:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, you already know how that goes. I just end up asking you to set up dates for me with former Top Model contestants. By the way, Andrea Muizelaar never called. --SVTCobra 04:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
If it makes you feel any better, she doesn't call me anymore either. TheCustomOfLife - (talk) 05:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


Was just changing all the links on the "Please check for links to the old name and update them to the new name" that WN asked me to change. Was just trying to follow protocol - didn't mean any offence to you. Sherurcij 02:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

OK. No harm no foul. --SVTCobra 02:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi Cobra, thanks for your comments, I've asked various questions on my own talk page

best, Leila

Leila Monaghan - (talk) 03:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Bulletin Delivery

Issue IX - March 19, 2008
Administrators and Accreditations
  • Since our last edition, no users have been given the mop and bucket.
  • No one has became an accredited reporter on Wikinews. You can currently vote on a request by WNewsReporter and Zachary.
Featured Articles and News In Pictures
  • No articles were promoted recently. Eight candidates are waiting for your vote, including a self-nomination by Celticfan383 which could become our first featured sports article.
  • Several images were featured on the main pages, which you can check out in the News In Picture archive.
  • Several images have been featured on the Main Page. A slideshow of these images is available below. (ogg format) -
Original reporting

Since our last edition, many articles have claimed original reporting. Here are the most recent:

Several others wrote stories based on television sources. The Wikinews Reports blog activity was mostly related to some of these stories. You can ask any of the blog authors if you want to help out on the blog.

Editor's note

I would like to thank our users who have helped increase our level of Original Reporting content. Some users who I think have been especially helpful are Leila Monaghan (talk · contribs) who has got interviews despite being a very new user and BrockF5 (talk · contribs) who has continued to provide us with excellent reports and images. In addition, Brianmc (talk · contribs) has been helpful in combatting vandalism. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 19:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Site activity
IRC activity
  • Some of the IRC topics include the mass deletion of CC-NC or ND images. ... (add more here if you know more...)
Wikimedia News
  • The Wikimania call for participation deadline closes TODAY!. Get your last-minute submissions in or get involved with the Wikinews efforts at WN:WM2008.
  • Wikimedia Commons has accepted the Creative Commons 3.0 license.
  • The English Wikipedia now has more than 10'000'000 pages, all namespaces combined.
About the Wikinews Bulletin

The Wikinews Bulletin is a free internal newsletter for members of the Wikinews community. The newsletter is "staffed" by several editors, who produce the (more or less) fortnightly publication. Don't hesitate to join our team, or leave us a tip. The publication has produced nine issues.

--Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 20:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the comment and for the link to fresher sources on the developing DNC lawsuit story.Electricmic - (talk) 01:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


...are you never on IRC? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Not sure ... I guess because the web interface stopped working for me ... I have now downloaded an IRC client ... maybe I'll pop in. --SVTCobra 22:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Try Chatzilla, and please do! The Cabal is not complete without you.   --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Bill restricting Post Office closures defeated in UK Parliament; MP tells Wikinews why she supported the bill

Respoded to your comment at Talk:Bill restricting Post Office closures defeated in UK Parliament; MP tells Wikinews why she supported the bill--Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 22:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


Nice catch on the grammar, This is my first breaking news story I've been involved in, doing my best to catch the errors as I go. --RoninBK - (talk) 01:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Thank you for contributing this story. We need more if we are going to succeed. --SVTCobra 01:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

== Image:Sedinta cu tarlev.jpg ==

Hi, I'd like use this image(Image:Sedinta cu tarlev.jpg, * "Prime Minister Vasile Tarlev resigned" — Government of Republic of Moldova, 03/19/2008),

like an image from a news site, like the Image:Robert Maltby.jpg one. What kind of licence information should I apply to the images like that?

Organizing categories

Do you have some system to the way you organize categories, or rather, does Wikinews have a set way to do it? I usually just organize them all alphabetically. Cirt - (talk) 22:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I do ... but it is not directly based on any set policy or guideline, since I feel Wikinews:Categories and topic pages is lacking in structure. A few others seem to follow it and I have often thought that we perhaps should have a guideline. I feel it is useful when viewing the cats at the bottom of an article.
I will articulate the way I see it with an eye to referencing this if we ever get around to updating the guideline.
  1. There must be at least two cats (the third is date category, but that is automatic), one each from what I think of as super-cats: Geographic and Topic, arbitrarily, I have always put Geo first
  2. Top-level cats such as Category:Europe and Category:Culture and entertainment always precede their subcats, such as Category:France and Category:Sports
  3. If there are sub-subcats off of those then they follow below their "parent", such as Category:Paris and Category:Baseball.
  4. If there are multiple categories on the "same level" then I resort to alphabetical (this can be in the case of US states.
  5. To illustrate for an article about a baseball match in Paris (farfetched, I know), I would list the cats as follows: Europe, France, Paris, Culture and entertainment, Sports, Baseball

--SVTCobra 23:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense, actually that was what I thought you were doing when I took a second look at the categories after you reorganized it. (Btw, no need to crosspost). Cirt - (talk) 04:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


I thought by adding t1 into the template, so it displayed as {{editprotected}}, would remove it. Why, then, do our talk pages not also show up in the list? Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 01:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that explains it. You are adding t1 (letter "T" number "1") when the proper notation is tl (letter "T" letter "L"). However, I would still just remove the template altogether since the text and the date stamps explain everything. --SVTCobra 01:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah, ok. In future I will just take it out altogether. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 01:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


Sure thing. I'm just used to the Wikipedia citing, and have to review all of Wikinews' policies. Thanks though, Happyme22 - (talk) 02:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Just one question, regarding the Former first lady Nancy Reagan endorses McCain article: the event, according to all media sources, occured on Tuesday, March 25. Yet the event occured on March 26, according to the Wikimedia foundation server (I don't know the actual name of it - a clock is shown here). Since it happened in the US, at about 7 PM that is tenchnically March 25, correct? and should be written - and everything updated - as so. A response would be appreciated. Thanks, Happyme22 - (talk) 06:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Since Wikinews is for people from all over the world, we have been using UTC to determine when the date changes to the next. Also, when the events occurred and when the sources published matters not, the date should correspond to when Wikinews publishes. --SVTCobra 10:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so it would be Wednesday the 26th. Thanks for all your help! Happyme22 - (talk) 17:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, but I have just one more question: How do we get the Former first lady Nancy Reagan endorses McCain article onto the {{2008 US Presidential Election}} template? Happyme22 - (talk) 07:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

That happens automatically, no need to do any thing. If you don't see it on the template page itself, just do a hard refresh. --SVTCobra 13:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Happyme22 - (talk) 16:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Wikinews Shorts: March 26, 2008

Responded to your comments there. Thanks for your advice.--Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 20:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


When fair use images are required to be low resolution, this means that the size of the image rather than the file size. Adambro - (talk) 21:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I have now included the pixel size in both rationales. --SVTCobra 22:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I think it is acceptable simply to confirm in the rationale that you have considered the resolution and conclude that it is of low resolution. I can't recall where but I seem to recall seeing "low resolution" described as less than 1MP (the product of the width and height) but I can't remember where I saw this definition although it probably serves as a useful guide. Adambro - (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, I will keep that in mind for future reference. For now, I will assume that "extra" information is not a "bad thing". --SVTCobra 02:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Uwe Flade

No problem ;-). Thanks for adding the screenshots to illustrate it. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 22:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


Sorry about that - you were correct, and the article works fine without that source. Cirt - (talk) 10:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Again, my apologies, the article looks good without that source and accompanying info. Cirt - (talk) 02:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry for not responding to your first message. I did not mean to snub you if that is how you perceived it. I figured that since you reverted yourself, all was well. If a response was common courtesy, I apologize for being socially inept. --SVTCobra 02:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, no worries, but thanks for the response. Cirt - (talk) 02:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

--SVTCobra 04:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Your comments

I'm a bit concerned to see a few words you wrote today.

In no instance, did I find JustaHulk to be harassing anybody as was alleged. In fact, I am concerned that this may look like a concerted effort to silence certain voices.

Just for the record, I don't edit Scientology topics. Over at en:Wikipedia I was doing a lot of volunteer work in dispute resolution and community sanctions. I tried to help work out a problem and wound up taking it to arbitration when it couldn't be resolved at the community level. Some of the participants had started making accusations about me so I named myself as a party to the case so that they could present evidence me. None did.

I had no bias regarding Scientology. What I saw was a group of editors who were trying to resolve one PR problem in an inexperienced manner that put themselves and their religion at risk for a bigger problem. Checkuser had confirmed that several accounts were editing from the same official Church of Scientology server, and there were other issues.

While I tried to explain conflict of interest and public edit histories, and steer them toward better practices, all these people seemed to perceive was that I was an authority figure who was telling them no. By the end of the arbitration case the WikiScanner came out and part of the PR problem I had been trying to warn them about actually happened: their unlogged edits became actual real world headlines.

