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Boss for Real Madrid Julen Lopetegui warns Messi not to doubt squadEdit

Hi Pi when you get a chance could you look over my developing article on Real Madrid and Messi's comments on Madrid? thank you. I really hope to get it published! Krimpins (talk) 03:39, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Krimpins: Hi. I added some required elements. Those should be added automatically when creating an article using one of the article creation forms scattered about the site, such as the one at Wikinews:Writing an article.

You'll want to set up the source articles to use the {{source}} template: I provided a skeleton of a call to that template, which you complete by writing the values of the fields after the "=" on each line. The lede should be in past tense (like the rest of the article) and should be a short, to-the-point paragraph briefly summarizing the focal event by succinctly answering as many as reasonably possible of the WN:five Ws and an H; it should be written to be understood by an international audience, and should explain the significance of the event and show it's newsworthy (which includes freshness, so the lede should specify on what day the focal event occurred). If you haven't looked over Wikinews:Pillars of writing, I recommend it. --Pi zero (talk) 03:47, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Just wanted to inform you that I've done some 'clean-up' on the article. Leaderboard (talk) 04:27, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
@Krimpins: I looked at the article and was puzzled. The sources do not appear to be about the story reported. See my review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 04:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Block requestEdit

Hello, could you please block 185.46.76.35? This is a troll from he.wiki. Thanks, Guycn2 (talk) 17:14, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

@Guycn2: Why do you think this is a troll from he.wiki? I'd like to understand.

(It appears the IP is restoring explicit IP data to some pages, which is not necessarily wrong, as en.wn does not remove interwikis once the information is also available on Wikidata. It appears in this case to be information that did get removed, for some reason, and I'm not even sure why that happened; perhaps there was a reason that made sense at the time but I've now forgotten. At some point in the future we hope to have semi-automation to compare our local interwikis to what's on Wikidata, offering help to possibly correct any discrepancy between two two either by changing the local interwiki or by changing Wikidata; but we don't have that yet, and in the meantime, although we don't remove local interwikis as a rule, we mostly don't go to a whole lot of trouble to add them when they aren't already there, either.) --Pi zero (talk) 17:32, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

He/she was blocked on he.wiki a few years ago. Since then, he/she methodically reverts edits made by me and other editors using various IP addresses and usernames. This IP's global edits may be useful.
As for this specific edit, I removed these interwiki links in 2014 as they were moved to Wikidata and are no longer necessary. Guycn2 (talk) 17:38, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
@Guycn2: I did notice they reverted some edits of yours on en.wb that were in the opposite direction, so I'm willing to believe the point of the edits wasn't what they did to the pages involved but simply that they were undoing something you did.

As I mentioned, we don't, as a rule, remove interwikis here just because they're also on Wikidata. (We don't subscribe to the theory that local interwikis cease to serve a useful purpose when the information is also on Wikidata.) Just atm it's not a big deal, though, so I'm not particularly inclined to bother with undoing those removals; they'd need carefully checking anyway, since we don't yet have that semi-automation set up. --Pi zero (talk) 19:13, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the explanation. Regards, Guycn2 (talk) 19:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Airplane crashes into ocean in MicronesiaEdit

Hi Pi, I noticed you put the above article on indefinite SP as a "standard precaution". What's all that about? This is a 'Wiki' isn't it? BTW, I've done work on Wikipedia, but never anything here on Wikinews. Thanks. 5.81.164.16 (talk) 18:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, we're a wiki, though what we do is different from what Wikipedia does and there are various differences in procedure because of that. Our articles get semi-protected once published, which we didn't used to do until full archiving (when they're retired from the main page), but there's noticeably more random, senseless drive-by vandalism these past couple of years.

There's a compact overview of what we do here at Wikinews:Pillars of writing. If you're interested in contributing, we recommend registering a personal account, as users are, well, individuals on Wikinews in a sense that doesn't occur on Wikipedia; we're interested in each individual's accumulated reputation, and it's impossible to know for sure who we're dealing with unless you've got a registered personal account. (See Wikinews:Never assume.) --Pi zero (talk) 19:54, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Looks like you need to update or rewrite this: [ https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Protection_policy] (and remove the last line of it). It might also be appropriate to clarify that Jimbo's policy of "you can edit this article right now" doesn't apply here. 5.81.164.16 (talk) 20:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
That principle has exceptions even on Wikipedia. --Pi zero (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Since you wrote anonymously, I essentially have no way of contacting you.....but: would you like to start contributing here?--Bddpaux (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
No thanks. The environment is too restrictive and doesn't adhere to the fundamental principles of a wiki. Formerly user 5.81.164.16, now at IP 31.52.166.114 (talk) 13:10, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Don't mistake principles of Wikipedia for principles of all wikis. --Pi zero (talk) 14:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

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actually, the way they are saying, it is like they are applying enwp's style. dewp is very different in some cases (FR) or even eswp for not FU.
•–• 15:12, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

I was going to leave this, but what is meant by 'FU'? Apologies if it's so obvious and I've missed it? 31.52.166.114 (talk) 17:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Pretty sure that'd be "fair use". --Pi zero (talk) 17:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Have you read this??Edit

Wikinews:Requests for permissions top post by User:Leaderboard?? Interesting idea for light cleanup duties..... --Bddpaux (talk) 15:11, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

QueryEdit

G'day Pi zero, I don't edit on this project, but am an admin on en Wikipedia. Today someone created User:Peacemaker67/common.js on WikiNews, apparently using my account, and I was notified via the interwiki alerts system. I didn't create the page myself. I've obviously changed my password, but this is a little weird to say the least. Any ideas what was/is going on? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (talk) 09:30, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67: If you are an admin on enwp, and if 2FA seems to be a good idea, I would suggest you opt for that. I wonder if you received any on-wiki notification that your account was accessed from another device. In case if you happen to see what that script did, it ran a malicious JavaScript file from another host (see here) It is scary shit. Really scary thing, which affects many other projects too. I really urge you to change your password once again. Pinging someone who could be more helpful (@Bawolff:). (Also, it is "Wikinews", with the lower case 'n') I really hope there was no misuse of your account.
•–• 11:16, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
You might not be the only one. Leaderboard (talk) 14:21, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, we are aware of the situation. A large number of users who were loading w:User:Cameltrader/Advisor.js script were compromised. Since you changed your password you should be fine now. BWolff (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Peacemaker67 (talk) 00:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikinews:Request_an_interviewEdit

Has spam and personally-identifiable information. You may want to revdelete most of the revisions. Leaderboard (talk) 22:07, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Protection of talk pageEdit

Hi. Could you semi-protect my talk page due to ongoing vandalism? -- Tegel (talk) 12:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@Tegel: From the page history, I'm guessing one year is a plausible time scale. --Pi zero (talk) 12:51, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that would be great. I will add a banner later referring to my Meta talk page. -- Tegel (talk) 12:56, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for interfering with the 'under review' ...Edit

... I was reading and writing the review comment for the last several minutes but I had forgotten to mark the story as 'under review' first. I hope it has not resulted into an edit conflict or loss of work. --Gryllida (chat) 21:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Gryllida: No lost work. We should remember, when we finally do a dialog-based upgrade of the review tool, to have it check for edit conflicts, especially involving {{under review}}, when submitting a not-ready review. --Pi zero (talk) 21:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Three publications in four hoursEdit

 
A barnstar for you, for helping me keep my promises and commitments, and for the tireless effort!
•–• 00:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

AdminshipEdit

Do you think I'd be a candidate for it here? I'd be primarily interested in 1.) editing archives to add categories and 2.) blocking vandals (as I just undid vandalism by an IP). I'll happily go thru the process but it seems like it's not worth it if you don't think I'd pass. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:41, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

While you have been on WMF wikis for so long, Koavf, you might want to go through the comments for another request. link. Though you know some of the policies and bits of how the project works, adminship would require a deeper level of understanding, which would be best achieved by regular participation of getting the output. As simple as it may seem, the more you write, the more you discover the hidden challenges, which would be helpful for getting the insight an admin needs.
•–• 06:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
@Koavf: Well, it's true we've lately turned down several RFPs for admin. It's important to know what not to do with the admin priv here. I'd hung back replying to your inquiry, myself, figuring to let the idea settle in my mind and see what further thoughts I might have about it. But, in fairness, if acagastya isn't in favor (apparently not), there's a good chance the community would prefer not to push through your RFP over those objections. --Pi zero (talk) 06:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Sure. That makes sense from both of you. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:59, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Anonymous BlocksEdit

Hia Pi zero! I have the Satanism interview comments page on my watch list because it had a high vandalism rate back in the day, so I received an email when it was edited. I saw you'd already reverted the change - I'm almost never the "first one on the scene" to revert vandalism because of my schedule - but hadn't issued a temp block to the anonymous user who blanked the page. (That's fine, I'm critiquing my own thought process here, not yours.) Before I noticed you'd already dealt with it, my planned course of action was to revert the changes and give a 1 week block to the anon user. Is that incorrect because this was a single minor action by this IP, rather than a pattern of more serious vandalism? — Gopher65talk 22:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@Gopher65: Your choice, to block them for a week, would have been perfectly reasonable I think. Oddly, I don't recall actually considering whether to block; probably was distracted by vague possibilities for the editor's intentions other than vandalism. --Pi zero (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
@Gopher65: Okay, they did it again; benign scenarios rendered implausible. One-week block. --Pi zero (talk) 01:34, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Yup, no question after this. — Gopher65talk 04:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks...againEdit

I just wanted to thank you for accepting me here and working with me through the mistakes I made. I plan to appeal my block on Wikipedia soon, but I think I want to stick around here too. I do not understand why some editors give this place a bad rap; once I learned about “freshness” writing here became much more enjoyable—almost like being back on the main site. Again, your help is appreciated and even convinced me to not give up on editing Wikipedia.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 21:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheGracefulSlick: Collaborating with you on Wikinews is a pleasure, and I hope you do continue to contribute here, as well as wishing you well on your appeal at Wikipedia. (Btw, your latest article is now published; you can take a look at my review comments. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Middle East and continentsEdit

Iran is in Asia, and is a part of the Middle East too. Egypt is in Africa, and is a part of Middle East too. Being in one geographical region does not disqualify it from being a part of the seven continents. It is in both, at the same time. And we have a history of keeping them both together. Even though it is less prominent for the articles about ME, or MENA, that has been there for far east ME country (Iran) or far west ME country like Egypt. Russia and Turkey were categorised in both. There is no actual need to not include continents as Israel and Palestine both are in Asia.

And then, how do you determine which geopolitical area to consider? Why not create Middle East and North Africa too? Why have India in Asia when South East Asia will suit well? Yes, they are rhetorical questions, which I avoid. But use your head. Or maybe refer to a different atlas: plot the intersection of Asia and Middle East and answer objectively if they belong to, or not belong to the continents or not. Spare me the subjective answer and opinions.
•–• 06:22, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Iran is in the continent of Asia. It isn't in our news region that we call "Asia". We don't have a category for the continent of Asia, only for the news region that we call "Asia". If you're asking why, historically, Wikinews divided things up the way it did, I've a distant memory it had to do with how the UN had partitioned the globe for organizational purposes. Once our choice is established and stable, which it has been for many years, where it originally came from doesn't even necessarily matter. (We have occasionally tweaked the boundaries between regions, and I'm not even sure we should have done so; maybe we would have been better off just sticking with the partition originally chosen, e.g. keeping all of Turkey in the Asia region.) --Pi zero (talk) 06:46, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
You lost me at "Iran is in the continent of Asia."
•–• 06:47, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Also, Turkish football team is under UEFA, their clubs play in the UEFA competitions, so even if the significant part of Turkey in terms of area is in Asia, I don't know if I should hold my head or laugh at your statement: "keeping all of Turkey in the Asia region".
•–• 06:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
The answer to both is that I was speaking of geography. Geographically, Turkey straddles the boundary between the continents of Asia and Europe; most of it is in the continent of Asia, but a bit is in the continent of Europe. Iirc, Turkey used to be placed simply in our Asia news region, and I was speculating that perhaps that should have been kept in its original simple state, rather than adjusting it. The adjustment was motivated by the geography. --Pi zero (talk) 07:00, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
In fact, btw, my memory on that particular detail turns out to be somewhat faulty: the Turkey category seems to have quite a messy history, with regard to which regions it was in. It appears that, at least in that particular case, when I started long-term projects to straighten out our categorization in the archives, I chose to pursue the categorization of Turkey articles as its regionalization then stood. --Pi zero (talk) 07:19, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Next cat in lineEdit

One day OZ Labor Party category needs to be created. The sooner, the better. "Labor Party" search gives 252 results. 39 mainspace articles are linked to Austalian Labor Party.
•–• 10:10, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

TemplateEdit

Just to make sure, the develop template is not meant to come up automatically? at 07:33, 19 December 2018 (UTC) by Qwerty number1 (talk)

@Qwerty number1: The {{develop}} tag, the {{date}} tag, and the {{haveyoursay}} tag should all be provided by the article-creation form. As WN:PILLARS says, "When you first create an article, there should be a template {{develop}} at the top. From then on, there will always be at least one template on the article saying where it is in our news production process." --Pi zero (talk) 13:58, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Odd, I dont think it came up?Qwerty number1 (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Qwerty number1: Please take note, when using an article creation form, of whether things like that get done properly, and let us know. We need to know if there's every a problem with that sort of thing. For example, if there are some circumstances under which the wiki platform's built-in preload facility doesn't work right, we need to know when that is, so we can figure out from there what to do about it. We do have an alternative technology for such things (dialog), which we've only migrated to in a few cases so far. (A delay in implementing that is, we don't just want to implement it in a few cases, we want to develop ways of making it easy to implement.) --Pi zero (talk) 16:36, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Yep! Did not automatically come up on my device when I created new page. Had to add in myself. Used home page box. Qwerty number1 (talk) 16:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Qwerty number1: A mobile device? --Pi zero (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, one might say so. It is actually a tablet, though they are rather similar.Qwerty number1 (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Qwerty number1: The single most likely factor to note, in this situation, is whether you're looking at the wiki platform's "mobile" interface, as opposed to its "desktop" interface. The desktop view should have, at the very bottom of each page, a bar of links with, over toward the right, one that says "mobile view"; the mobile view should have, at the very bottom of each page, two links "privacy" and "desktop". --Pi zero (talk) 17:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok, will use desktop when creating articles?Qwerty number1 (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Bsadowsky1 gets shotEdit

Parody account, edits reflect that clearly. Globally blocked. But should it be a local block too?
•–• 10:13, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

No use for one. It's globally locked (not blocked), which means that the user cannot even log in. Leaderboard (talk) 11:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Each project has its own autonomy and previously, globally locked accounts and globally blocked IPs were blocked too. And therefore, I came to ask the one who had done that. And I am doing that
106.213.183.224 (talk) 13:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
I blocked both accounts, for good measure. Standard block settings for an account also have (limited-duration, one imagines) effect on the associated IP address(es), without requiring a CU. --Pi zero (talk) 14:57, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
I know, when I requested a block on enwp during exams, and I was tempted to edit, that block notice would pop up.
106.213.181.156 (talk) 15:06, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

ShockedEdit

You sent me a message that let me think that will my page will be deleted! What should I do? Ofreporter (talk) 08:21, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ofreporter: As noted in the first pillar at WN:PILLARS, to create a page that will stay, you need to write a page, following our policies-and-guidelines, built around a suitable current event, submit it for review, and it has to pass review (which it has to do while still newsworthy). WN:WRITE is a tutorial on writing a first article. There is also an experimental "article wizard", alas non-interactive, at Wikinews:Article wizard. And eventually, any Wikinewsie should read the Wikinews:Style guide, which is designed to be readable: it sticks to core principles rather than getting (too) involved in details, so is much shorter than news style guides such as AP's or BBC's (or the English Wikipedia's MOS). --Pi zero (talk) 12:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
@Pi zero: So will my page be deleted? Ofreporter (talk) 01:35, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
@Ofreporter: Unless the event is recent enough, two mutually independent sources can be found, and the article can be rewritten quickly enough, and reviewed, it will (after a time) end up deleted.

What you want is to read up on Wikinews writing, choose a suitable current event, choose sources, write and submit an article; and be prepared to learn as much as possible from that article, one way or another. --Pi zero (talk) 01:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Please reviewEdit

@Pi zero: Please review the article South Korea and Japan battered by cold wave. Thank you. Ofreporter (Talk) (Contribs) 09:57, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

December 29 2018Edit

@Pi zero: Thanks for the review, and the message you left me on my talk page was constructive. But still, as my account becomes autoconfirmed, I will start editing project pages, help pages and a few templates. Ofreporter (Talk) (Contribs) 01:03, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ofreporter: I'm not sure what you're saying. --Pi zero (talk) 02:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
@Pi zero: It means I will edit project pages, help pages and templates instead of articles. Ofreporter (Talk) (Contribs) 03:05, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Is that okay? Ofreporter (Talk) (Contribs) 03:05, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
@Ofreporter: It would depend on what you mean to do to those pages. From my perspective, it seems as if most of what needs doing on the project falls into three areas: writing articles, reviewing articles, and building infrastructure. Of those three, the one a user can start in on before they've learned the principles of the project, in order to learn those principles, is writing. