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SorryEdit

I was created a page with "User name policy".Opologies for that.

I will start the discussion about "Prohibeted user names" on the following page .Thanq

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:Username

(Tricorner (talk) 07:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC))

ddEdit

Google discontinues cooperation with HuaweiEdit

Hi. Whilst lurking in the background, I came across what I think was an error by the abuse filter: Special:AbuseLog/10562. I might be wrong but it looks like the user was trying to create a genuine article and was prevented from doing so. I have created the article and left them a note, but I thought it might be worth sharing with you. —Green Giant (talk) 06:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

@Green Giant: I've never been fluent in abuse-filter-ese. Curiously, the entire article was afaics a copyvio of the second source; I've removed the offending text, tagged the article, and written up reviewer comments on the article talk. --Pi zero (talk) 13:20, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Ah, it didn’t occur to me it might be a copyvio. As for the filter, I think we should keep an eye on it and if anything like this happens again I’ll ask at Phabricator. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 14:10, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

ThankyouEdit

Thankyou Note: Thankyou Pi zero for helping me out by providing me with the pillars of Wikinews. Much appreciated!--FightingForRight (talk) 07:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)


delete my accountEdit

Hi, can you permanently delete my user page and also the discussion page ?? User:Massimo Jorge Chiacchio 20:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Massimo Jorge Chiacchio: Seeing no difficulty in principle, deleted. --Pi zero (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

thank you (Anonimo) 22:5, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Accreditation request: Deh SaaduddinEdit

Hi! Thank you for your comment and vote on my accreditation request. I am willing to contribute to Wikinews with passion. However, in my early request, I have not mentioned interests relative to Wikinews but if you are able to check my user ID in Wikipedia, it proves that I am sincerely and willing to contribute to WikiNews and all projects of WikiMedia Foundation. I truly love Wiki community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dehgel (talkcontribs) 13:50, 10 June 2019‎ (UTC)

How you read newsEdit

I would like to read news every day, and am looking for help. How do you read your news? What software do you use? (I use mPages RSS client for Firefox, but I would be happy to learn what you use.) --Gryllida (talk) 00:22, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gryllida: I subscribe to some blogs, but only one of them is at all systematically related to news (it's about journalism). I semi-watch some TV news. It used to be, when I went looking for news stories to cover on Wikinews, and looking for sources for those stories, I'd use the Google news aggregator — but as I've been trying to get back into writing here just recently, I find the gnews interface is almost useless compared to what it used to be, because instead of listing all the articles available on a story, they seem to have decided to provide just one article on each story. I've been experimenting with DuckDuckGo, but if there's a way to get good news-ish results from that engine, I haven't figured it out yet. --Pi zero (talk) 01:48, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing this, Pi zero. I didn't get the thought about google news. Please give me example search query and example result (and how it would be better to have it differently) Gryllida (talk) 02:31, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Well... now that you ask, I'm looking again at gnews output and not finding the problem I had last weekend. So I'm not sure what the difficulty was, there; I'm wondering if I could somehow have effectively disabled javascript. --Pi zero (talk) 02:37, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Counter-nominationEdit

Not sure if it is permitted by the election rules but I’d like to counter-nominate you for ArbCom, if you are willing to stand. — Green Giant (talk) 06:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@Green Giant: I am indeed willing to stand. I'd be honored if you would nominate me. I see no obstacle; even self-nomination is not terribly uncommon, the de facto basic need being for confirmation of the nominee's willingness to stand. --Pi zero (talk) 06:50, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Can we get a bot that reports latest news on special page?Edit

I think the title says it all, I was thinking of keeping up withsources of news by fetching links and putting them on a special page, and that in theory should help the working of Wikinews. Let me know if there's any complication (note: maybe this is the wrong place to place a suggestion.) --Hoo lee sheet (talk) 13:53, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Asking the question here doesn't bother me. As it happens, bots aren't my thing; perhaps Gryllida might have a thought on this? --Pi zero (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
There is a news feed at ##news (and there was another one at #wikinews-feeds ) at the chat that may be of interest.
  • http://www.kiwiirc.com/client/chat.freenode.net after connecting, move your mouse over 'freenode' and click the '+' sign, there specify the channel name with one or two hashes as needed (this is important to have the correct number of hashes)
Let me know if you'd like to resume the one at #wikinews-feeds, I think the original bot owner disappeared and I can run a replacement.
Alternatively I think that it is possible to output this to a special page, if IRC is not convenient for some reason. If so, I would also like to know this. Gryllida (talk) 23:53, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply. as for the channel ##news, I think it's enough, but for convenience maybe it's better to make one specifically made for wikinewsies.
IRC doesn't bother me as it was ported to all major platforms. The main concern here I think is whether ##wikinews-feed should continue or not. Let me know if the effort worth the benefits otherwise ##news is enough. --Hoo lee sheet (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

my pageEdit

i a sorry about the page i posted it is my first time posting and i tryed my best.please dont be mad at me. also the page wont be resubmitted for review Conor200673 (talk) 16:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC) Conor200673

@Conor200673: Not to worry. Starting out at Wikinews, one has to learn the basics, to get to where one can write simple articles and they'll pass review. Once you reach that point, things typically get much easier (not that we ever stop learning). --Pi zero (talk) 16:37, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Special permission?!Edit

Hi Pi zero,

Can you grant me a special permission to insult one of the wikinewsies. --Don't call 911 (talk) 19:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Lol. Folks can sometimes get on each other's nerves, especially in the intense environment of a newsroom. Which wikinewsie do you wish to insult, and why? --Pi zero (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Not anyone really. I was thinking if you grant me an insult attack, I can hang it up in my user page to intimidate whoever wants to challenge me (Something like "Weapons: Insult (x1)"). Now that I think about it, I shouldn't have played that game for +5 hours straight. Btw do you issue insult permissions? --Don't call 911 (talk) 23:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@WhaatTF: We ask people not to make things unnecessarily personal. Note that, instead of Assume Good Faith, we have Never assume. That page did not exist in the early days. We had no AGF, but no explicit replacement for it either. And we found out the hard way that an explicit replacement is needed — the social stability of the community requires it. It's not an accident that our Never assume page emphasizes civility. "Treat people as well as circumstances allow, even when (as will sometimes, sadly, happen) it becomes necessary to escort them to the exit." --Pi zero (talk) 00:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
@Pi zero: And hence the saying "When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me." Thank you for your tolerance. you really doing an awesome job running this community! --Don't call 911 (talk) 00:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Interview's transcriptEdit

The transcript of the first thirteen minutes of the audio is now available. The plan is, I will email you the markdown file. I would hope you copyedit the markdown file and send me in the morning, my time (before you go to sleep). I will put it on GitHub to compare the differences, and hopefully, finish the entire thing tomorrow night.
•–• 21:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

I have no idea whether I'll be able to meet this schedule; we'll see. --Pi zero (talk) 22:52, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Alas. I chose to review the tropical-storm article, which seemed a plausible choice as it was obviously going to go stale very quickly, and it chewed up my evening (the review didn't turn out to be as easy as I'd hoped). --Pi zero (talk) 03:45, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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•–• 15:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Trying my best. --Pi zero (talk) 15:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

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Just wanted to know if you were on it, or chose not to.
•–• 16:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

NewsroomEdit

Hi. What is with the section "In Category:Published without formal review" in the newsroom? I looked at a few of them and they looked fine. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Huh?? There shouldn't ever be anything in that section... <goes to look> --Pi zero (talk) 00:01, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: I'd say they have just released an "upgrade" to the software platform that fucks up by failing to exclude sighted pages. I wouldn't dare point it out to them, because I wouldn't trust them not to just make things even worse. But we should disable that section of the newsroom for now, since with the DPL not working right the output is worse than useless. --Pi zero (talk) 00:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
OK, I just uploaded a screenshot, but I'll delete it again since it seems you see the problem. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:12, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Empty dated categoriesEdit

Why are empty dated categories kept? --DannyS712 (talk) 02:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

The infrastructure is set up on the expectation that all date categories exist. It's easier to be able to rely on them all being there; which is in contrast to the situation with topic categories, where adding more of them increases the administrative overhead of maintaining the topic hierarchy (though we're very careful, when creating new topic categories, to minimize this increase). --Pi zero (talk) 02:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh. Also, I took a look at Category:United States and as wondering if I could try to reorganize it to decrease that overhead - eg separating out categories related to the government to Category:United States government, or creating a new category for all of the individual people categories. Thoughts? --DannyS712 (talk) 03:15, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
I've thought about that possibility myself, but haven't acted on it because it would make that part the hierarchy a lot harder to maintain. More complicated = a lot harder to maintain. Keeping everything very simple is a priority. (It used to be we were very hesitant to create new categories at all, before deployment of the {{w}} template, whose interaction with the category infrastructure is multi-faceted.) --Pi zero (talk) 03:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Is there a better place to suggest this? There is also Category:2007 Cricket World Cup that I just found - other than Bob Woolmer not murdered, says Scotland Yard detectives, which in my opinion doesn't belong in that category, the other articles should be removed from the parent categories (cricket and 2007). Where is the best place to discuss this? --DannyS712 (talk) 03:34, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't follow you. I've explained in broad terms some of the primal reasons we mostly don't do intersection categories. Cases where we do are generally grandfathered, case where it was done in the very early days of the project before the reasons not to were fully appreciated. I'm not sure what point you're making about the 2007 Cricket World Cup category. (Looking at that article, it does seem to be connected to that event, btw.) It's a specific event; we do have categories, sometimes, about specific events. We a separate category for each US presidential election. There's a tension, btw, between our desire to avoid interaction categories which tend to make the category hierarchy unmanageable, and the inadequacy of the formal intersection of two categories. As a small illustration of the latter, we have a Category:Politics and conflicts, and a Category:Canada, but an article may properly belong to both of those categories yet not belong in a hypothetical Category:Canadian politics category. The difference between those two is really quite subtle — and whenever possible we want to avoid introducing into our category infrastructure any subtle considerations that aren't already in there. --Pi zero (talk) 03:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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