The hope in that situation is that they'd say Gee, this lady knows what she's talking about. She keeps offering to help us; let's take her up on that. Human nature doesn't always work that way. JustaHulk's conduct steadily declined to the point where contributed little other than snipes at Cirt. I'd love it if we had Scientologist editors writing featured articles that focused on the positive aspects of their religion and its membership. And I hold no grudges: I've given barnstars to editors who've made good returns after sitebans. Durova - (talk) 02:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for reading my comment. I had hoped that my preface would have qualified my so-called findings as pertinent to Wikinews only. It was under these auspices that I made my comment. In fact, I deliberatly tried to ignore your additions to the WN:AAA discussion, as you mainly brought up Wikipedia issues and I stated up front that I wouldn't consider activities on Wikipedia.
Nevertheless, I am not a robot, and I have read your comments. However, in this case there are no allegations of sockpuppetry. So I am left to wonder what you want me to do after reading the above ... Do you want me to say that JustaHulk is currently harassing other users, what is the evidence? Do you want me to say that JustaHulk is engaged in sockpuppetry on Wikinews? There are no other accounts making the same edits here!
I just don't see any grounds for any action here. I do apologize if you feel that slighted you, but why did you show up here for this? I don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to notice that the last time you were here, you said "Hi, Cirt has asked me to offer feedback on this page." This seems to show a personal link.
That time you weighed in on WN:COI which certainly could be at issue here, given JustaHulk's admitted position as "volunteer minister" in good standing with CoS. You do seem to have some valuable expertise in this subject. JustaHulk's COI has been known to the Wikinews community for some time (well at least to me) and I don't see how it could have escaped others. As a contrast, some editors have, in less formal settings, disclosed their dislike of Scientology. A few have done so in very strong terms. Should they, too, be banned or blocked?
I am guessing, but I think you are here because we can't handle the problem ourselves. Or at least that will be your official position. Cheers,--SVTCobra 04:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Ouch...excuse me while I put on Calomine lotion to relieve the sting of that comment. Is there a way to show you I'm on the up and up? Durova - (talk) 07:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I strongly disagree with the opening quoted comment in this discussion. If calling someone a "Prolific POV pusher" as your first edit here isn't harassment, then what is it? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

You know what? I wasn't going to say this but I'll take a chance and try. SVTCobra, I suppose the same depth of research would lead you to conclude the following:

  1. I gave a fellow a barnstar after he was article banned at arbitration.[2][3] That would mean I'm his partisan, right?
  2. Over on Commons I'm helping an editor who's been banned from en:Wikipedia.[4][5] He's also the subject of a biography and I've filed a noticeboard request to do something that would make the bio look better.[6] That would mean I'm his partisan, right?
  3. Here's another guy - different case entirely - who uploaded pictures to Commons while he was banned from Wikipedia.[7] I placed one of those shots into an en:Wikipedia article during his ban[8][9] and now that the ban is over I collaborate with him.[10] I must really be gung-ho for this guy, right?
  4. And over here, an evolutionist is at arbitration and I present evidence of coordinated manipulation by intelligent design advocates.[11] Must mean I'm an evolutionist too, right?


  1. Most of my evidence at arbitration had been against the first fellow.[12]
  2. I supported the siteban on the second one.[13]
  3. Third one? I proposed a harsher siteban than he actually got.[14]
  4. Fourth case? Yes, I am an evolutionist. That's something I had already disclosed two years earlier at a different arbitration where I was the sole defender of a young earth creationist.[15]

I'll tell you how I work with Cirt: he's helping me with a featured portal drive at the textile arts project. He's also become my assistant at the triple crown awards.

It really stings to see you insinuate that I'm a partisan with a hidden agenda. How you guys run your project is your business, but don't impugn my character. Durova - (talk) 17:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I certainly did not mean to falsely assail your character through insinuation. At the same time, it seems true be that you didn't just happen by Wikinews and notice harassment and make the complaint at WN:AAA purely out of the goodness of your own heart.
As your numbered examples (above) show, you seem to feel that an editor can make mistakes, even ones that merit a ban, while still doing worthwhile work on another project. That only makes me wonder, what did JustaHulk do here at Wikinews that merits a ban or other administrative action? Please keep in mind that I consider the issues discussed in January to have been closed already. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
A couple of people have been poking at me for a while to do real writing at Wikinews, and it's never pleasant to deal with people who go from project to project only because they're migrating disputes. So this is as apt a time as any to contribute some content; I've started 3 new articles:
When someone was harassing David Shankbone across 3 different Wikiprojects I reported the problem here. From my perspective the JustaHulk report was in the same vein: I doubt very much it was accidental that the fellow followed Cirt over here and caused an edit war hours after his second block in the same month. In the 10 months I've known these editors I've seen Cirt's conduct and work steadily improve while JustaHulk's steadily declined. The outreach techniques that worked with those other people never got through to him. I hope you fare better. Suggest you watch the signal to noise ratio and keep an eye out for oblique long term sniping. Durova - (talk) 20:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I am thrilled to see that you have begun writing articles on Wikinews. I particularly liked Media reports exaggerate cell phone cancer risk because it — relying on largely the same sources — drew important conclusions that were reported in very few (if any) other places.
I would also like to apologize for the general tone that I have taken here, but I do still stand by what I said on WN:AAA. I guess, I felt like you were attacking me by posting here on my talk page instead of in the thread. So, I got pretty defensive (and the best defense ...)
But I don't want to continue to snipe with you or anyone else. --SVTCobra 01:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much. No hard feelings, I hope? You and Cirt and I seem to be the only people active right now; would you mind having a look at my latest draft article? California offers rebates for alternative fuel vehicles.

I'd like to get in touch with at least one accredited reporter about potential interviews. There was a different story that ran last night I had serious doubts about, but it would have been needed an oncologist to go on record before it would really be publishable. Scores of news sources were running headlines about how fasting for two days can make chemotherapy more effective, which certainly sounds exciting! Problem is, it's much too premature to be giving the public advice. According to the reports, this has only been tried on mice and only been tested on brain tumors, and apparently the results haven't even been duplicated yet. A lot of things that seem promising at that early stage never actually pan out. If I can get to these things quickly enough I'd love to do more critical stories. Durova - (talk) 00:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No hard feelings at all. I don't hold grudges (or so I think). I have given the Cali-energy story a once-over copy-edit, though I have yet to read the sources. But I must claim ignorance about the other story about chemo-treatment that needs an interview. We do have Wikinews:Request an interview as a way to request an interview, though usually this if for people who think themselves worthy of an interview, and not for an editor to request an Accredited Reporter to go seek an interview. At short notice, and without anyone I can think of to conduct these interviews (I am not accredited myself), perhaps a post at Wikinews:Water cooler/assistance could garner some attention. --SVTCobra 00:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I guess for now I'll concentrate on simple stories that don't require outside interviews. Still getting my toes wet. Best regards, Durova - (talk) 00:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

News briefs

Wikinews Shorts, February 12, 2008

I request that Wikinews Shorts: February 12, 2008 be archived, instead of deleted. The fact that the election was extended in Maryland because of weather, but not in Virginia, was notable, and the weather being the way that it is, something similar might happen in the future. Also, it being related to an election (unlike other material normally covered in brief) makes it worthy of archiving instead of deletion. 03:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, while development of this article was substantial, it never got published. Since the needed improvements were not made, someone tagged it abandoned and I deleted it after the two-day warning for abandoned articles. It would be against Wikinews policy to "resurrect" this article and publish it as news from Feb 12. In fact, it would corrupt our archive, which seeks to capture the news as it was on any given date, and by that I mean what news we had available for our readers (not necessarily that which could be found elsewhere). If we had more contributors, I am sure that your article would have gotten improved to the point where it could have gotten published in a timely fashion. I don't mean to discourage you, but rather encourage you. We need more people and I hope you join us. --SVTCobra 23:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, maybe I should have checked back to see its status during the 48-hour window. (I could possibly dig up newer information, but I suspect that something to the effect that "Maryland certifies primary election results" or "Virginia certifies primary election results" would not be new news.) By the way, did I write the newsbrief under this IP address ( or a different one? Thanks. 18:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Same IP ... but if you create an account you won't have to worry about that. --SVTCobra 18:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

April 2, 2008

Regarding the April 1 AMBER alert in Maryland: the boys have been found; a relative drove them to a police station, and according to the Baltimore Sun, the boys knew their alleged kidnapers. It is now said that a woman may have been raped during the incident.

