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-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:34, 27 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Please see my review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Explosions kill four in Nebraska town in United States


Quick review of the article reveals there have been major updates to this story (arrest made). Please update the article and resubmit. Thanks, SVTCobra 16:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply



Wikinews does not have and does not seek to have a notability guideline similar to that of Wikipedia. Local news is encouraged, bearing in mind it should be written for an international audience. Mundane things that might get published in ultra-local newspapers are discouraged, however. See Wikinews:Content guide for more information. Cheers, SVTCobra 22:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, I'm aware of that. I didn't intend that as a negative thing, just as an observation that the articles here trend towards local, non-controversial news. And also that there aren't many articles in total, because of an unfortunate lack of contributors.--Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 18:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Abandoned articles


When tagging articles as {{abandoned}} it is best (though not strictly required) to include the current date as the first parameter. To do this easily use {{subst:aband}} which will automatically add the date. Cheers, SVTCobra 04:18, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply



Minus the Hobo Tourism article that had been sitting for awhile, congrats on getting the first Wikinews article in more than a month published! Johnson524 (talk) 01:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! It was just pure luck, actually, RockerballAustralia happened to be finalizing his own article, and he reviewed it right then. But it definitely felt good to see some sign of life on the Main Page. Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 03:49, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Ha, I just realized I wrote "some sign of life" in reference to an obituary! Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
If you're looking for any Ukraine-related stuff to write about, there's Russia banning oil sales to the G7 nations or the US attempting to muster the legislative support for Ukraine aid. Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 04:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I definitely hope to write more for Wikinews in the future 🙂 Johnson524 (talk) 15:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

thank you for your patience.


im sorry, i don't waste your time but thank you for helping out. Cheers!!! DallasWinsten61 (talk) 03:22, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

It's not a waste of time at all. Helping articles get published is a good way for me to lend a hand. Any and all contributors are welcome here, we definitely have a shortage of writers and reviewers. Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 03:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Unfortunately English WikiNews does have less activity then usual. DallasWinsten61 (talk) 03:39, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Yes. I'm glad that you chose Wikinews; out of all the Wikimedia projects, we have the least activity, but we're also perhaps the friendliest and most reader-dedicated wiki (as evidenced by the fact that the Wikinews ArbCom could fade out of existence with no significant repercussions for the community; there weren't any disputes anymore). Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 03:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I just hope English Wikinews doesn't retire!!!!! DallasWinsten61 (talk) 03:52, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Opinion please on Hazard article, I hope it don't go Stale!!! DallasWinsten61 (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I just made a couple edits to put things in order. The style of Wikinews articles was confusing to me until I read WN:PYRAMID, which is basically: put the information in order from most important to least important, so how long Eden Hazard played for Belgium would be before the team's Instagram post about him.
It's good that you're aware of the staleness issue, but it's not a problem right now, since articles go stale after 5-7 days.
Unfortunately, I am not a reviewer, so I can't move the article toward publication. Hopefully one of them is online soon. Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 04:08, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Agreed, thank you. DallasWinsten61 (talk) 04:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, this article isn't abandoned and I've submitted it for review. Are there any other changes that need to be made before it is ready for review? If so, please let me know. Samuel Kirwin (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes, technically it isn't abandoned because you haven't abandoned it, but that's usually the tag we use to indicate staleness: unfortunately, the article has gone stale as the 5-7 day freshness window has passed and no reviewers (I'm not one of them) have reviewed it.
I hope this unfortunate occurrence (sadly, not uncommon on today's English Wikinews) does not deter you from continuing to write here; I can see you have potential.
If you have the time, you can try to find new material to refresh the story, if there are new developments, or attempt original reporting, although that's a more difficult route; an interview might be the only type of original reporting it would be practical to conduct (assuming you don't live in Sicily, in which case you could take it much further and investigate the conditions of the area presently). Heavy Water (talk) 18:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I understand. Thanks for clearing that up. Samuel Kirwin (talk) 23:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

How is it my fault that the USA Wins World Cup article is stale?


I finished it in about a day, and everything from here is that there are no reviewers. Is it fair to delete a perfectly good article just because no reviewer exists to actually review it? RPI2026F1 (talk) 16:53, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

It's not your fault at all and no, it's not fair at all. I've had the same thing happen to 6 of my articles-most of my articles.
It's crushing when it happens, but the reviewers would not approve a stale article.
Consider this: what would you think as a reader if you went to the English Wikinews' Facebook or Twitter feed right now and saw a new post about the US being eliminated from the World Cup, which started, "On December 4..." It would be laughable. The same thing if it was advertised as news on the Main Page (although our Main Page still lists articles from September, but at least they were published then). Heavy Water (talk) 17:35, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Honestly I feel like unless there's a guarantee that articles will be reviewed by 7 days, the option to make new articles should be disabled. RPI2026F1 (talk) 14:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Re: recent edits


The article Taliban bar Afghan women from higher education follows British and Commonwealth spelling customs, which you reverted with edits eg 'fulfil', 'co-ordinated'. Per the style guide: "On Wikinews we generally follow either the spelling patterns of the subject of the article (British English for articles about the UK, American English for those about the US, etc), or those of the article's first author." Just as I, a reviewer, do not 'correct' American spelling norms, I ask Commonwealth norms be respected in kind. JJLiu112 (talk) 23:49, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Furthermore, the link to Asia was made as it is an internal category for people wanting to read more Wikinews articles about Asia—a Wikipedia link to South Asia would be for people wanting to read more about what South Asia is. Generally, we apply the former more liberally than the latter. Thanks nonetheless for the spirit of your edits, they are greatly appreciated. JJLiu112 (talk) 23:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
@JJLiu112: Thank you, I was not aware of that about "fulfil" and "co-ordinated". Heavy Water (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)Reply



Hi > Said Haines: "Essentially, we just had to put together a case to demonstrate that there was a larger playing group out there, that's of a higher quality player, that we could essentially tap into. https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brothers_Sunshine_Coast_to_join_A_grade_rugby_union_competition_on_Australia%27s_Sunshine_Coast

Missing the end of quotation marks ("). Nigirii (talk) 15:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Nigirii: Thank you for pointing this out, it is a common grammatical error. It appears another user has now fixed it. Heavy Water (talk) 16:21, 26 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
It has been fixed, but it doesn't show up in the "view". Nigirii (talk) 17:05, 26 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Correct. Because of how the page is set up, it is only displayed in the "Pending changes" tab between "Read" and "Edit". This change will be merged into the "Read" view when a reviewer approves it. Heavy Water (talk) 17:38, 26 December 2022 (UTC)Reply



I nominated you for Reviewer status. You could certainly use the permission. Cheers, SVTCobra 12:03, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SVTCobra: Thank you greatly. I did not think I was qualified for that, but I am much honored to accept on the nomination page and see where that goes. I'm supposed to partake in an "apprentice" review of an article with an experienced reviewer, right? Heavy Water (talk) 14:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

A longer tenure is probably normal, but you are doing really well and we need all hands on deck to keep this ship afloat. SVTCobra 00:31, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! Heavy Water (talk) 00:40, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Let's take a quick breath: Have you been made an Accredited Reporter here yet?--Bddpaux (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Bddpaux: No, which was part of why I didn't expect this at all...I applied for accreditation, as I had already planned to, yesterday. I completely understand your reservations. Heavy Water (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Congrats, Again!


Hello Heavy Water, I hope you're doing well. While I haven't edited on Wikinews for a little while now, I hope you know that all of your work here has been very appreciated, by me, and all of those who view the site. It's awesome to see so much life on the main page again when I log onto the site, and I'm honored to link the articles that get passed on their appropriate Wikipedia pages. Keep up the outstanding work and congratulations on your nomination for reviewer status. Cheers! Johnson524 (talk) 04:30, 8 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Johnson524: Thank you! It is my honor to be able to contribute to this wiki, which can now once again call itself Wikinews, not Wikirecenthistory. If you feel like writing, now would certainly be a good time, as the reviewers have returned, and, in fact, we have the opposite problem: not enough writers! So any contributions you could make would be very welcome. The reviewership nomination kind of took me by surprise, but I like it. Cheers, Heavy Water (talk) 04:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Wow, that was a speedy response! If the reviewers have returned, why not, I would love to write again. Thank you for the encouragement 🙂 Johnson524 (talk) 05:17, 8 January 2023 (UTC) (Wikirecenthistory lol)Reply



For the record, if you don't want to clutter up your user page, you can create a 'sandbox page' eg User:pi zero/sandbox. Up to you. JJLiu112 (talk) 09:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

@JJLiu112: Yes, I know, thanks. I was using my sandbox for something else. Heavy Water (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply



Well, this is HORRIBLY past due!

  The Order of the Humble Pencil

For completing 5 edits.

Great work! Keep it up!--Bddpaux (talk) 15:59, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Bddpaux: Thanks! I already took the liberty of awarding myself the Wikinews Intern trophy. Heavy Water (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Which is completely appropriate. This one is (unofficially, of course) the first award that someone might give to you here.--Bddpaux (talk) 16:04, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Award 2


...as is this!

  The Order of the Modest Pencil

For getting your first article published!