I have rewritten and substantially shortened the article, changed its date to April 6, and dumped it back into {{ready}} status. (If I were to leave the article alone, then people might still be on the lookout for the vehicle with the 04350D license tags, so I thought that re-writing the article would be better than leaving it alone and starting a new one.) 23:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

No, that is not the way to do it. Do not change old articles, instead write a new one with the latests information ... please see WN:NOT about how Wikinews stories are not works-in-progress. --SVTCobra 14:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Welcome Back

Thanks muchly. I just became very busy last year with school, etc. and had a few...issues. Glad to be back. Dark_Squall - (talk) 16:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Organizing categories

I have been using the structure that you explained to me above, which seems to work pretty well - why don't you create this as a page on Wikinews somewhere, so that new editors can see a system about organizing categories? Perhaps as a subsection of Wikinews:Categories and topic pages - or even a restructuring of that page? Cirt - (talk) 22:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I should, but it will have to be introduced so that others can weigh in and approve/disapprove. I guess, I can say I will do this, but it is not on my front burner. --SVTCobra 01:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Two arrests after 'murder' in Bristol, United Kingdom

Responded to your comments at Talk:Two arrests after 'murder' in Bristol, United Kingdom. PLease take a look. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 16:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the coment on my talk page. I might not ask however, as, the probable vandal hasn't started making aany real edits yet. By the way, dod you see the response to your comment on the Debatepedia article. Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 17:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


Good work on the archiving --A101 - (talk) 14:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I, Anonymous101, hereby award SVTCobra the Wikinews Trophy for excellent work on archiving articles.

The Associated Press

Referred to as both "The Associated Press" and "Associated Press" at their website. The latter might be more appropriate - but as Wikipedia founder embroiled in affair and financial allegations at the time of publish had the former version, can we keep it that way in the archived version? Cirt - (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I will look at this in a couple of hours.--SVTCobra 19:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
There are certainly instances of AP referring to itself as "The Associated Press", however, I overwhelmingly choose to go with the way that Wikipedia has titled their articles to avoid redirects. For example, it is The New York Times but Los Angeles Times. I also use this as my guide for proper names with multiple spellings, such as Usama bin Laden vs. Osama bin Laden. Also, I do not agree that it is a material change that should be preserved because it is the way it was at the time it was published.
WN:ARCHIVE says "After an article has been protected, it should no longer be edited on elements of content, sources, or other substance. It should be edited for non-content issues (such as spelling, typos, punctuation and so forth) on a case-by-case basis."
I do not think that this is an element of content or substance, but rather a non-content issue. If you feel strongly about this, feel free to seek vetting from other admins. Brian McNeil is a good one to ask. He pretty much wrote the policy in its current form. --SVTCobra 21:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
No, I don't need to seek other opinions - the way you explained WN:ARCHIVE makes perfect sense. LOL - w:Associated Press is the title of the article at Wikipedia, but the first three words are The Associated Press - oh well. Cirt - (talk) 21:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

401 children from Texas sect compound taken into custody

A reply has been posted to your most recent comment at Talk:401 children from Texas sect compound taken into custody. -- 22:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Group of Seven concludes Washington meeting

Nice work. Interesting times for the markets. Cirt - (talk) 15:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I am going to make a pretty substantial correction to that story, I am beginning to think that there were more than one meeting. Oh and generally I don't add attribution to images that don't require it per the license. Those two are PD. --SVTCobra 20:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Eh, either way, in general I try to add attribution to all images, credits can't hurt really, can only help give extra info - but you are right it isn't required with public domain stuff - which is credited on those images' pages at WikiCommons anyway. Also thanks for your archiving work lately. Cirt - (talk) 04:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Haha, yeah. I went to bed last night, and then in the short 15-20 minutes I had before I left for work and saw... oh... somebody started a new article, checked it and noticed that it looked more complete then mine, of course, I didn't have time to notice the differences between yours and mine or the mistake. But it was more thought out then mine. --TUFKAAP - (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it all worked out by the end of the "publishing" day. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Edit protected

I've clarified the situation on Wikinews talk:Commentary pages on news events/intro. If you want to see what I mean, go to a random article, click on "Have your say", then click on "its normal Talk page" in the intro box and see where you end up. Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 04:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


Old stuff doesn't get archived somewhere, just deleted? Cirt - (talk) 04:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Police given seven days to question suspected terrorist arrested in Bristol, United Kingdom

I think there is definately enough info for the new article. The BBC and the Bristol Evening POst have published two new articles. --A101 - (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that it would be inaapropiate to add two major developments -

  • the naming of the suspect
  • the 7 day detention of the suspect

to the new article as it has been published for (about) 10 hours. IMO we should report the news at the time of the publication not the news 10 hours later. Please respond soon so the article can be published/merged.

Thanks ,

A101 - (talk) 17:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look at the article now and see if the text is ready for pub. All but the final two paragraphs contain new info that was not available until vey revently. (Please note that I am aware that it needs wikilinks and cats - I am about to add them) --A101 - (talk) 18:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks great. Thanks. --SVTCobra 18:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Halema`uma`u crater erupts

I've been there myself and myself took all the images. May I please ask you what other sourses you are looking for?Thank you.--Mbz1 - (talk) 03:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

May I please ask you, if this name "Halema`uma`u crater erupts explosively and vents deadly gases at Kilaue volcano, the Big Island of Hawaii, USA" is OK? How could I rename the article? Thank you.--Mbz1 - (talk) 05:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I renamed it. For future reference, you should see a "rename" tab at the top of pages (though it may take a few days after you first create your account). --SVTCobra 11:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
"News in Pictures", who want to do this update? it's better updated by your suggestion. Brock contact... 08:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I picked one of Mbz1's photos and added it. --SVTCobra 00:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

security during the Papal visit to USA

I think an article about security during the Papal visit to USA would be interesting. Would you like to create it as you did to other events of the pope's visit. -- 20:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it would interesting. But I barely had time to write the last one Pope concludes visit to US with Mass at Yankee Stadium‎.--SVTCobra 16:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I wonder

Hi, SVTCobra,
May I please ask you, if the last "opinion" from that page could be deleted and the user blocked, or you do nothing in such situations? Thank you.--Mbz1 - (talk) 03:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

  Done: Usually things like that, especially of that magnitude, get reverted. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Block

Perhaps, because it's been used by a vandal previously. It's a just a test and a precaution, since the guy's been using this pervivously.. it appears he must have broadband or similar service since his IP has been static, so what's to prevent him from switching to another IP by editing his DNS settings. Plus, It's only a week not three months. Hardly that bad compared the other blocks.

Seeing as how persistent this vandal/troll IP has been, I feel it's a necessary precaution and prevents him from disrupting and harassing another user, maybe it should have been slightly less, because it was only used for two harassing/threat edits, but we'll see at week's end.

Flooding Request Boards?

SVTCobra why are u threatening me so much lately? -- 12:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

That's not a threat, it's practical advice.--SVTCobra 12:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Some people may not want to write an article. If they choose to give us helpful suggestions insted I cinsider that a good thing.--A101 - (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I'am ignoring SVTCobra's remarks and will be following a101's contributions. i hope you can understand cobra. -- 17:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Unless you threaten me with a block i will continue to help wikinews with suggusted articles in requestings a101 has helped out greatly fully due to not many wikinews reporters thank you all for understanding. -- 17:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Please leave me alone ... I was trying to help you avoid wasting your time ... but I can see you like to waste your time ... so please, don't waste any more of mine. And why would I threaten you with a block? Why do keep suggesting that I threaten you? I was only try to help you! --SVTCobra 18:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Your telling me to go away? you mean leave wikinews forever ... i aint bitting for this prank -- 18:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Probably best if you two just leave each other alone. (talk · contribs)'s contributions seem to be positive. WN:RA will clear out at some point if some of the suggestions are not acted upon. Let's everyone take a breather and a break here please. Cirt - (talk) 18:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC), I am telling you stop wasting my time by posting messages on my talk page. --SVTCobra 18:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
  • This anon is accusing me of threats when all I did was offer better ways to contribute to Wikinews. I let it go, when A101 seemed happy to gather the bits and pieces into Wikinews Shorts. But just had to come back to my talk page and allege threats that were never made. Bizarre if you ask me. --SVTCobra 23:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree that that does sound bizarre, but sometimes new users perceive actions as threatening or patronizing when they are not meant to be. That's why we should all (at least try) to be extra careful/civil, in order to cultivate and encourage new users and contributors/article writers. Cirt - (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

An Apology

It was my fault to accuse you of anything... -- 07:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I do object. The IP added {{test}} to my talk page not once, but twice. The IP also changed the {{develop}} tag on an article to {{publish}} not once but twice, and also removed a warning from his talk page not once but twice. Clearly a disruptive troll. Cirt - (talk) 21:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Please also note that the unblock request was already denied by another administrator. Cirt - (talk) 21:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


wah? —Preceding unsigned comment added by U.S.A. GTA SYSTEM (talkcontribs) 00:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

huh? --SVTCobra 00:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

wah stands for what about here at shorts? --U.S.A. GTA SYSTEM - (talk) 00:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Shorts would be a great idea. Click this link:,_2008&action=edit&preload=Template:New_Wikinews_Shorts to start a new day of shorts. Each should have two sources still. I gotta go. I will check in on how you did tomorrow. Cheers and good luck, --SVTCobra 00:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Eos Airlines

Thanks for pointing that out. Sorry, I had other stuff on my mind at the time. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 06:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikinews

I have proposed for a WikiProject Wiikinews. Would you like to join? Kingjeff - (talk) 01:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I like the project, but I know for a fact that Wikipedia does not accept Wikinews as a reliable source. But I wish you luck with the project ... and if you can think of any specific instance where I can be of help, feel free to ask. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

But Wikinews doesn't have to be a source itself. I think if Wikinews can be well sourced based on both Wikipedia's and Wikinews' sourcing requirements, then this can be a feasible project. Kingjeff - (talk) 01:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

This discussion, which includes statements from Jimbo, highlights some of these difficulties. See: I want to help. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that Wikinews can be used in every instance. But Wikinews can be used in certain articles like yearly/seasonal sports articles like this season's UEFA Champions League. Kingjeff - (talk) 02:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

In fact, a WikiProject of this nature can address when, where and how to use Wikinews in Wikipedia. Kingjeff - (talk) 02:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The Next Consortium of ITRI launches RoboScooter aiming for creativity and energy-efficiency

I saw you noticed this. This user BrockF5 (talk · contribs) churns out a lot of interesting material, but unfortunately most of it has some language problems which really impact readability. I have noticed similar major issues on a whole slew of older articles I had archived, did not want to flag those or change them as they were all much older than 7 days. Not sure what to do about this. Cirt - (talk) 06:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I feel bad now, I saw on his talk page that he's having trouble with English, and the articles are interesting and of a subject matter and location that's not heavily covered, after all. Perhaps there is some way we can get some copy-editors to team up and help out with the readability on these articles before they are published? Cirt - (talk) 06:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Livingstone/Boris article

Thanks. I have renamed for clarity. As noted on the talk pages, I have no other sources and by the time I have any, this will be old news.--Poetlister - (talk) 21:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I have already found one and expect to be adding it, as well as expanding the article, in a matter of minutes. --SVTCobra 21:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. It looks to me as if the other sources are just quoting mine and adding background, but if that's the Wikinews style I'll follow it in future!--Poetlister - (talk) 21:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again. I've learnt a lot from this and hope to make better contributions in future.--Poetlister - (talk) 12:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: MT duo & Robot Taiwan 2008: Vast opportunities for machinery industry

actually I meant to c/e...but when I realized what time it was, I had to run out to go to work...bad on my part...sorry. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Ukranian manufacturer preparing to sell Adolf Hitler dolls

The point of removing the BBC link is that it is broken, having a broken link is IMO unprofessional, even if part of the story was based off of it, the link still does not serve a purpose if its dead, but I can understand your thinking, IMO WIkinews needs an external linking policy to adress issues such as this. Since you object to the removal of it, I will be starting a discussion on Talk:Ukranian manufacturer preparing to sell Adolf Hitler dolls to discuss it and obtain some sort of consensus about it.--Ryan524 - (talk) 01:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I see your point maybe what would be best is to remove the link, but leave the text and add a note that BC has taken their story down.--Ryan524 - (talk) 01:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Well I think that if you are really that concerned with looks, what does it say when we clain to have a source that doesn't exist, someone could just as easily say we list false sources that don't ecist just to keep up appearences or something, we don't have to appologoze for the BC just say the BBC has chosen to remove their story. Just an explanation as to why the link is dead.--Ryan524 - (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a good compromise to me.--Ryan524 - (talk) 01:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Cyclone Nargis

Hi. I'm rather new to Wikinews, so I might still make mistakes in the style of updating. How would you normally update something like the update that I just made to the article, so I can update it correctly in the future? Is the source I added to the bottom in the right format, as I'm more used to Wikipedia-style refs? Thanks. AstroHurricane-007 - (talk) 17:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Myanmar criticised for hampering aid

Are you planning on completing this article. Id you are, great, if not, please tell me as I don't mind writing it. Thanks, User:Anonymous101 :) 15:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: al-Masri Story

Thought it would be good to add it to the previous story since the story was published just later in the day, though now I realize it was the next day UTC/Iraqi time. Is it conventional to create a new article if the story changes hours afterward or should it be added to the story if it is within the day where the story occurred? (Haven't been that active on Wikinews lately) Hello32020 - (talk) 03:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I think if you review the history of Leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq arrested, the answer should be obvious. The story had been static for over twelve hours. Also by the time you made your edits, which were after 11:00 UTC, it was the next day almost everywhere except Samoa. Cheers, --SVTCobra 18:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Archiving drive

Hi, I noticed you have archived a lot of articles. Please take a look at WN:AAA for info on a new archiving drive. Thanks, Anonymous101 :) 20:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


I missed that one. Some like this are better.Anonymous101 :) 20:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The one you corrected, is, to my knowledge, my only archive today, which i did not copyedit. Please correct me if I am wrong Anonymous101 :) 20:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

2007/08 Turkcell Super League: Galatasaray vs. Fenerbahçe

I can't see which of the SD criteria this falls under. As youu nominated it, would you mind explaining Anonymous101 :) 14:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that is not on WN:SDG but on the other hand, we cannot publish news that is this old, and I'd hate to have to go through and entire WN:DR everytime this happens. Perhaps, we need to add this as a valid reason for speedy, what do you think? --SVTCobra 14:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I think that it should be added to WN:SD as one of the criteria but as of now it doesn't so we can't sd it. Anonymous101 :) 15:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: A "heads-up" regarding Dottie Rambo dies in tour bus crash

Oh I know it does, I just never got to adding it when I was trying to get the article together, but its got it now.--Ryan524 (talk) 03:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Late Emir of Kuwait passes away

Thanks for your contribution with the article. --Aalsaleh (talk 17:59, 13 May 2008 (Whats UTC?)

You are welcome. --SVTCobra 22:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


I am, once again, putting myself up for Rfa. I would appriciate it if you could stop by My RFA and vote. Wheter support or oppose I would appriciate your vote to avoid another situation of having too few votes.-Ryan524 (talk) 23:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Date of publish

I had honestly not considered the date of archival, though the article was stable since May 5 when last edited by Chiacomo (talk · contribs). I hope you understand my comment was most certainly not intended as an insult to you. I apologize if it came across that way. Cirt (talk) 01:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Jokela images

Thanks for the heads-up. I have contacted the closing admin so I can get the exact images as they apeared on commons. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 06:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Adambro

Yeah, Cspurrier (talk · contribs) had closed and then archived it. Cirt (talk) 23:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible conflict of interest on California Supreme Court strikes down ban on gay marriage

My father's written a fair bit on marriage law (although his Wikipedia article apparently doesn't focus on that). Therefore, I want your opinion on whether the following paragraph is reasonable to include:

Edward Zelinsky, of Yeshiva University, whose work was cited in the brief of California's attorney general supporting the law characterized the court's opinion as "problematic in important respects." In particular, he criticized the court for failing explain adequately why its logic does not apply to other non-traditional forms of marriage such as polygamy.

Thanks. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Gee, that's pretty heavy, as I was just about to sign off. If you source the marterial properly, and perhaps disclose the relationship in the collaboration page, I don't think there is a particular problem with this. I will put it top of my list in the morning and will read the full article then. I would advise you to go ahead and publish, unless others object. --SVTCobra 01:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. That was close to my intuition on the matter (already noted on the collaboration page). JoshuaZ (talk) 01:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Predictable random number generator discovered in the Debian version of OpenSSL

I was happy because I thought that this article was simple enough to be understood by a non expert :)
The argument is specifically cross-related to cryptography and computer security. I wrote it in the hope that a computer expert (but not expert in cryptography) can understand the problem and viceversa (a cyrptography expert but not expert in computers).
A solution may be to split the article in 2 parts, the first for not-experts and the detail. The not-experts part will contain the paragraphs 1, 4 and 5. This may lead in a more confused article or to double some row of text. The last, but not less important, is that I don't write well english. Tomorrow I'll try to work with my trusted computer "unexpert" to explain obscure parts.
P.S.: the category Argentina was addes because Luciano Bello is Argentine and the bug was probably discovered in this country --Trek00 (talk) 03:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I hope to have fixed the article writing a simpler introduction and, if it is, I must thank you for your help. Ciao! --Trek00 (talk) 20:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Bulletin

Here is the latest Wikinews bulletin. Enjoy!

Issue X - May 17, 2008
Administrators and Accredidations
  • Since our last edition, Cirt (talk · contribs) has been given the mop and bucket, and Ryan524 (talk · contribs) (now retired) asked for adminship.
  • No one has became an accredited reporter on Wikinews. There are no requests you can currently vote or comment on, although there are lots of De-adminship Requests.
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[edit] Credit: Jon Davis
Strega crossing the finish line to win the Gold Unlimited class at the Reno Air Races 2009
Original reporting

Since our last edition, many articles have claimed original reporting. Here are the most recent:

Several others wrote stories based on television sources. The Wikinews Reports blog activity was mostly related to some of these stories. You can ask any of the blog authors if you want to help out on the blog.

Editor's note

In the last few months activity on Wikinews has continued to decrease to an incredibly low level. There are hardly any new contributers joining and one of our best users, DragonFire1024 (talk · contribs) has gone on Wikibreak. However, some excellent articles are continuing to be written. Anonymous101 :) 12:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Site activity
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Wikimedia News
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Anonymous101 :) 12:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

2007/08 European football season: Spots finalized for European stage

Can you help on working on the table? This is a massive table and a lot of people need to work on it. Kingjeff (talk) 01:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I am unsure of what kind work needs to be done. I do not follow European football closely. --SVTCobra 22:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


Yes, I'm willing to resume activity. Crimson (talk) 17:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Citations

I realize online source would be a better source since they can be easily checked at any time, however, at the time I originally posted no one other than CNN tv had the story. I searched high and low. No one had it. I check the Reuters feed, Bloomberg, Google News, etc. A large portion of my day is spent monitoring news sources (including tv), it's my job. Wikinews would have been the first to have the story online. Most news sources strive to scoop the competition in their media. If wikinews is just going to rehash news readily available everywhere else on the web, what is the point? Google news can do that for me. Drudge can do that for me. News is news. Why come to wikinews to get rehashed news when I can get it directly from another source? If I personally see an event should I have to wait until someone else sees it? No, in that case I should be cited as the source, which is what every other news service does. In this case, the other networks were saying "CNN is reporting that..." If it is acceptable for NBC, FOX, and CBS why is it not for wikinews?

I'm not being sarcastic, these are serious questions. When I found Wikinews, I thought it would be a great new news source to add to my normal list of sources.

--Lmusielak (talk) 04:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for being so polite in your comments with myself and other users. It is a rare quality and really appreciated. Cirt (talk) 23:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You are always cordial and proper, so I would not feel a need to act otherwise towards you. Further, this is hardly something you should thank me for, but rather, you should expect it. --SVTCobra 00:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
We should all expect it but unfortunately sometimes that is not always the case. Cirt (talk) 00:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


I fixed it, just a little oversight. I was trying to link it to the page about Fair Use on Wikipedia itself and not Wikinews policy. But I just changed it to point to our policy instead. ViperSnake151 (talk) 15:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


Actually, the MW template code now constitutes a nearly complete coding language; MW templates constitute programs.

I note you did not suggest these templates be presented at the watercooler prior to their implementation. Why then require such a discussion to prevent their implementation? - Amgine | t 17:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews is not distributing MediaWiki under the CC-by. That's a strawman argument. Use of a GPL software does not constitute relicensure.
As for the Watercooler, that's not the appropriate venue. Foundation-l would be. - Amgine | t 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Partially correct. I am interested in the images on Wikinews which are in use in articles should be preserved. The templates were transferred to Wikinews for the sole purpose of speed-deleting them. All images which were not freely licensed were tagged for speedy deletion.
I'm not opposed to the templates, per se, as they are a useful technology for Wikinews - if someone here is willing to maintain them. As you can no doubt tell from the template namespace, Wikinews does not tend to maintain template schema. What has proven to be maintained over time, even if only poorly, are systems which are developed here, which meet specific needs of this community.
If this schema is modified to the needs of Wikinews, including maintaining the integrity of WN archives and taking into account WN unique needs for fair use content, I have little opposition to the plan. I have reservations as to its lifespan, but not opposition. - Amgine | t 18:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


X performs at the TLA in Philadelphia Comments? Evrik (talk) 19:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Do you have a good example of what the note should look like? Evrik (talk) 17:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Main Page broken link

The 1st June redlink on the Main Page may be caused by this line that I saw in the source, just before the line which produces today's list of news stories:

{{Wikinews:{{#time:Y/F/j|+1 days}}}}

Seems either this +1 day template code on the Main Page should be removed, or else maybe Calendarbot could create Wikinews: pages a day later than usual. Hope this helps trace the prob. DL+1613 (talk) 02:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

"Editorial cleanup"

I respectfully request that you remove your notice [16]. The talk page is being used with the express purpose in mind of compiling potential sources for a future follow-up article. Nothing more, nothing less. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 14:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

A good suggestion, but I disagree and think that the article collaboration page is the perfect place for preparation of a follow-up article on a highly related topic. Also, your "editorial cleanup" message tag is generally not meant to be used on article talk pages, but rather on article pages as they are being developed to signify that they are not ready to be published. It is highly unusual to regulate what can and cannot be added to an article talk page, unless it is commentary or opinion and that belongs on the comments page. I am going to remove the "editorial cleanup" message. Cirt (talk) 16:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps, but it is a 7 word comment next to potential sources, no big deal. Cirt (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I still disagree. And the fact that you customized an article message template which is supposed to be used in article mainspace and not on talkpages says that this sort of thing is not really appropriate to tag talk pages with. You could have just raised the issue with me on my talk page as I was the only one adding the links - instead of drafting some obtrusive banner at the top of the talk page. We could have had this discussion before all that. Cirt (talk) 16:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

"wasn't looking to talk to you about it", that sounds sort of opposite to interaction and communication. If you knew what my reaction was going to be, all the more reason to discuss it first instead of taking the time to create an obtrusive and provocative talk page banner not suited for a talk page. Cirt (talk) 16:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
so you are saying ... since I knew you would disagree and revert if I talked to you, then I should have talked to you? Whatever ... you are making a mountain out of a mole-hill.--SVTCobra 23:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
LOL, I could say the same conversely. Cirt (talk) 23:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Anyways, yeah, let's all move on from this. I would like to get back to writing articles. Cirt (talk) 23:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, all kidding aside ... I haven't had time to write in a long time ... I am working on something right now though. --SVTCobra 00:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Awesome, me too. I am pleasantly surprised at the number of people active in Brian (talk · contribs)'s contest. Cirt (talk) 00:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Checking proxies

The tool you want is a decent port scanner, try this The default state for any reasonably well secured computer is nothing open, which was the result for the two IPs that were blocked. Obvious ports for proxies are 80, 8080, and a few others I can't remember. High numbers (above 32767) open ports frequently mean a compromised machine or a "stealth proxy" - it can be both when the machine has been compromised and a proxy installed.

If you find any open ports one of the first things to do is google up some free proxy lists and search them for the IP. Also, try using telnet to connect to the open ports and see what happens. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --SVTCobra 21:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


Right now I am absolutely disgusted with Wikipedia. I have no issues if anyone wants to do it. Kingjeff (talk) 01:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


What's OR if no article deals directly with it? Kingjeff (talk) 02:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

My archiving

A while back you stated an issue with my archiving, saying that I weren't editing an article enough per the archiving conventions. If possible, would you mind checking Mundine beats Green in super-middleweight WBA eliminator (which I just archived) and telling me what I need to improve with my archiving. Thanks, Anonymous101 :) 19:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Abandoning articles

Okay, will do in future. Cheers, Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: U.S. teens generally reducing risky behavior says CDC

Thanks for helping it get published, at least. I do admit that at times I have a more "sensationalist" than "neutral" writing style, which I'm actually trying to qualify in the (currently half-written) essay Wikinews:Foot heads arms body. I'm pretty sure that there's some essay on WP that talks about writing neutrally, but interestingly, and it's something that I think on Wikinews we should be striving for even more. Still, if I write the wacky titles and someone else pulls me back when I cross the line, we just might find the balance. Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 01:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


People who use US-English are in the minority globally. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

to what are you referring? --SVTCobra 14:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Elián González joins Communist youth group

You might as well check everything else I've wrote. I think these are 3 independent sources. Kingjeff (talk) 15:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I added a 4th independent source. Kingjeff (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It like I'm completely under attack. Kingjeff (talk) 15:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? --SVTCobra 15:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Cuba announces shift of farm management to local level and Cuba and Japan to play in WBC final where they are put into Central America. Kingjeff (talk) 15:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Just because the mistake has been made before does mean it should be repeated. --SVTCobra 15:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Good. This single source tag didn't make any sense though. Bloomberg wrote their own independent article. Our article said that this was AP claim just like the Bloomberg article. Kingjeff (talk) 01:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The first Bloomberg article had "AP says" right in their headline. That indicates that they were relying on AP. Bloomberg probably doesn't have the same requirements as Wikinews. Our policies are unique in some ways, including and perhaps especially WN:NPOV. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Holy Grail

The new holy grail theory published firstly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

This does not appear to be a new theory. It has been his assertion that it is in Saint Sophia Museum in Istanbul, Turkey since 2006. Even then it was based on the Shugborough Code. --SVTCobra 21:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the edit conflict

Its just that I like to splat anything I find on the talk page first, to then possibly work it in myself if I'm motivated. But I guess your version is more to the point in any case. Regards Sean Heron (talk) 22:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The edit conflict is not anybody's fault. When I got the conflict, I looked at who had made more changes and decided it was easier to restore some info from your version, than to redo mine, so that's why I overwrote yours. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

It was me having the edit conflicts this time :D.

I'm calling it a night, and just wanted to say that I quite enjoyed working on the Korea Article with you. Make sure to publish! [I would have done now, but I didn't want to interrupt you :) ]. Regards Sean Heron (talk) 21:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I will indeed. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


Can you have a look here nowŠibenik_-_2008. Is it ok? Tanks--Maitab (talk) 01:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC) Thanks for what you did... --Maitab (talk) 01:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

thanks and I will take note of the pointers

sir .. thank you too ... i will take note of the publish button to ensure it doesnt get out on the main at once. Im also learning a lot of the basics and thank you again ... i used to write here before and I do have an old username but forgot my name and pw .. will create another one ... i will try to become a regular here ... im enjoying condensing stories and i was in my element today ... kept my mind away from other maudlin stuff ... thanks again ... do you mind if i keep on writing, just leave it unpublished and could you look over for any errors? thanks! DeanMB from Manila —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Could you update BBC Outside Broadcasts to be sold to Satellite Information Services as per its talk page to point to BBC spends £3.4m on sell-off, thanks...Zir (talk) 13:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC) Ah, I see you've done it! Thanks...Zir (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom nom

Thanks for the nomination - I'll take "thought he was an admin" as a compliment, too. Just a warning, though - the last person to nominate me for something is now indef blocked on Wikipedia. Hopefully it's not a curse ... Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 02:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I hope so too ... I don't want to get banned ... Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Hah. Actually, he turned out to be the sock of a banned troll. You don't live under a bridge waiting for billy goats, do you? ;) Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 06:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the fixes I was very busy today and wanted to report the "Breaking News". The Event took place about 2 minutes from my house. I could see Bomb Squad and emergency vehicles from my house.

Thanks again--Mgjournalist (talk) 04:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


Actually, 'Central America' is not a continent, but (generally) a w:subregion of the w:North American continent in English. Mexico and Cuba are part of w:Latin America (in addition to w:South America), which makes more sense, and are sometimes included in a region known as Middle America (North America south of the US). And, in some senses, some of Mexico (namely east of the Isthmus of Tehuantepec) and occasionally all of it ARE included (see Fowler's Guide to Modern English Usage, here). Anyhow, It doesn't make sense to list two counties in two regions. And there's little need for section on 'Central America', a relatively small region, on its own and it should be rolled into North America. Otherwise, why not have 'w:Central Asia', 'w:Eastern Europe', and the like? 17:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, particularly in the US (but often not), w:Latin America IS often reckoned to include all of the Americas south of the US, including Belize, Aruba, etc. A clarifier can be 'Latin America and w:Caribbean', or 'Central America and Caribbean', etc.
Actually, no: I would advocate for more precision, or less, not a hodge-podge: keep the Middle East if other comparable regions as listed; it not, delist. Why is Central America given what can be construed as undue weight, when w:Western Europe or w:Eastern Asia are probably even more deserving of said grouping (if not already)? 17:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
OK: thanks. Sorry for any real or perceive disruption. 17:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk page discussions

Hi. Could I just remind you that spreading discussions over two pages has a number of disadvantages; it makes it harder for others to follow or participate and much more difficult to refer back to once discussions have disappeared into talk page archives etc. I'd therefore ask that you conduct discussions in one place. In the case of established users they should be expected to be watching your talk page if they leave you a comment so you should just reply there. With inexperienced or anonymous users who don't have watch lists I'd suggest responding on your talk page and then leaving a quick note on their talk page to notify them. Having said all this, I do recognise that in certain circumstances this approach might not be the most effective and so I appreciate that even if you do understand the issues I've explained you might not feel it appropriate to follow my suggestions so don't feel like I expect you to, I respect that you need to use your judgement. Adambro (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Can't I have quick back and forth with someone? If you were following our chat you'll note that I said that this should be brought up on the WN:WC. This user, while anonymous, clearly understood wikis and is not a newbie. Where do you suggest I post my reply to your message? What "central place" would be appropriate in case someone wants to follow our chat? --SVTCobra 18:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, since as I would have hoped you would have assumed, I am watching your talk page so you can reply to my comments here so I've moved your comments back here to maintain the discussion in one place. It does seem slightly pointy that you chose to reply on my talk page.
As I've said, apart in a few exceptional circumstances the most appropriate place to reply to a comment is where that comment is made. You can do as you wish though of course. You talk of "our" chat but whilst it is a discussion between you and me that doesn't mean that others won't have good reasons for wanting to be able to follow it. If I raise an issue with a user about something it is helpful to keep this in one place so that any other members of the community can easily understand what has been discussed to avoid repeating what others have said for example.
I'm trying to understand what advantages outweigh the disadvantages of this practice that I've suggested but am struggling to do so based upon your comments. Adambro (talk) 19:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

my edit

I add source. I didn't add anything to the article itself but just add source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


Why did you move my article to Sandbox? What it means? I'm new here and want to publish articles. but nowhere can't find in a simple form how to do it without troubles. I just published an article and expected to see it displayed on the "Moldova" section. Still now I don't see it there.

Second question: Where to write the article's title?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pharaon (talkcontribs) 02:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

car cost?

how much for that baby? --Crogan (talk) 11:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

She is probably worth $25,000, but alas, she is not for sale. --SVTCobra 14:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Storm Bertha, 2008

Yes, those categories, per Portal:Tropical cyclones should have been there to start, regardless of it's current status. terinjokes | Talk 14:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


{{hello}} Yes, you should join us on IRC sometime. Otherwise, it wouldn't seem all that funny. terinjokes | Talk 14:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

A barnstar for your hard work

I, Tomasz W. Kozłowski, hereby award you, SVTCobra, the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for your extremely hard work in fixing grammar in the articles I've started. Thanks a lot for your help and for your patience. I'll try to do my best to save you work. Best, --Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. And thanks for the barnstar. --SVTCobra 21:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

calling dr. death asap

my father is 76 and wrote this article sorry i was teaching him. -- 00:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

the tag really only means that the article needs to be improved. It needs more sources and needs to follow our style guide. It does not mean you did anything wrong. --SVTCobra 00:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
That's good to know i only have so much time on my computer due to my tiredness problem so hopefully this article might get spruced up a little bit who knows it was an attempt by my dad and me well thanks cobra. -- 00:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


i can't actcess it on ie7 so should i get firefox 3? -- 00:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Frankly speaking, I too have had problems with the web-based IRC. I suggest downloading a free IRC-client program and going to Wikinews channel afterwards. But I am probably the wrong person to ask about IRC. --SVTCobra 00:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

off topic when you going to bed cobra? how long you got left in ya? -- 00:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Not much more. Why? --SVTCobra 00:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
just asking because usually after you might leave no real progress might happen idk anyway if i dont hear from you g-nite. oh and thanks for the irc process. -- 00:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

US air strike killed dozens of civilians according to Afghan officials

I noticed that you changed the pub for one the sources from to The Guardian. As is the name of the website for the Guardian (as BBC News Online is for BBC News), I ask that you consider changing the pub back to If you feel that the pub should not be changed back, however, I will not change it. Anonymous101 (talk) 16:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Hm, I didn't even know they had an article for the website only. Feel free to change it. It looks ugly though, I long for the days when it was called Guardian Unlimited. Cheers,--SVTCobra 16:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Good point about it looking ugly. I'll just keep it as the Guardian, as that is still accurate. Anonymous101 (talk) 16:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

news ticker?

I have an idea for a news ticker. What do you think? too much trouble? -- 23:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

There was/is a ticker or at least one on a trial basis. I am not sure if it died, please see Wikinews:Ticker and Wikinews talk:Ticker. --SVTCobra 23:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Forces of Order found guilty of G8 brutality

See Talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

False earthquake edit conflict changes

Done. I reintegrated a few changes, but nothing serious. That ended up being twice as much work for both of us, but I think the final result is better than it would have been otherwise;). Thanks for taking the time to reintegrate my changes. Gopher65talk 00:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Bulletin delivery

Issue XI - May 17, 2008
Administrators, Accreditation and Arbitration
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  • No one has became an accredited reporter on Wikinews. There are currently no accreditation requests that you can vote on.
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Although the 34th G8 Summit had ended, the demonstration of anti-globalists exposed a critical issue on poverty, etc.  » Full story
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Since our last edition, many articles have claimed original reporting. Here are the most recent:

Several others wrote stories based on television sources. The Wikinews Reports blog activity was mostly related to some of these stories. You can ask any of the blog authors if you want to help out on the blog.

Editor's note

In the last few months activity on Wikinews has started to increase again, and discussion has restarted on the embargoed wiki. Anonymous101 (talk) 11:50, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Site activity
  • Wikinews supports the universal edit button firefox extention
  • Move Wikinews:Story preperation into its own namespace (prepared:)?
  • New rss feed extension prosed to be installed (see WC + Mailing list)
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  • Discussion about flagged revisions is ongoing and in many places. This could be the biggest change to the Wikinews method since we abandoned the original article review system
  • Brian proposes a new contest, and challenges everyone to get involved, donate something, or join!
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  • Zach's new tool: Per category rss feed. Do a hard refresh, goto a category and click on the rss icon in your browser. (Now linked from most portals and categories via templates)
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I just created an article at and I was wondering what edits need to be made before it as added to the list of articles on the Main Page.

Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome message. The links were very helpful. 17:46, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


Way to misspell Tennessee. Just kidding, no worries I corrected it. [17], The Mind's Eye (talk) 17:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Glasgow East POV

I do not understand your edits on this news article.

For a start, it was a surprise, and one admitted by both sides. By removing this, you remove most of the initial interest - there is no interest in a party winning a by-election. There is when it is a) unexpected, and b) removes a solidly entrenched party. A newspaper would not do this for example.

I also don't understand your motivation in removing the fact that it had been held by the other party since 1922.

--MacRusgail (talk) 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

A) You had not used the word surprise but rather "shock" or "shocking"; B) none of the sources had any language like this; C) 1922 was not mentioned in any of the sources and D) what does "some shape or form" mean? --SVTCobra 09:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


On Dragon Fire's talk page i left a message, since he hasn't responded could you do it for me. Thanks, The Mind's Eye (talk) 14:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I do not necessarily agree that the redirects should be removed. The article titles were all used while published (even the ones with typos) and could have been mirrored by other websites. If we delete the redirects we could break their links to our story. Cheers, --SVTCobra 15:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC) P.S. next time, please provide a link to what you are talking about so that I don't have to search through your edit history.
I understand your point and apologize for not providing links. Sorry. The Mind's Eye (talk) 15:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh come now

The article wasn't written yesterday I was rescueing a abadoned article. Check the history. The Mind's Eye (talk) 22:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate you doing that. The Mind's Eye (talk) 22:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


How do you get one of those barnstar thingy's? The Mind's Eye (talk) 16:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

People generally just give them out if they feel someone is deserving of one. There is no set critera. --SVTCobra 16:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ted Stevens report

Just wondering about the capitalization of Veco in the Alaska senator Ted Stevens indicted in corruption scandal report. The Associated Press stylebook recommends lowercasing corporate names that are in all caps unless there is a specific justification (acronym, initialism, etc.). As I recall, Veco's name was capitalized for effect. Bloomberg, for example, only capitalizes the first letter. But it does vary. Wikipedia, for example, has the name fully capitalized. I only ask, because right now both ways are used in the report, and I'd like to standardize it one way or the other. (I prefer "Veco," as it is more readable, imo.) Take care!   user:j    talk   18:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we should be consistent. I went with the Wikipedia format based on the assumption that they went and checked what is right. This press release indicates all caps, but I can't say if it is for effect. Based on other oil company names, they usually originate with an acronym. Cheers, --SVTCobra 18:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Trust the DoJ? Interesting.  ;) But, for example, the satellite radio wants its name printed SIRIUS, meanwhile you'll find it usually as Sirius.   user:j    talk   04:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip. —Calebrw (talk) 21:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC) PS: Could you do a publish review for K2 death toll rises to elevenCalebrw (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

  Done --SVTCobra 21:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the second tip. —Calebrw (talk) 01:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip about italics. Appreciated. —Calebrw (talk) 16:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


If you have not already seen this, please look, comment, and vote both here and on bugzilla. Further assistance such as contact information for Google would be a very useful detail to share and help in petitioning for a listing in their news index. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

What to do with these articles?

I moved them to today's briefs as they weren't going to get bigger and I didn't want to add to them personally.

Should they be deleted or soft redirected? —Calebrw (talk) 16:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

You did a great job gathering these in Shorts. I think the redirects are fine as they are. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews:Flagged revisions

A nice start. Great initiative for starting the page. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 00:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


Could you please review McCain ad questions Obama's benefit to families for me. Thanks, —Calebrw (talk) 01:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I am done for tonite. --SVTCobra 01:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Pakistan's Musharraf will resign within days say reports

Thanks, but

Thanks, but I'm not ShakataGaNai. —Calebrw (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

D'oh! I am sorry. I was giving you both the award and messed up. Sorry. --SVTCobra 23:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
/me snickers at SVT --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 23:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Apology accepted and thanks. —Calebrw (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit Conflict

Sorry about the Founder and CEO of Rockmount Ranchwear Jack Weil dies at age 107 edit conflict. The Mind's Eye (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Edit conflicts are expected when dealing with news. That's not to say that they can't be frustrating. However, I don't think a had one on this article, and I was surprised because each time I made an edit, something else had 'magically' been added. Most surprising was when I thought I published the article, only to see that it had already been done. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
No i added peer review and then someone, i thought it was u, added the pub temp the article. The Mind's Eye (talk) 02:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I think it was UnknownMan. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh thanks for the clarification. The Mind's Eye (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


Talk:Wikinews Shorts: August 15, 2008, I responded. The Mind's Eye (talk) 23:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Different topic, but on Yushchenko sworn in, would you remove the uneccessary page break at the top as well as moving the pic down beloew the date. Thanks, The Mind's Eye (talk) 01:14, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


The story you prepared i worked on this morning. Gopher reviewed and published. The Mind's Eye (talk) 15:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, --SVTCobra 17:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Pakistan's governing coalition breaks apart

Talk:Pakistan's governing coalition breaks apart. Updated. Needs some more work though. —Calebrw (talk) 18:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I did some work and submitted for a new review. --SVTCobra 23:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for working on World Bank says more people are poor, but fewer are in extreme poverty and Pakistan's governing coalition breaks apart. I just started here a few days ago, so I'm still trying to get a feel for what's considered to be acceptable writing here. Thanks for the changes you have made to the articles, it gives a good feel for what's required. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 00:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I noticed you were new, so that's why I used really long explanations in the edit summaries, in the hope you would see why I changed what I did. At least that was the case in the World Bank story. On the other story, efforts were far more collaborative. Cheers, hope to see more articles from you. --SVTCobra 01:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Arctic waters new article title

I have tried a new title Talk:The new Arctic, open uncharted waters. International interest and Canadian investments. "-) SriMesh | talk 03:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well now, another title, Ramifications of Arctic ice melting. International icebreakers collect geological data and conduct climate research. Is this better? SriMesh | talk 02:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


I am not sure how that works, actually. But possibly. I'm sure they'll be able to figure out what the change was. :P - Cirt (talk) 22:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


If you haave time, would you mind reviewing Italy pays Libya US$ five billion as compensation for occupation. Thanks, Anonymous101talk 20:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

ShakataGaNai just told me on IRC that he was reviewing it. Sorry if I wasted your time by making you review it. Anonymous101talk 20:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I will say that too much of the article is focused on UK/Nigeria, which seems to be that one of the two sources was a Nigerian local paper. This issue could have consequences for dozens (if not more) previously colonised or occupied countries. --SVTCobra 20:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Questions raised about McCain's choice of Palin, aides insist "thorough vetting" process

I'm working on re-writing the article. I don't think I understand, though. Isn't that why we list the sources? I tried to make a mixture of all the sources, but obviously it didn't pan out that way. I don't mean to infringe on copyrights at all, this was a mistake. '''[[User:Conman33|''<font color="#b20032">conman33</font>]]<small> ([[User talk:Conman33|. . .talk (WP)]])</small>''' (talk) 20:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I just got done working on it some more, hopefully I re-worked it well enough to finally get published with no harm. Again, I didn't mean to do that at all, my apologies. conman33 20:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

US Open: Federer Creates History

US Open: Federer Creates History appears to be copyvio. Just thought I'd let you know. —Calebrw (talk) 17:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool, good job. I searched for the text but Google must not have indexed it at the time. By the way, it is best to remove the text from these copyvios. Just because we put a tag on it doesn't help if we are still hosting the copyright violation for all to see. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I forgot. I came back to delete and you already had. —Calebrw (talk) 18:00, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Bob Barr article review

SVTCobra, I wrote an article tonight on Bob Barr, a third party candidate for U.S. president. I believe it's ready to be published. Please review it when you can. Thanks.

Link: Controversy spreads over 'Snubgate'

--WNewsReporter (talk) 02:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I see this has been published already. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Despite threats, "Alaska Women Reject Palin" rally held

Please review Despite threats, "Alaska Women Reject Palin" rally held. Thanks, —Calebrw (talk) 04:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I see this has been published already. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Libertarian National Committee motion to chastise Ron Paul for not endorsing presidential nominee Bob Barr released

Could you do a peer review for the article above? Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 01:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

NPOV concerns

I've responded to your NPOV concerns on the collab page of the article. Could you please respond to my concern raised there? - Amgine | t 03:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I've disputed your justification on the collab page of the article, and welcome your response. - Amgine | t 18:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Didn't you *just* use the argument of archival integrity? - Amgine | t 03:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if you mean our chat at Talk:Clearing the air: Positions of Canadian parties vis-à-vis the environment. To what are you refering? Did I somehow violate what I said. In the brief time span I envision you mentioning, are you referring to the replacement of the WTO logo? If so, I think it fair to say that the only difference is that the new image is of higher resolution. All aspects, including size where meant to be kept the same. --SVTCobra 03:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Undeletion request

A few months ago you explained that an article that I wrote earlier got deleted because I failed to improve the article in response to the reviewer comments. Would it be possible to post the reviewer comments in my userspace, so I can learn from them? Thanks. 13:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

That goes back more than six months, but from what I can see the article to which you linked was deleted primarily because the news item was not current. At that time we did not use the reviews as now, and there appears to have been no collaboration page. I hope that helps. Cheers, --SVTCobra 21:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the mail. I am wondering if you can also please undelete my most recent stub for a few days, just to see if anybody else is willing to pick up where I left off. If you undelete it and nobody touches it for another 5 days, then okay to redelete it. (In the meantime I found something more interesting to work on.) Thank you. 17:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
While this is much more recent, it is far too old to be considered news anymore. Sorry, --SVTCobra 01:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Nebraska teacher sentenced to 6 years for sex with student

If you have a minute could you take a look? I think I've dealt with most of the serious SG issues. JoshuaZ (talk) 01:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


Hello again — I've just noticed that earlier in the year, someone created this cat — so sometime might it be possible to add the following articles. They're all old and locked, so can't add the cat to them myself — Many thanks from...Zir (talk) 10:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks like Skenmy got these already. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I'm not sure what criteria you use to promote things to lead article, but Template:Popular_articles shows the bit about the rap music fan and Beethoven is getting more than twice as much traffic as the second most popular article. Not quite as important as the presidential race, I'll agree...but people seem to like it. Durova (talk) 22:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. I made it lead 4. A bit more lighthearted story was overdue. BTW, it wasn't my idea to protect the leads. --SVTCobra 22:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
No worries. I wouldn't think it appropriate to promote my own article. With most of the news this month, people need a laugh. Thanks very much. :) Durova (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

audio box

I think i fixed the issue. Does it work as it should now? Bawolff 00:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


You realize, of course, the style guide says no such thing, right? - Amgine | t 01:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I was wrong. Sorry. - Amgine | t 01:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
No worries. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


So, all stewards have global rollback? Cirt (talk) 00:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Archives and barnstar

Hey, thanks for the barnstar!! Nice to be appreciated for flooding the RC page :p Still a long way to go though, got another 9000 pages to check for typos alone, then got to do a general clean up run. :) Anyways happy editing and thanks again.--MarkTalk to me 00:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Hi Cobra, noticed you're active. Would you like to hop on Skype in a few hours, chat about WN, and write an article with us? Durova (talk) 18:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit this

Thank you for fixing that, I had not noticed it but I'll be more careful in the future. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 00:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries. --SVTCobra 00:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


thanks for fixing it.. Publishing it now I hope :) cheers. Danger^Mouse (talk) 17:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

See Wikinews:Deletion requests

I mentioned you and cited some diffs from recent comments you made, in a new nom I put up at Wikinews:Deletion requests. Just a FYI/heads up. Cirt (talk) 00:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

You might want to add a reason to the DR. Making people read diffs is not particularly user friendly (but by all means feel free to leave the links there for those who do want to click). Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay well I invite you to comment on it more specifically below my nom. Cirt (talk) 00:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll wait, thank you. But you could just state something like what you said in this diff. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I added a bit more. Cirt (talk) 00:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

delete Its crap and nonesense. Thanks Danger^Mouse (talk) 05:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Someone else beat me to it. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


I, Anonymous101, award SVTCobra this barnstar for consistently writing excellent articles on Wikinews

Anonymous101talk 17:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, --SVTCobra 01:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I place stuff on wikipedia

--Ipatrol (talk) 15:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Pleas post comments in the section the page redirects to on wikipedia. Thank you.

UK revokes visa of former Thai PM

I reverted your formatting changes on this, undid the IP's screwy bit about the circulation of the visa revocation, and removed an odd "through" that bust the grammar on it.

Placement of the infobox after the first paragraph is intentional and for most resolutions gives a good visual appearance to the article.

Other than that, thanks for tidying it a bit. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Where you seem to abhor the colon, I feel the same about the semi-colon. I guess it probably depends on who our teachers were, back when we were children. But the IP does have a point about circulation. Should it be "circulated among the airlines"? Or simplified to "sent to the airlines"? Cheers, --SVTCobra 13:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
It's shorthand for "circulated to airlines by the Embassy" - it could be changed to "distributed to", but for me it reads perfectly sensibly at the moment.
As to semicolons, they're a godsend if you know how to use them. Teachers who disavow their use obviously don't know how to use them personally. :-P --Brian McNeil / talk 13:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Addendum: The IP's change to "circulated the airlines" and your above suggestions imply that only one or two airlines were notified and then forwarded the message. "circulated to" does not. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


Brian told me to give the welcoming first before they do anything else. :P Thanks though peace mate.-- Danger^Mouse (talk) 09:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Really, that surprises because Brian usually says "We are not Wal-Mart" when he sees people greeting those who have not contributed. Cheers, --SVTCobra 09:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
ROFL! You knows me too well! --Brian McNeil / talk 09:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Aite cobra I see what you mean thanks pal Danger^Mouse (talk) 11:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Anti Electioneering

Thanks for your comments, although I am not exactly sure what you mean. How can I amend the article to make it more digestible? Geo.plrd (talk) 20:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama

The problem is, right now, Missouri still is undecided. If it's undecided now, it was undecided back when the article was written. There is no "new" information that would switch Missouri from McCain to undecided; I was simply making a correction based on old information. -- King of Hearts (talk) 06:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I verified and fixed Missouri--SVTCobra 19:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


Please remember if you review and publish an article, you need to sight it. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 01:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I just did that when I saw the ! on recent changes. Sorry for the delay. --SVTCobra 01:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Santander excludes UK shareholders

Help. I'm taking the comment in the summary as anoffer of help. I've had a go at trying to fix the Santander excludes UK shareholders article, but if it still isn't ready I don't know what else to do, some pointers would be appreciated.KTo288 (talk) 10:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I didn't have the time at that time. News is like sand in an hourglass. --SVTCobra 23:53, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thailand government house protest

Please read the Wikipedia articles on the PAD. Earlier in the sit-in/protest one of the leaders ordered the break-in to the buildings. So, they are not just in the compound, but actually in the buildings. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I went with what the sources said. In particular BBC and The Guardian. I know not, of course, what the actual situation might be. Cheers, --SVTCobra 13:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for your help! ♪TempoDiValse♪ 23:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

No sweat! You are welcome. --SVTCobra 23:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Urgent !

Because you're editing the article on the Bonbay terrorist attack, I should warn that in this page (in Italian, I can provide a translation if needed) the spanish MEP is cited as still on harm's way; I can suggest to remove the reference to him as MEP (also from history) for obvious reasons ? Of course, will be a good idea removing also this comment ? Best regards from Italy, Dott.Piergiorgio (talk) 23:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I will look into it. --SVTCobra 23:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:High-definition television

hi, you deleted it, but there are at least 3 furthers news in here wchich could be put into this category, but these are protectec and a normal user just can view code of these. it's just for preparation when the youtube news is done one admin can recat the rest into it. greets, --Andreas -horn- Hornig (talk) 07:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information

Thanks for reminding me. I wanna put my parts into making the article that you just explained. Contact me if you wanna. Mindy (talk) 01:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Geraldine Ferraro is Added

I've got preparation about Geraldine Ferraro, in case she passes away. She's very important for multiple reasons. Please look. People will remember Geraldine Ferraro on her attempt to become first Female VP in the White House.

Mindy (talk) 04:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, but the story prep isn't very useful if it is empty. --SVTCobra 22:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

What should we add then? Mindy (talk) 10:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The highlights of her life and career would be something to include in an obituary. However, as there is no indication that she is about to kick it, I won't be adding to it. You can run with it. Cheers, --SVTCobra 14:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Indian NE state of Nagaland now under President's rule.

What do you think about this article? I came across this article while doing some archiving. As you can see, it's in terrible shape and probably should not have been published. Cheers --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The good news is that it doesn't have {{date}}, so it was never on the front page. I would remove {{publish}} and put it up for WN:DR. --SVTCobra 21:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll do that. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 21:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


I created this article since I found that many passengers were identified by NZ news and are on the way to be transferred to Tierra del Fuego; but the saving ship is still 7 nautical miles away.

Before creating this, I checked the articles created and this has not been made. But after creation, I found that this is already in Wiki news shorts. Is this alright? I am new here. If the rules require its deletion, then so be it.[18] Thanks.--Florentino Floro (talk) 08:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
It should be fine, if there are substantial new developments. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. --SVTCobra 10:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DOL Image

Defiantly more appropriate. I don't know why I didn't think of that. ;) Thanks, Calebrw (talk) 19:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Short review

OK. I have reviewed your short on the article's talk page. Thanks! ♪TempoDiValse♪ 02:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

"I agree that this should just be merged"

Hi! Before anything, I do enjoy my stay here, and deeply admire your extraordinary diligence in sharing your wisdom for WikiNews. Thanks also, for cleaning and reviewing my articles, even if I am just groping to learn here. I AGREE on the MERGER. (Please see my rather long discussion on: Talk:Boxing: De La Hoya and Pacquiao trade verbal punches for 'The Dream Match'--Florentino Floro (talk) 04:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


I meant to do piracy but somehow just had a brain freeze and went with pirates. I changed it. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

A big thank you

thank you for adding a infobox and image to the Steven Chu article! --AzulFish89 (talk) 01:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain more fully...

Could you please explain more fully your excisions? You made several excisions of material with the edit summary "rm unsourced" where that material seemed pretty clearly well-sourced. Geo Swan (talk) 03:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The portions about "observant muslims" and the film were not in the sources. If they were, please state where it came from on the collaboration page of the article. --SVTCobra 10:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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