Excellent work!--Bddpaux (talk) 16:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply


A long overdue token of gratitude from I'm sure the whole community to recognise and commend a most diligent and voracious contributor with plenty of room to grow. JJLiu112 (talk) 19:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you so much! I'm very glad to have earned it! Heavy Water (talk) 19:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Re Kyiv mayor comment


Hi Heavy Water

In the article, it says 'Ukraine alleges this tactic is part of an offensive against civilians.' If you have time and familiarity with sources, could you please change the wording to clarify which person or authority is making this allegation, please (cf. WN:Attribution).

Also, are there second sources on ".We have a deficit of energy around 30% right now in Kyiv"? Without such additional sources, the article reads like telling the important quote of one person, not substantiated by independent evidence.

Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 00:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida: 1. The Euronews source which I used to reference that says "Kyiv" (i.e., the Ukrainian government). I can change it to "The Ukrainian government alleges..." if you'd like. 2. This says there was a deficit from around Sunday. I wouldn't have considered this newsworthy were it not for the fact that he has information from local experts (he's only relaying that). Heavy Water (talk) 01:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you Heavy Water, for the note. Perhaps 'Euronews reported, Kyiv alleged this tactic was part of an offensive against civilians'? Would suggest to add the Yahoo News link in list of references -- it looks sort of like what I am looking for -- and mention relevant information from it in the article. If there's any more information available about the deficit, it'd be cool to include also.
Note I have communicated with people from Russia and one of them mentioned recently that (according to what the Russian TV says perhaps?) the electricity is available by time (i.e., for N hours per day every day) and the claim that the civilians 'lack' electricity may be misleading, i.e. 'Millions of Ukrainians now reportedly lack electricity'. It would be great to see whether there are reliable sources supporting it, and/or specifying which cities or towns lack electricity, whether or not there is this N hours per day thing or not, etc. Gryllida (talk) 02:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
I will bring the Yahoo article in then (hopefully via the Kyiv Independent directly). Russian state media would certainly misrepresent the situation. CNN was who said they lack electricity, though they didn't go much further. I'd say CNN is reliable enough to not require attribution. I don't think the attribution to Euronews is necessary either, I've seen much advice by Wikinewsies not to clutter the article with mentions of other outlets, much like how we don't use inline referencing, and no one is claiming Ukraine didn't say this. Heavy Water (talk) 02:27, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

new article


Check out my new article. It would be better if you check the article so that I can submit it for review. DRC-B5 (talk) 06:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply



My English not so gd... Pecerasop747 (talk) 22:45, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Heavy water: Pecerasop747 (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I got the message, thanks. I replied on Talk:Oakland California shooting. Heavy Water (talk) 22:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Accredited reporter


For becoming an accredited reporter, what conditions do I need to satisfy? DRC-B5 (talk) 16:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

@DRC-B5: Uhh, I'll assume this is a hypothetical and you're not seeking accreditation right now. Wikinews:Accreditation policy should outline the expectations, but it doesn't make clear enough two things:
1. Accreditation is to aid in original reporting, but you can certainly do original reporting without accreditation; accreditation only helps you confirm to third parties you are a journalist, which can be crucial in some places.
2. Accreditation requires Wikinewsies to place a lot of trust in the reporter; with accreditation, Wikinews is placing its reputation in their hands. Wikinews:Never assume requires us to rely on individuals' earned reputations-that is, if we think we can trust them after knowing them a while. I'm not saying other Wikinewsies doesn't trust you, or anyone else; I'm saying Wikinewsies prefer to have known someone for a while before accrediting them. (This sounds like something Pi zero would say, and I never knew him, though I feel like I did).
So, I would encourage you to keep writing, become familiar with the accreditation policy, and hopefully get some articles published. From what I've seen, you learn quickly. Heavy Water (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hmm this takes a lot of time for reaching such position. Thanks for your explanation. I just want to get familiar with this project. DRC-B5 (talk) 17:40, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
@DRC-B5: No problem. A lot of time, not necessarily. I only really joined Wikinews in August, and I requested accreditation this month, receiving a fair amount of support. Familiarity with the project and its people is certainly the best way to earn trust. Heavy Water (talk) 17:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hi, Heavy Water. I know your Hipkins-NZ article was next in line and only a few days from getting stale, but I thought you and JJLiu112 were working it out and I remain confident it will get published. Madelaine is already familiar with the article and has probably read the sources quite a bit already. I am trying to optimize our output. The choice of British English in the recent article and whether to defer to author (and source) choice of spelling is interesting. I left it "defence" because to a reader it would be more consistent with all the references to "honour" (not "honor"). I didn't want to mix it up (for a lack of a better term). Cheers, SVTCobra 04:57, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SVTCobra: Yes, I certainly understand your reasoning on the review queue, we do have a problem where her (excellent) articles aren't reviewed. Even if I wouldn't do so myself, I get the spelling thing, and have resolved the talk section. Heavy Water (talk) 05:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
More to the point of why I gave you an early nomination for reviewer: If you look at my edit history, or rather the edit history of the article, it took me hours. Perhaps longer than it took to write (I have no way of knowing). Reviews are tedious and require you to look at each fact and quote in the article. I think you are a good candidate because you find typos in old articles as well as policy pages and guidelines. We need to be pedantic. While the world might find it an insult we should take pride in it. SVTCobra 07:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
@SVTCobra: Well, it's easy to focus on spelling when the rest of the article looks just fine. I do try to be accurate and detailed to avoid mistakes or even a lack of clarity. Thank you, Heavy Water (talk) 15:03, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sorry about the rapid-fire messages about WN:Fair use, but it is a potential liability for the WMF. Either way, I think there are plenty of alternatives. And never let GRP get under your skin. Cheers, SVTCobra 03:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SVTCobra: No, it is certainly necessary, copyright violations are serious. I requested deletion because I wasn't able to reduce the resolution and I, in fact, found a different but suitable image. And his message was only a minor nuisance, but thanks. Heavy Water (talk) 03:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yes, it is serious. I was in rapid-fire mode due to writing my own article at the same time. And I can't remember the exact image you you used (and tired to reduce), but was it from this? If so it was already not timely if you look at their caption. It is from November (or rather earlier because that's when the Standard got it). It's just a stock photo. Commons:Category:Woolacombe has several images of farmland. If Woolacombe is not pertinent, I am sure you can find a photo on Commons for British farmland. Cheers, SVTCobra 04:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
The image was also used there yes (that's one of my sources). I did feel it was more relevant, but I'm now using this one. Heavy Water (talk) 04:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



Can you report ‎1L0VEFAKENEWS69420 to admins noticeboard? DRC-B5 (talk) 17:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

It wouldn't be much help at the moment; there are no admins online. When SVTCobra logs in next, they'll check Recent changes and block the user. Heavy Water (talk) 17:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Ah! I see him much active in Wikinews. DRC-B5 (talk) 17:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



HW, can you please contribute my article in my absence as I will be inactive for this month due to my exam pressure, as I mentioned earlier. I thought I would go for deletion of them as this will be stale after few days. But SVT prevented me saying someone will contribute in my absence. You please do this as per your capacity. DRC-B5 (talk) 06:14, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

I might be able to. However, I see you're working on a new article. I would caution you against abandoning articles so fast for new ones; it will likely result in none being published, as opposed to taking one article and focusing on it to get it published. And I think you should submit French unions strike against President Macron’s pension reform plan for review. Heavy Water (talk) 14:43, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
But the issues pointed out by Liu is not yet fixed. Did you fixed that issue? DRC-B5 (talk) 14:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I thought you did, and I copyedited it, which was one of the things she advised. Heavy Water (talk) 14:49, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hmm, I will keep your advice and request for deleting the new page I made. I will be active for 1 hr. So I will check again and submit for review. DRC-B5 (talk) 14:56, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yeah I made the corrections. Sorry for that I was too busy that I forgot what I did. DRC-B5 (talk) 15:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Misuse of user pages


Hi. I have not said or assumed that this user is going to be disruptive. Just in many projects this deliberate non-productive crosswiki founding of user pages is considered to be the misuse of user pages which they are not designed for. But it is up to you and your local rules.

Cheers, -- Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 14:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Jan.Kamenicek: Sorry, by disruptive I had in mind the vandalism that got them blocked on the English Wikipedia. I should have clarified that. But, Wikinews:Never assume also forbids us from assuming the user page creation is going to be their only edit. If it's a disruptive editor's user page, we would delete it. But I don't think any of these things apply here. Thanks, Heavy Water (talk) 14:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

US downs Chinese balloon article


Hey, got some time for checking this. I feel some of the portions needs to be fixed. DRC-B5 (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

"On Tuesday, the United Kingdom government released the Environmental Improvement Plan, pledging every English person will have "a green space or water" 15 minutes or less' walk from their home."

...by what year? Gryllida (talk) 04:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida: Something I wanted to know myself. Unfortunately, it's not in the sources or the government's press release (where the sources got that information from). It is a five-year plan, so that's a possible time frame, but no specific date was attached to this goal. Heavy Water (talk) 05:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



That guy is too sucking my patience. DRC-B5 (talk) 17:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yep. They're one of the long-term abusers around here. Heavy Water (talk) 17:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I reported to IRC. DRC-B5 (talk) 17:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



I bestowed Reviewer rights to you. I wish some more admins had voted, but it has been over a month. You only got one 'weak oppose' so I think most people trust you. I don't know if you ever met up with @Gryllida in IRC as was talked about. However, WWC2023 has only increased the bottleneck of reviews and we need more active reviewers. Congrats, SVTCobra 19:39, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

SVTCobra, I cannot thank you enough for placing your trust in me. I will try to live up to that. As for IRC: yeah, the extreme time difference makes that hard. I was in once when Gryllida was in the channel, but I think they were inactive then, only still logged in. Thank you, Heavy Water (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
And I intend to sight all those ancient pending changes in Category:Review now. Heavy Water (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Also, now you can sight all those typos you keep finding in recent articles and fixes to main page leads and various other pages in the depths of Wikinews. The typos you find in the archives will still be on me ;) ... but if you keep at it, you'll surely become an admin, too. Cheers, SVTCobra 05:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Re: P&G


As I happen to remember some of the circumstances under which this wording was changed (and did not like how it came out), I should point out **why** it came to be. A series of community members, but one in particular, would revert changes to 'their' article by manually reverting edits one at a time. In this way they might technically avoid reverting 3+ times, as they were not reverting the exact same changes 3+ times. Thus the attempt to state one cannot revert within a single article more than three times in a day. - Amgine | t 04:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Amgine: Hmm, OK, that makes sense. I self-reverted. Heavy Water (talk) 04:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



I thought of deciding to create another article. I will make it ready but I guess you will be offline for now. Please check my article when it is ready. And congrats for reviewer DRC-B5 (talk) 05:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hey, just check the article India sends new rocket, deploying 3 satellites into the orbit, when you are free, probably. DRC-B5 (talk) 17:42, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



While archiving some articles, I notice you tend to keep all the categories on one line separated by a space. While this does not appear to be problem technologically, it is commonplace to have them each on a separate line. This is the way I have seen categories organized across all wiki-projects. I don't know of any policy on this, but if you could, please follow convention if it is all the same to you. Cheers, SVTCobra 17:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SVTCobra: I do prefer them on separate lines (as with the elements of a source) and thought I always did this (here, for example). I guess that was an oversight, I'll try to pay more attention to it next time. Heavy Water (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
OK, cool. But look at this diff which I just made. Cheers, SVTCobra 17:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I saw it, yes. I'll keep them on separate lines next time. Heavy Water (talk) 17:33, 12 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for the review. :-) Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 01:16, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

It was my pleasure to do so! Heavy Water (talk) 03:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for editing, appreciated. This is an interesting story. Gryllida (talk) 01:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



I have withdraw review on the Murmu transfer article. I add a new article about Bangladesh president election topic, you can review on it. M:DRC (talk) 14:09, 15 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

OK, I'll do so when I have time. Heavy Water (talk) 14:09, 15 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



I want to know about my feedback so that I can improve it from the future. Thanks M:DRC (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Do you mean on {{speedy}} tags? I was only saying it seemed more like encyclopedic content or editorializing than spam/advertising. Heavy Water (talk) 17:48, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Nah, about my contributions in Wikinews. How am I making my articles? Etc. M:DRC (talk) 18:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I see. I think my comments here and Chaetodipus' here are the most relevant. This essay by the late Pi zero might be helpful. Heavy Water (talk) 19:01, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
@DRC-B5: Another thing would be the reviewer's edits and their edit summaries. I find looking at the "diffs", like this one, of those edits, can be helpful for picking up smaller things not mentioned in the review comments. You can easily see what was changed and why, avoiding the same problems on your future articles. Heavy Water (talk) 05:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Ok then, I will do my best M:DRC (talk) 05:37, 18 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your edit to SG


Please do not re-open this argument. There are times to choose a single preferred term for clarity in a reference guide. While using the term 'stop' may be preferred for a portion of English speakers, there are other terms used in other contexts and a guide cannot support every possible option consistently. Allowing more than one has, in the past, resulted in wheel wars, and this was the compromise text for the Style Guide.

There is also guidance on how policies are created and updated. Generally speaking, a substantive change to an established policy should be discussed on-wiki with active project participants. If there is consensus for a change, make sure to ad a link to the discusion's revisions so others can see when/where/how the policy was changed. (Yes, there is a policy to Ignore All Rules, which PiZero absolutely loathed, so if you strongly feel you should be able to arbitrarily alter the policies of the project at will, but then you must not argue if others do the same to your changes. Amgine | t 18:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Obviously one is not supposed to substantively change policy without consensus. I made my edit to clarify that period is the preferred term (as one who prefers "period" I would have no interest in changing it).
For context for anyone else:
This American term is used to describe full-stops (the British/International term). --> This is the American counterpart of the Commonwealth term full-stop.
I thought this unnecessarily elevating full-stop, in fact. I see now some meaning of "this is what SG uses" was lost, but that repeats the "Conventions" section anyway. Heavy Water (talk) 18:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Amgine. Heavy Water (talk) 18:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Bulgarian police article


Hi HW, got some time for checking this. I don't like articles getting stale. M:DRC (talk) 03:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@DRC-B5:{{lead article 2}}
--Heavy Water (talk) 04:27, 20 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks bro, and have a good day to you. M:DRC (talk) 04:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
No problem! Heavy Water (talk) 04:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Should this have been hard-linked to the article you are talking about instead of Lead Article 2? SVTCobra 03:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hi, today I applied for accreditation request. Since I would like to continue in this wiki, I must also do some more stuff (including OR) and increase my positions. OR is the main problem for me. I am not an adult yet. So, I will be restricted to move in outside my residence. M:DRC (talk) 16:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@DRC-B5: First, you are under no obligation to do OR or request accreditation, though you're more than welcome to. Also, you don't need accreditation to do OR, it just makes it easier. And I think people usually do OR around where they live. Heavy Water (talk) 16:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Make lead &c.


Per the big warning that appears on the Wikinews:Make lead page, "Please do not use time sensitive words like 'today' or 'yesterday'", and I'd suggest skipping 'Sunday', 'Monday' etc. considering how quickly that can get dated too. And maybe this is a personal thing, but I think a bit of surreptitious edits are OK just so, for example, it doesn't read "The United Kingdom Home Office Thursday is to begin" or including acronyms "African Union (AU)" that aren't really necessary if it's just in a headline. JJLiu112 (talk) 03:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Regarding "today and yesterday" (I went looking and found this diff), that must've been an oversight. I do try to keep the day-of-the-week dates in leads up-to-date. I wasn't sure what to do with the "The United Kingdom Home Office...", since changing the tenses didn't feel right because that was not covered by the sources as reviewed or the article... Heavy Water (talk) 06:23, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

There's no need to add manual interwiki links to Wikinews in other languages. It is being handled through Wikidata. Pi zero opposed removing old ones (perhaps, initially fearing it would stop working), but even he did not favor adding new ones. Cheers, SVTCobra 01:06, 8 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Oh. I saw, apparently, old ones at Category:Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (I used Wikidata only for previous categories) and I thought en.wn had an aversion to migrating interwikis to Wikidata. Thank you for clarifying. Heavy Water (talk) 01:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

One of your deletion requests


You requested User:Get ready to snack on my poopie be deleted. While I don't think there is a lick of truth in the user's self-description, I don't think it is vandalism. I don't like the username anymore than I liked your first username, but again, I don't think it violates policy. Basically, it just discourages "offensive" name without defining them. Cheers, SVTCobra 03:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

I should have said "speedy nominations" instead of "deletion requests" as the process differs. But I think you understand. SVTCobra 03:33, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Well, I thought it was likely the LTA also known as Cannot hold in my poop much longer (t · c · b), (t · c · b), and the compromiser of The Irate Communist. So preemptively tagging it. But I understand what you mean. Heavy Water (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Until they edit outside of their own user page, I don't think any action is needed. I mean, there can be actionable content on the user page, but we don't have that either. SVTCobra 04:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
OK. Heavy Water (talk) 04:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
I don't have checkuser privileges nor would I suggest requesting such services at this point. SVTCobra 04:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply



I know it is confusing and it took me a while to get conventions down pat, myself. But there are three basic types:

  1. dash (also called a hyphen) which is the shortest one and typically for hyphenating words, but used all over the place, sometimes incorrectly
  2. en-dash (a bit longer) which is good for separating scores of sports or votes (as in the recently published article)
  3. em-dash (even longer) which is good for interjections but with a space before and after

The reason the single dash is found incorrectly in so many places (including reputable sources) is that the other two cannot be found on a standard keyboard. We, thankfully, have the dropdown box for special characters. Further making it hard, this is probably not spelled out in our style guide, but can probably be found in resources such as The Chicago Manual of Style which is a massive tome about proper writing. I think some of the older editions might be available for free online (and they don't change much from edition-to-edition). Anyway, most of our style guide is right in line with Chicago. It is American-English centered but in my experience, British-English publications are not much different. Lastly, sometimes you will find in sources a double dash (--) which is the easy way to make an em-dash with a standard keyboard. A single dash is usually used in place of an en-dash. And there is no way I am going to go through our archives to find all the ways people have used dashes in the past. Cheers, SVTCobra 22:13, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

OK, thank you. Heavy Water (talk) 22:14, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Another resource is the AP Stylebook which I wouldn't fault anyone for following. I'm sorry if I come off as anal-retentive. Cheers, SVTCobra 22:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
No, no, it's fine. I'll make note of that. Heavy Water (talk) 22:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Typical workflow for interviews/requests for comment/etc


I saw a sub-page of yours (at least I thought it was yours) where you kept notes for an interview you wanted to do. I can't find it now.

For the Willow project article I am working on, I have requested comment regarding the funding of the EIS. I doubt seriously I'll receive a response. But just in case — do you have recommendations for how to work through that? I've read through WN:OR. But I don't see where it discusses the finer mechanics of officially tracking email/correspondence, etc.

I see from your 'Crimea is a red line' article that I am to forward emails to Scoop. I assume that is Scoop@wn-reporters.org, correct?

Sorry if this should be obvious to me or if I've missed reading a document with instructions!

15:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Michael.C.Wright (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Michael.C.Wright: Was it my sandbox? I was keeping the questions there (diff) but replaced them with some infrastructure-related links I need to remember. Yeah, we've kinda just expected people to know how to do that stuff, which is both unfair and risky in terms of how people present Wikinews. This is compounded by the fact that email correspondence is nearly always only shared with scoop. I seem to recall one of Pi zero's goals was to set up a page to walk people through OR and make it more approachable, but that was one of the things he was never able to do. And I'm far from knowledgeable about the actual practice of OR-I've read a lot of it, but that's only my second OR. Anyways Pi recommended 'Fascinating' and 'provocative' research examines genetic elements of bipolar, schizophrenia because all correspondence is documented on the talk page there, and I tend to follow that format for my emails. A very crucial thing is how you describe your connection with Wikinews. Even accredited reporters must describe themselves as independent authors/independent researchers/freelance journalists, not as "Wikinews reporters". You may say you are hoping to publish in Wikinews, at which point I often name-drop Wikipedia for legitimacy. And you may be surprised at how responsive people can be to that. --Heavy Water (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
And after you're done, forward everything to scoop [at] wn-reporters [dot] org, yeah. But don't send files to scoop, since those are heavy and the entire wn-reporters system is paid for by Wikinewsies (which is good, so the WMF can exercise no editorial control; send them to an active accredited reporter, who will upload them to a private file-hosting service. Heavy Water (talk) 18:30, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
That definitely helps. Thank you! Michael.C.Wright (talk) 20:09, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
I do not know how easy it is to get a hold of William S. Saturn, but he has tremendous experience in contacting people for interviews. SVTCobra 16:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Ah, yes. I recall his last edit was December 2021, just responding to an award on his talk page, and he hasn't edited much at enwiki, either. Heavy Water (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
He usually gets active during election cycles. SVTCobra 16:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply



the ip didn't seem suspicious, just saying though I could be wrong, thanks. Hypda (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Hypda: It was an empty request; we get a lot of those. I do not judge suspicion, I am not a checkuser or anyone with administrative authority. Heavy Water (talk) 00:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough, thank you. Hypda (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply



BTW, you don't have to manually update the date in {{date}}. EZPR will automatically change it to the current UTC date at the time you select to give a passing review. Just a minor time saver. Cheers, SVTCobra 02:35, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Oh, OK. Thanks. Heavy Water (talk) 02:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you


for your help on the categories. (talk) 13:38, 3 April 2023 (UTC)Reply



I've got a quick question that I'm not sure who else can answer. The New South Wales state election was conceded last month, however the last seat has only now been called (see: [1]) Does that mean an article can't be written on it because it's been over 7 days? Or is the last seat called the end date of the election? Thanks. Commemorative1 (talk) 06:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC) Commemorative1Reply

You would have to make the focal event the battle for the final seat and how close the count was. You could then discuss the results of the rest of the NSW elections deeper in the article as background information. Try to follow the principles prescribed in WN:PYRAMID. Cheers, SVTCobra 07:06, 8 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your accreditation


Are you still on IRC with Gryllida and/or others? I really don't know how to close your request. It's not a permission within the Wikimedia software. I tried to ping them today. Cheers, SVTCobra 23:23, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

I'm in the channel now; last time Gryllida was signed in to the channel, but inactive, now they're not in the channel at all. Revisiting some old requests, I think the person is just added to WN:CV and {{Accredited reporter}} placed on their user page. Heavy Water (talk) 23:30, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
I mean, I can do that part. But not the whole stuff with an e-mail account and business(?) card. Nor can I do the part where I am supposed to verify your identity. How can I confirm you are "N Johns" or that this is an acceptable pseudonym? I don't know these things because I never pursued accreditation myself. SVTCobra 23:41, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
I see. Is Acagastya responsive to emails in your experience? Heavy Water (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
I have never e-mailed Acagastya to my recollection, but I would imagine yes. Acagastya set up the current mail system (and may be paying for it). SVTCobra 23:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
@SVTCobra: My point with "structures" was that, to my understanding, the sources noted five "buildings" (besides houses, etc.) had been hit, but it was not stated these were all apartment buildings, though Reuters refers to plural apartment buildings. Heavy Water (talk) 00:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
Upon re-reading the ABC source, the math doesn't quite add up, either. Although, it is not out of the realm of possibilty that a missile the size of an S-300 could impact more than one home or building. We are still in the 24-hour window, so I will do a little digging to see if we can clarify. But I'd rather drop the "homes" than the "apartment buildings" because of the overwhelming photo evidence. SVTCobra 00:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
After reading an AP source, I am prepared to just change it all to "a residential area". ABC seems to be the only one mentioning a school, as well. SVTCobra 00:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Gryllida was online and edited on Wikinews tonight. Did you hook up? --SVTCobra 00:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Gryllida said they cannot access wn-reporters either. Heavy Water (talk) 02:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply



Who has the saying of "Would a school teacher in Manila care about this? What about a waiter in Sydney or a young mother in Hong Kong?" This doesn't quite feel right. I do not believe in the sentiment that every article should necessarily be of interest to every person on earth. In fact, I am quite certain when Jimbo Wales created Wikinews, he envisioned thousands if not millions of Wikinewsies running around doing all kinds of news reporting, from global to hyper-local. And, of course, there'd be so many of us that we could all keep a check on each other (without our formally adopted reviewing process).

While that dream hasn't panned out. I guess, what I am saying is I don't like your justification. Citing WN:CARCRASH would be OK, but who the fuck knows what a school teacher in Manila cares about? Maybe she doesn't care about the war in Ukraine or the US presidential elections. It's a ridiculous notion to use this as a standard of newsworthiness. Anyway, I'd like to know where you found this. SVTCobra 02:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

It is Bddpaux's, from their user page. I intended to use it as an illustration to help the author understand what I was saying in reference to the newsworthiness policy. Heavy Water (talk) 02:32, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
Oh, that's rich! Does he believe a young mother in Hong Kong cares about Wikinews attends 2021 Texas Haunters Convention? The irony is thick. Wow! SVTCobra 02:37, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
I can strike out the mention of it, if you think it's misleading. Heavy Water (talk) 02:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
It's your review. You should do what you feel is right. I had been following that article a bit, but after the photo and notes, it started to feel like any of tens of thousands of daily traffic accidents. I guess, I didn't realize a tipper truck was not a tanker truck where the spill would have been significant. But, again, do what you want, the contributor can always resubmit for review. I, on the other hand, may talk to Paul about that statement on his user page. But not tonight. Cheers, SVTCobra 02:55, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
Eh, I struck it. I realized I had not linked to policy anyway. --Heavy Water (talk) 03:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
Funny that you mentioned the Haunters Convention; the 2019 article was mentioned by Brian Keegan in this MIT paper, as evidence of how peer review and archiving, along with Wikipedia, had caused Wikinews to "fail". I don't see how publishing local news places the blame for any supposed failure of Wikinews on peer review and archiving, but that's what he said. Heavy Water (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
I had never seen that paper before. Thanks. It was a pretty interesting read. SVTCobra 18:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
For the sake of chatter, let me weigh in here just a bit. I read about 15% of that article (will finish later). Funnily enough, I don't see evidence he interviewed 10 people who came for 15 minutes and left, asking why they didn't stick around. Brian McNeil and Pi Zero were BRILLIANT at crafting responses pertaining to what WN is and what WN is not. Reminder: WN is not Wikipedia, and it NEVER WAS. Oh, he is right: We were VERY MUCH limping along in 2019 -- for certain. I have NEVER EVER EVER EVER liked this idea of an evolving print (digital or otherwise)article -- they drive me nuts! An article is written, checked and published. IMO, unless there is a gross error in it, it stands alone, on that pillar for all eternity. These squishy articles, where 9 versions of it appear over a 72-hour period are weird and cringe! I have modified my user page, because my 'school teacher in Manila' thing etc. etc. was getting horribly misconstrued. We can ABSOLUTELY report on local news here... and we SHOULD VERY MUCH be doing so. My comments were meant to convey that our stuff should have a global APPEAL built into it.

To my point: People all around the world are interested in show business and entertainment. People all around the world are interested in business, economics and trade. Many people all over the world have attended and like to attend trade shows, amusement parks, fringe theater events, etc. In the Western hemisphere alone, there are about 2200 for-profit haunted attractions open in September and October (that charge fees). Right around the Halloween holiday itself, there are around roughly 4,000 charity organizations that operate various types of walk through or drive through haunted attractions in North America alone. Roughly 100 countries celebrate Halloween. Haunted attractions utilize lighting, mechanical props, makeup, design/painting techniques, architecture etc. You would be hard pressed to find a major amusement park on most continents that doesn't feature some weirdness around Halloween. That event featured classes, vendors, displays etc. See where I am going here? My article featured 3 photos, each with captions. Yes, my photos/writing couldn't had a broader scope/delivery (should've taken better notes). But the focus/scope of that article holds appeals to MANY different people. I wrote my little piece of advise on my user page(give me a few inches, I am drawing from memory) sparked by some article where the person wrote MANY words about a budget constraint in a tiny UK village and how council members wanted to spend money replacing the awnings for assorted government building entrances. [Can't remember if that got published, or not.] It was basically an article about a long conversation that never really went anywhere.

Lest we forget a few things: We are volunteers. We don't generate revenue to keep the lights on around here. We need more Reviewers....true all the way. Always has been true.

We get the news and we report the news... not perfectly, not flawlessly and maybe not as robustly as some of us would like to. But: we are engaged in electronic citizen journalism. Nothing more. Nothing less. Accusing us of failing is like telling a bumble bee that it has failed to evolve into a shark. It never intended to be a shark. 87% of these discussions ALWAYS come back to: Wikinews is not Wikipedia. There are LOADS of local topics out there with broad appeal, and I never intended to convey otherwise. We just have to try our best to speak to a broad swathe of readers... that's all I ever meant.--Bddpaux (talk) 15:44, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your AR


It's been a couple of weeks now. Were you ever able to hook up with Acagastya on IRC or e-mail? SVTCobra 00:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

No...I just emailed Acagastya to ask about it. Heavy Water (talk) 03:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
I'm fairly certain you may be the very first person (at least in a decade) around here to receive accreditation out-of-order. So, you've been a Reviewer for a bit now, and I just made you an Accredited Reporter. Go forth and do good deeds!--Bddpaux (talk) 20:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Heavy Water (talk) 17:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
OK, but did you get an email address or a card? And I still don't understand what the "out-of-order" thing is. I thought it was already talked out at the request page. SVTCobra 04:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
As far as I can see, no user rights were changed (nor should they be because accredited is not a wiki-permission). The important bits you need from the people who administer the e-mail. As far as I can see, Paul didn't do anything except close the request and say congratulations. SVTCobra 04:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Another month has passed with no progress. I think it will be fine if you display a {{Accredited reporter}} on your user page, if you so choose. If you do, obviously you will have to display an valid e-mail address via a third-party provider. It is a shame Wikinews can't currently offer a dedicated domain for this. I realize this is somewhat ad hoc but I don't see any other workaround. I am not the type of person who would try to establish a third domain for Wikinews e-mail. Let me know what you think. I have no idea what other identity verification is traditional. Cheers, SVTCobra 21:36, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
OK. I'll put up the AR template when I have a moment. Heavy Water (talk) 22:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I am obviously not the sole authority on anything. Others may object. So far, you have had excellent feedback for your overall contributions. If you want, I can verify your chosen email address. BTW, did you notice we have a new contributor doing interviews? Cheers, SVTCobra 23:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
But how exactly would you verify an email address? Yeah, I did notice. Heavy Water (talk) 02:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I could send something to that email and ask you to post it here, for example. It would just be something random which you otherwise couldn't guess. SVTCobra 02:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I see below, you have already semi-officially published a non-wikimedia email address (outlook to be specific). SVTCobra 02:41, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
OK, yeah, that'll work. Heavy Water (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

How busy are you today?


I think US National Park Service announces parts of Yosemite National Park to close for days as flooding forecast needs to be published today. Ideally, I will expand it, if you can review shortly after. However, if you are busy, I could just review it in its current state. Cheers, SVTCobra 15:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

I'm about to start reviewing that one. Should be quick. Heavy Water (talk) 15:44, 28 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
OK, I will add to it after you are done, whether it passes or not (24h window). The KTVU video does render, but Archive Bot changed the link. But it is useless anyway, which is why I asked if it was redundant on the talk page. Cheers, SVTCobra 16:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
OK, I didn't notice the bot had interfered. It appears redundant anyway. Heavy Water (talk) 16:37, 28 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello, could you spell check my article on the expulsion of illegal immigrants from the United States?Jusaset (talk) 06:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

What do you think is still out of date, I'm sorry I told you that my native language is not English. Could you help me in that part, give it a linguistic and journalistic review?--Jusaset (talk) 17:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
I replied on the article's talk page. Heavy Water (talk) 18:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply



SVTCobra pointed out the I'd missed a couple of beats in terms of your accreditation. Let me knock off the cobwebs a bit. We'll need your real name etc. to fully make you 'real', and will set you up on the Accredited reporters list, etc. I haven't taken such an action in quite some time, so I am a bit rusty on pressing the correct buttons. Bddpaux (talk) 14:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Well, this is how my information would look in the credential verification template. Only thing I don't know is the value to enter in "Accredited Reporter No."

Johns, N (Wikinews user Heavy Water)


Location: Dallas, Texas, United States
Areas of coverage include: Politics and conflicts, science and technology, environment, obituaries, disasters and accidents, and crime and law.
Contact information:
More information: Wikinews user page | Contact reporter via Talk Page | Browse recent activity | Email this user
Accredited Reporter No.: ?
Received accreditation: April 27, 2023

Accreditation Expires: Unknown

Heavy Water (talk) 15:12, 2 May 2023 (UTC)Reply



It will probably be better if you spend a little more time on what you want the final name to be, instead of leaving multiple redirects for deletion. I am thinking about the current G7 article. This will be extra important for the next 10 days or so. Cheers. SVTCobra 00:55, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sorry. I seem to see a problem with every headline after moving it (and I should rename that again, because the supply chain scheme may be enacted before the end of the year). Heavy Water (talk) 02:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

United States ends Title 42


Why don't they decide and delete it if there is no way to save it, even this article has a Wikipedia page.--Jusaset (talk) 23:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

If you want it to be deleted, you can use {{delete|author}} on the article. Otherwise it will be deleted in a few days if it isn't updated. Heavy Water (talk) 00:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
observo que en tu artículo en Wikinoticias en español, recibiste mucha ayuda https://es.wikinews.org/wiki/Una_jueza_de_Par%C3%ADs_absuelve_a_Airbus_y_Air_France_de_homicidio_involuntario_en_accidente_de_2009_que_mat%C3%B3_a_228_personas que te impide mejorar mi articulo de United States ends Title 42. --Jusaset (talk) 02:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
I note that in your wikinews article in Spanish you received a lot of help that prevents you from helping me in this original article of mine

https://es.wikinews.org/wiki/Una_jueza_de_Par%C3%ADs_absuelve_a_Airbus_y_Air_France_de_homicidio_involuntario_en_accidente_de_2009_que_mat%C3%B3_a_228_personas --Jusaset (talk) 02:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

I have not abandoned the article, from the end of title 12, since day one I have been there editing and re-editing it, what a pity that a story so covered by international and national media does not have a space here on Wikinews, because they prefer to create news about Statuette exhibition Legends of Oriental Folklore opens in Simferopol, Crimea rather than a national problem such as massive migration to the United States and that even has an article on Wikipedia in English. --Jusaset (talk) 21:49, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Each person writes about what we can and what interests us. The fact is, it is too old to be published now. Heavy Water (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
The article has been published since May 12 and I even requested your intervention and you at all times refused to edit it because you did not want it to be clear that it is already old but the issue of migration is an issue that does not have an expiration date at all times There is news and relevant information about this fact, even a Nicaraguan media outlet published a story stating that 30 fellow citizens of that country died on the US-Mexican border. --Jusaset (talk) 21:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Excuse me for getting involved. English Wikinews is independent from Spanish Wikinews, let alone Nicaraguan news. Our policies likewise differ too. No-one is obligated to help you, as this is a community-driven project by willing volunteers. If you can write an article, in light of the ample hindrances precluding the publication of your original effort, with such updates, they will be judged wholesomely and impartially in the fulness of time, and assistance lent where appropriate and possible. But the bulk of effort needs to come from you. JJLiu112 (talk) 04:05, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply



I saw this edit. There's only one Wikimedia (WMF). Perhaps you confused it with Mediawiki. Either way, both logos are appropriate. One is black&white with text, the other color without text. Cheers, SVTCobra 18:49, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Well, there is a Wikimedia community also. I thought that was a community logo but apparently this one is it. Heavy Water (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Article for review


Just wanted to tell you in-case you were unaware, my article is due to go stale in 2 days. It'd be well appreciated if you had a look at it. No pressure of course, it's just an article, but just wanted to ask. Also, tell me if I'm breaking some policy by asking you to review it. I hope I'm not! Thanks in advance. Commemorative1 (talk) 13:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

You are not "breaking policy" but it is something we are all aware of, so it is not like Heavy or any other reviewer is not aware already. Reviewing an article actually takes more time than writing one. I don't even have a count for the number of articles I have "lost" due to the staleness clock running out. I know this doesn't sound encouraging, but keep your chin up. Cheers, SVTCobra 13:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Soccer story


Will this be able to be published before being considered stale? Thank you. HushPuppie280 (talk) 12:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I still think this reads poorly, as mentioned in the review comments. If you fix it up and resubmit it, I can re-review it. Heavy Water (talk) 15:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Accreditation request


Hi, Just to let you know, I've requested accreditation. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, questions, etc. about this. Asheiou (talk) 15:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I'll take a look. I see from enwiki you record audio pronunciations. You might find resurrecting Audio Wikinews interesting, the last recording was done in August 2021. Heavy Water (talk) 16:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I think that could be a good use of my time, yeah! I had been considering it, actually. Asheiou (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Do you have time/energy for any reviews?


I have expressed interest in a couple of the submissions, but I am really worn out right now. Cheers, SVTCobra 00:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I'm burnt out as well not going to lie the one story I've been working on thnx again to SVT is messy I know but it would be my first published article here on wikinews. Thank you all for the help. HushPuppie280 (talk) 00:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I honestly feel the same as both of you myself, which is why I'm writing Study: Human bone from Laotian cave as old as 86,000 years, suggesting earlier emigration from Africa than DNA instead of reviewing. It's a testament to how hard Pi worked for years he could single-handedly review more than we can now with three fairly-active reviewers. To be fair, he had Acagastya writing at very high speeds for several of those years. Heavy Water (talk) 02:33, 15 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for all your help! HushPuppie280 (talk) 12:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Spoken Wikinews


Hello, I might try and revive Spoken Wikinews as you suggested. I'll probably record my first article tonight, once pollen levels have started to drop! My hayfever gets really bad this time of year (which is why I stopped with the Spoken Wikipedia) but because news articles are shorter I'll most likely be able to record some without sounding like someone's holding my nose eheh. Thanks for your suggestion! Asheiou (talk) 15:33, 15 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Pride categories


Why exactly are we creating entire category trees? SVTCobra 19:43, 20 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Well, it has more than sufficient articles and can be used on two articles currently in the review queue; isn't that why we usually do so? Heavy Water (talk) 00:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I am sorry, I just saw RC and made the above comment. I thought initially you had created events, festivals, and parades, each as a separate category. I see now they are just redirects. Please disregard my comment. Cheers, SVTCobra 10:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Oh. No problem. Heavy Water (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Before I continue populating Category:Pride festivals, let me ask you this: Do you think we should change it to Category:Pride events and have parades, festivals, etc. redirect there, instead of the other way around? Cheers, SVTCobra 19:45, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Asheiou:, you might also have some input here. Cheers, SVTCobra 20:10, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, that makes sense. I actually chose "festivals" instead of "parades" to maximize what could be included as well. Heavy Water (talk) 20:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the ping - Pride events seems like the best option imo, that would allow a larger range of events - say, if an organisation hosts a newsworthy meetup for LGBTQ people, that would count as a "pride event" despite it not being a pride festival. I'd support Category:Pride events with redirs from parade/festival Asheiou (talk) 21:20, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the input. I think we have a consensus. I will begin implementing. Cheers, SVTCobra 21:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I have created Category:Pride events but not moved anything, yet. I chose a different image than the one on Category:Pride festivals. While I loved the multiple flags, it seemed like only one subgroup was represented. Anyway, while I work on some different stuff, I hope you can give a yea or nay on my intro an choice of image. Cheers, SVTCobra 22:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I didn't think of that, it looks better. Heavy Water (talk) 22:42, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I should have been more careful with the redirects. Thanks for catching that. Cheers, SVTCobra 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Review request


Are you not going to review this? It will become outdated. Asked42 (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Asked42, there are three articles I have to review (one of those you see is mine, so I obviously can't review it). I hope to do so in the freshness window for all, but I'm especially busy this week. Heavy Water (talk) 00:31, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply



I want to nominate you for admin. If I do, would you accept? (This is not a carrot for my lack of time to review, but I need assistance here and I trust you to fix the typos you find in the archives ... I have thought so for a while). Cheers, SVTCobra 03:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SVTCobra: Um...no. I've only really been here for about 11 months...I wouldn't yet trust my judgement, honestly, on gray areas like what the maximum edits really acceptable to an archived article or, perhaps more importantly, on blocks and stuff like that. I may feel more comfortable with that by, at the least, late fall. I'm very happy to hear you have that level of trust in me, though. Honestly, I think if it remains just you performing sysop actions at this activity level, we'll be OK. The edit requests are far from urgent. Good luck with the job hunt.
And sorry I took 24 hours to respond; this totally came out of left field for me (like your nomination of me for reviewer, did I ever tell you I was thinking I'd end up nominating myself about now?) and I lost and then recovered my phone in the middle of an insanely busy day, so. Heavy Water (talk) 03:11, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Dialectal conventions


Per British English dialectal convention, please do not remove the "on" next to my dates in future if you can help it! From what I've read around the website, consensus is to respect the initial contributor's dialect, except when writing about a topic with a strong link to a certain dialect (eg. articles about the UK should be written in BrE, US in AmE, etc). Cheers! Asheiou (talk) 15:07, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

That's a dialectal variation? Odd, because I actually learned of the removal of "on" from a reviewer who uses British English herself. I'll try to remember that in the future. I don't remove the "on" when it's already there, but I also haven't written dates with an "on" when changing "yesterday" or "today" to a relative or cardinal date. Heavy Water (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
It's definitely dialectal as per Midlands English. Maybe some dialects do it differently, but the BBC always includes it. Asheiou (talk) 21:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

truck crash in Kenya


sources say the "truck" caused the accident, it swerved off the road??? HushPuppie280 (talk) 21:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Replied on its talk page. Heavy Water (talk) 21:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply



Apologies again. HushPuppie280 (talk) 22:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply



Im frustrated at myself for putting you through this! .... HushPuppie280 (talk) 22:33, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Don't be. Heavy Water (talk) 22:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
well i still am, but thank you for not being to mad.... Thanks. HushPuppie280 (talk) 22:35, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply



just curious, but seen around anywhere? Thanks. HushPuppie280 (talk) 22:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

SVTCobra has been busy IRL. Heavy Water (talk) 03:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply



Seems like a good new user, i told IMR to seek you, sorry if I'm pushing to much on you at once. HushPuppie280 (talk) 23:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

I replied there. Heavy Water (talk) 03:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for another good review


Regarding the article US Supreme Court blocks stay on federal regulation on privately made firearms; thank you for another good review. It's clear you comb through the sources carefully. Regarding this edit, I was convinced I had that right but after re-reading the source I realized I misread it. Wikinews should clone you. ツ

When you say 'distance' in your summaries, what do you mean?

Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Published) 14:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Michael.C.Wright: Heh, thanks. By "distance" I mean distance from source. So, ensuring phrases aren't identical to phrases in the sources/a source (I think there may have been one of those here) — there's some maxim about how there should be no phrases identical to source phrases longer than three consecutive words, with obvious exceptions like people's titles — and ensuring they aren't too similar to source phrases, cf. WN:PILLARS' "Choose your own ordering of the facts you choose to include, based on your understanding of the story. Avoid imitating phrase or sentence structure, or distinctive turns of phrase or word choices." I learned most of what I know from reading archived discussions, edit histories, and review comments. Heavy Water (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

No ArbCom nominees?


As I see, no one is nominated at Wikinews:Arbitration Committee/2023 election. George Ho (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yep. As I had volunteered for the Election Committee, I couldn't do so, but around mid-July on Wikinews:Water cooler/policy I pinged a few editors who I knew to be active then and asked them to make nominations, but nothing came of it. Well, nothing's been brought to ArbCom since 2010, so hopefully we won't need it for another year and will have a sufficient contributor base for Wikinews to conduct an election in 2024. Heavy Water (talk) 17:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
So the members of ArbCom will remain, right? George Ho (talk) 01:42, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Well, there was no election in 2022 either. But arbs' terms are fixed, so I think ArbCom has simply ceased to exist. Heavy Water (talk) 02:30, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Shall we announce the ArbCom as disbanded or something? I don't want others to think that it still exists in this project. George Ho (talk) 05:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I'll put a {{xambox}} on WN:ARBCOM. Heavy Water (talk) 14:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Wikinews:Archive conventions says published articles should not undergo "significant" edits after 24 hours. It is my understanding this applies to things like new information or details. I don't think the rule covers things like minor wording changes. --Ixfd64 (talk) 19:48, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Well, some Wikinewsies would place the "significant" bar low enough for rewordings like yours to be above it (I think Pi zero saw it that way) and others would agree with you. When I was a newbie, the latter camp was more prominent, so I presumed consensus must have loosened from a few years before. But I, personally, agree more with the former nowadays. As I said in my edit summary, I think this should be a topic of discussion (along with how much reviewer can edit a published article and still self-sight those edits — WN:Reviewing articles says such edits must be no more substantive than would be permissible if the article were archived, but I observe attitudes have loosened). Heavy Water (talk) 05:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
There's {{correction}} if anyone hasn't yet noticed. George Ho (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I don't think it's confusing enough for a {{correction}}. Heavy Water (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Satellite images show China building airstrip in South China Sea: AP source is not stale


I noticed your comment on Talk:Satellite images show China building airstrip in South China Sea. I would like tobring to your attention that while the source was published on the 16th, it has since been updated. Cheers! HowFunky! (talkcontribs) 18:44, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

HowFunky!: Yes, I noticed that. But, comparing the current version of that article with the earliest Wayback Machine snapshot of it (from August 16), the only differences I see are the addition of the images being first reported by The Drive (which clearly would've happened before the AP published), and a change of "the Paracel group" to "the Paracels" midway through the article. Alone, a source being updated to cover preceding events doesn't qualify as new information retaining the focal event's freshness, in my opinion. To borrow WN:NEWINFO's example, in Magnitogorsk apartment building collapses after explosion, dozens dead the new information was a new development, specifically the end of rescue (of note, without that information the story would have been stale based on significant new developments, not the five-to-seven-day freshness window like in this case, but I think it's still relevant). Heavy Water (talk) 19:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Animeleague Birmingham


Hiya, I'm attending Animeleague Birmingham tomorrow (as in general Sundays tend to be quieter, so I can hopefully get some better quality interviews). I noticed that there's a Q&A panel with a couple of voice actors, do you think it'd be a good idea to attend it and then post the Q&A on the article? I also think getting some interviews in with some cosplayers at the event could be fun! To be entirely honest, I'm not really "into" anime culture, but this is quite a big event happening so it's definitely worth reporting on. I'm nervous about it because it's my first major "in the field" reporting job, but it should go well! Ash Thawley (talk) (calendar) 09:18, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, that sounds great! Zanimum has filed a few stories from anime conventions (see Category:Anime conventions) and other fan conventions (see Category:Fan conventions) in Ontario, so they might have advice for you; myself, I've never done "real", on-the-scene OR. As long as you're aware of any restrictions placed on you regarding commercial use of the images and personality rights. Heavy Water (talk) 16:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply



Just wanted to say hello. 😊 HushPuppie280 (talk) 16:21, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hurricane Idalia story


hey heavy i just wanted to ask if the story has any chance whatsoever to being published? I worked my best on it. Didn't want to ask for another review because i don't want to be annoying. Thanks in advance. HushPuppie280 (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

HushPuppie280: Well, Idalia has now been downgraded to a tropical storm, so the focus needs to be updated to that. This is more than just adding the information to the story. It has to be restructured ("gatwicked"), as Wikinews:Gatwicking outlines. Asking for re-review, if you think you've addressed the problems with the story, is not at all annoying; the article is unlikely to be published unless you do so when you think it's ready. Like I said in the review comments, covering hurricanes is hard enough for the very experienced, especially with having to coordinate with a reviewer to get the story published; it's certainly harder when you haven't had much experience — the first couple articles that are at least submitted for review, I'd say, are the hardest. So don't feel discouraged. Heavy Water (talk) 02:30, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the reply. HushPuppie280 (talk) 02:31, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply



Sorry, Heavy Water, I will try to not make all these redirects. Sorry for you to have to deal with the errors. Thank you. HushPuppie280 (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Starting fresh???


Im going to try to write a new story, just to let you know. Also I'm really trying to put effort into the writing! Thanks. HushPuppie280 (talk) 17:07, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

New template


Hello Heavy Water, I hope you're doing well 🙂 I'm sorry I haven't communicated for awhile, I've been busy on Wikipedia on a few projects that I'm just finishing up. I've been toying with the idea of making a userbox template to display when an article of yours gets translated into a different language, in my case, Esperanto. I recently just went ahead and did it (Here's the template: Template:Article translated to Esperanto) and wanted to know if you wanted one yourself, or if I should continue to make more some other languages. Cheers! Johnson524 (talk) 02:46, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Johnson524: Hope you are as well. I see you have two more GAs on Wikipedia! DeepStateMap is awesome. Template's also cool (I wonder if that could inspire more translation efforts across Wikinews editions) — though I don't know if I'll use the template myself. Cheers, Heavy Water (talk) 05:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Sounds good, and thanks for the feedback! Also, I really appreciate your comment about the DeepStateMap article, that was my pride and joy to get to GA 😁 Cheers! Johnson524 (talk) 14:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
You're welcome. I sighted your cat edits, BTW. Heavy Water (talk) 16:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, I appreciate it! I still have a little more left to go, so if you could look at those when they come, that would be awesome. Johnson524 (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Coco Gauff story


I hope you or someone else could get around to possibly looking at it? Thanks. HushPuppie280 (talk) 14:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

I would probably get around to it in time if that story were to have a normal lifespan. But, from a glance at the ABC source, looks like she has a semifinal game today, and if still unpublished then it will need to be refocused (presumably you could refocus to her win or loss in whatever today's game is). Heavy Water (talk) 15:19, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Okay, I will try, Thank you. HushPuppie280 (talk) 18:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Should I even try to contribute anymore?


My luck, and writing doesn't seem to be working around here sadly...... HushPuppie280 (talk) 22:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

HushPuppie280: Please don't leave. The learning curve of getting an article to publication for the first time is the hardest to summit. Yes, we try to have high standards, and that makes good reporting a skill one must constantly strive for. But it's not impossible — if you try; do utilize the essays, policies, guidelines, and published articles available for reference. If you don't try, well, the article likely won't get published. If you do, in the worst case scenario the Grim Reaper of Staleness takes your article but you've gained valuable experience that substantially increase the likelihood your next gets published. Heavy Water (talk) 01:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Well thank you for the encouraging words!!! Appreciate that!!!! I'll stick around. Thanks. HushPuppie280 (talk) 01:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply



I think most of my articles are stale by now. Just a heads up, thanks. HushPuppie280 (talk) 21:23, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply



I lost my password! Im a dummy... Guess I will have to use my IP for now.... Apologies. (talk) 01:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Heh, definitely done that myself. My advice, when you reregister, would be to attach your email account to your Wikimedia account (helps with account recovery and other things). Heavy Water (talk) 03:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you very much!


Great to see the Tennis article a success! Thanks again! HushPuppie280, aka (talk) 20:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome (I forgot you'd lost the password to that when writing review comments, and so pinged it). Heavy Water (talk) 20:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. (talk) 20:41, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

This alt account.


Hey HW, i made an alternate account i will remember my password this time, Thanks. Looking to writing more stories soon! HushPuppie2800 (talk) 19:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Resetting password


Heavy Water sorry to say but resetting my password isn't working for some strange reason. I'll try to keep this account, I can remember this current password I have created. I think you know what User this is.... Apologies. OhhLord (talk) 02:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

I hope I am not going to blocked... OhhLord (talk) 02:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
No, you would certainly not be. Heavy Water (talk) 02:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Appreciate it. OhhLord (talk) 02:18, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

bully dog story.


thanks for trying to review! OhhLord (talk) 00:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ghana story


hi heavy water, I have a quick question, is the story I am working on stale? I think it's one day old. Okay thank you. OhhLord (talk) 02:08, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

just thought I'd let you know I submitted for a review, i see your busy so ill be patient, thank you. OhhLord (talk) 02:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
signing off for now, talk to you soon. Take care. OhhLord (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
If it is one day old, it's not stale. Cf. WN:Freshness. But it needs to include the when in the lede. Heavy Water (talk) 03:16, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Ok, thank you. OhhLord (talk) 05:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
added the "when". OhhLord (talk) 05:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

ghana story


thank you for the review, i tried to reword some. If you think another review is ok im fine with that, i thought I would come to you first! OhhLord (talk) 01:24, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Story about nobel prize winner Katalin Karikó


cnn says that nobel prize winner Katalin Karikó is a professor at the University of Pennsylvania. But a quote by Karikó herself at wikiquote says this: I left the University of Pennsylvania after 24 years of work, without ever having had a proposal for a professorship or a permanent contract.

It may be gossip for some, but I believe this points out a bigger problem at American universities which are now simply competing with private enterprise and no longer involved in basic research. Do you think this is. an interesting article for someone (not me) to write for wikinews? Ottawahitech (talk) 00:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

La Repubblica is paywalled, so I can't verify that quote's presence there, but Wikipedia cites [2], which states she's an adjunct professor at UP (backed up by [3]), after 24 years of employment there. (I've added mention of her adjunct professorship to Wikipedia's biography's body).
If there's a story there, an investigation like that would be, in my opinion, hard to pull off well considering neutrality and the need for a solid focus (among my favorites of Wikinewsies' investigations: 'Fascinating' and 'provocative' research examines genetic elements of bipolar, schizophrenia, Syrian citizen journalists risk death, targeted; city of Homs facing starvation, and Wikinews investigates disappearance of Indonesian cargo ship Namse Bangdzod). It would probably center around interviews with researchers. Heavy Water (talk) 02:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hi again, I see on the news that a professor is involved in a mass shooting at Vegas. Here is something I picked on google (and did not read): 3 UNLV faculty members were killed in the Las Vegas campus shooting. I have not followed this story (too busy right now), but wonder if anyone else on Wikinews is trying to write a Wikinews article on the subject?
btw - you should name your usertalkpage the new watercooler :-)
Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yes. "the new watercooler" — Haha! Heavy Water (talk) 20:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Morgan State University shooting


If you get a chance, please check out my story. I think I did an okay job, thanks. OhhLord (talk) 09:03, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Noted. Heavy Water (talk) 21:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Morgan State Shooting


I added in 2 shooters and cash reward... Any better to be published? Thanks. OhhLord (talk) 03:05, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Well, you haven't added a third source, which I'm near-certain is needed. At any rate I won't be available to review for several more hours. Heavy Water (talk) 05:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Israel under massive Hamas attack in wikinews in Spanish please


Hello, could you move the title of this article from Más de 200 heridos y al menos 22 muertos en el ataque de Hamás a Israel to Israel bajo el ataque masivo de Hamás in wikinews in Spanish please

Hello, could you move the title of this article from More than 200 injured and at least 22 dead in Hamas attack on Israel to Israel under massive Hamas attack in wikinews in Spanish please. (talk) 16:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Lo siento, no sabo las políticas de Wikinoticias en español, así que no sabo si su prohíben revisiones tardes como eso o si tu título es bueno bajo sus políticas. Tal vez Ezarate puede asistir. Heavy Water (talk) 20:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
The title "Israel bajo el ataque masivo de Hamás" isn't adequate under eswikinews policies, Regards!! --Esteban (talk) 22:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Checking revision of redirect to CATs


Iirc, Pi zero had adviced, for pages like FC Barcelona which redirects to CAT:FC Barcelona, don't check the revision of FC Barcelona. •–• 05:18, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Alright. Heavy Water (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Moving CATs


Please don't move CATs. If CAT:Foo needs to be moved to CAT:Bar, we need to add CAT:Bar to every article which mentions CAT:Foo, then remove CAT:Foo and then at the end we delete CAT:Foo. •–• 05:26, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

OK. I think, knowing what moving cats entailed, I had asked an admin previously...I don't know why I didn't this time. More on procedure, I somehow only recently discovered I shouldn't create a mainspace redirect before a cat is filled, even though in hindsight it feels like that would be obvious. Sorry. Heavy Water (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

New cat to be created...


Hi, I just noticed we don't have Cat:Nike and sooner or later we need to create it. Should you find "copious free time" (:P), can you undertake that one? •–• 05:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

I'll put it on my list. Heavy Water (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hello heavy water, I translated your article Opposition National Unity legislators join Israeli government amid war with Palestinian Hamas militants to wikinews in Spanish, greetings, if you can connect it (talk) 23:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ah, excellent! I don't want to connect it to Wikidata yet though, as it's my personal preference not to do so until the article is published, because before then it has not been reviewed to become exported content of the project. Heavy Water (talk) 23:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
prefect, very sad what is happening lately in Israel and the Gaza Strip190.219.223.174 (talk) 00:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. Everyone involved ends up suffering. Heavy Water (talk) 01:10, 14 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Off-topic, but...


I was looking at RC and saw changes on your userpage. And I saw your wikipedia userpage after that. And the natural question becomes, are you vegan? If you don't want to reply publicly, I am on IRC too (I regained access, as you might have seen me mention on my talk). And that reminds me, I have to set up your wn-reporters. Let me know what time works for you. (I will be in office for good chunk of hours, but I can still tell you the procedure.) (talk) 05:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, actually. Like you, if I recall correctly. I can be on IRC until maybe 1500 UTC, then again around 0300 to 0500 UTC. Heavy Water (talk) 14:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
I missed the 1500 UTC window. But well, whenever you come on IRC, ping me. My nick is acagastya.
2401:4900:1CC4:C3FB:958E:D27A:65EA:151C (talk) 17:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hello, why don't you update the portal, the recent news that appears there is from the month of September and we are in the month of October. Greetings--Ucriblt89 (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ucriblt89: Hi. It is updated — in fact, the "Latest news" section at the right is automatically updated when an article is published, although the leads, in the middle, are edited manually. The problem is we haven't published anything since September. You're more than welcome to write an article here, yourself, if possible (just please don't use Google Translate for it). Heavy Water (talk) 18:44, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
I don't know how to speak Spanish. Now create an article in wikinews in English. If you have an account in Wikipedia in Spanish, please help me merge an article about the massacre in Reim, Israel.--Ucriblt89 (talk) 21:33, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
I gladly would if I had the time. But I could ask the same of you. (I reckoned you might be a speaker of predominantly Spanish rather than English based on your contributions to Spanish Wikinews and wanted to preemptively warn you using machine translation is problematic; it was poorly phrased, I guess.) Heavy Water (talk) 00:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

I still don't understand why with you the articles are not published and the ones you have created do not have to review and approve the articles, there are too many in lists and the cover is still outdated ?--Ucriblt89 (talk) 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

nor have you published those that you have created excuse my English--Ucriblt89 (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

I cannot and will not self-publish articles. That would be a violation of en.wn's core principle of independent peer review. And we have published an interview this week. Heavy Water (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi there.


hello Heavy Water, how are you? I hope you're not to busy.... But if you are I understand. Lots happening recently I see, I created a new story but did not send it for review yet for many reasons. I do write sloppy most of the time, I did appreciate the published story on CoCo Gauff (tennis)! Anyways just hopefully can you check out the rough draft, thanks and take care. OhhLord (talk) 01:30, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I'm alright, I hope you are as well. I am busy, in fact. At a glance, it could use an image (try c:Category:Luis Díaz (Colombian footballer), or a location mentioned), more cats, and an infobox. I likely won't have time to review it until Tuesday UTC; there's another story in the queue that demands my attention as it's now on its last day of staleness (in UTC, which en.wn operates on). Heavy Water (talk) 04:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
I understand, thank you for the reply. Take care. OhhLord (talk) 15:14, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hamburg, Germany story.


I fix some things.... OhhLord (talk) 00:49, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

hi heavy water i changed the lede for you, bests. MissedJetliner (talk) 03:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

what's the point than???


WikiNews has gone downhill fast with ips vandalise something needs to be done or.... I don't want to retire from WN but like you said im wasting my time. MissedJetliner (talk) 18:18, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Why would you retire from Wikinews because spam exists? I only said you were wasting your time in listing every IP he's used on AAA. Heavy Water (talk) 18:34, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Okay, Thank you. MissedJetliner (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Before I continue....


Hi, what more can I add into the story? I have hit a brick wall for now... Do I need information just on UNRWA, or...? Thanks. MissedJetliner (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

I hope there's no Copyvio here... Let know if I do.... Thank you. MissedJetliner (talk) 18:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Well, what else is in the sources you already have? Then, yeah, more information on UNRWA — what is it, what's it doing, what's it saying about the situation. The second sentence apparently direct-quotes ABC, which is verboten because it's a media outlet not involved in the story. Heavy Water (talk) 18:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
So I delete the quotes? MissedJetliner (talk) 18:30, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Quotes of someone "involved in the story" (like Lazzarini), rather than a media outlet, are not a problem. But the quote of ABC is. Heavy Water (talk) 18:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Joe Biden wants to complete his goals


I can't find a different source. MissedJetliner (talk) 20:09, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

It's an overview of his positions, and so wouldn't be a workable focus for us, anyhow. Heavy Water (talk) 20:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
K. MissedJetliner (talk) 20:52, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Pro-ceasefire protestors block bridges


Hey there! You just reviewed the article "Demanding a ceasefire, pro-Palestine supporters blockade bridges in Boston and San Francisco". I made the changes for the referenced articles. Previously, both sources had AP contribution. Now, I referenced one direct AP source while changing the other to "LA Times". Also, now the article does not have more than 4 word phrases from referenced sources. Le Priyavrat (talk) 10:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Isn't LA Times paywalled??? TibbleTwinz (talk) 16:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
It looks like they allow fifteen free articles before imposing a paywall. WN:CS says, "Only published sources that someone else could reasonably be able to check can be used. It is acceptable to link to sites that require free registration, but never those that request payment to view content on the site." (And of course, whatever the situation, the reviewer has to be able to access the source.) I think that is usually interpreted as prohibiting sources which allow only a few free articles (which is most paywalled sites, in my experience, so that would only make sense). Heavy Water (talk) 17:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Former U.S. first lady Rosalynn Carter dies at 96


You can publish this article, I see it quite well, what else is needed in Former U.S. first lady Rosalynn Carter dies at 96 it has good handwriting, this neutral has journalistic sources.--Ucriblt89 (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Cricket (sport) article


I have tagged a review on it because it might have been abandoned but doesn't count it out. Hope you understand, thanks. SkruhKidd2 (talk) 01:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

It is not just abandoned, the current focal event is stale. Heavy Water (talk) 01:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
ohh, i wish I knew that before I worked on it, Ugh... But thanks for letting me know. SkruhKidd2 (talk) 01:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
So, there is no saving this? It will be deleted??... SkruhKidd2 (talk) 01:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
If it is not somehow refreshed, yes. Heavy Water (talk) 01:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough, Thank you. SkruhKidd2 (talk) 01:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Russian article im currently writing.


I might have messed up the sources but I think I have two separate stories. What should I do? Stop writing? Thank you, and sorry for the constant messaging!!! SkruhKidd2 (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yes, it appears those are two separate stories. You could choose one to use as the focal event but mention the other further down the inverted pyramid. I would discourage you from using the Daily Fail though. Heavy Water (talk) 05:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Derek Chauvin stabbing story.


I added recent source with information on inmate that stabbed Chauvin. Thanks for the review! SkruhKidd2 (talk) 01:28, 2 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

my OCD


Is bad right now, so I will be using this account. Sorry for disturbing you. CactusJack8310 (talk) 17:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you'll be doing alright soon. Heavy Water (talk) 03:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Appreciate it. CactusJack8310 (talk) 03:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
i trying..... BigKrow (talk) 22:12, 9 December 2023 (UTC)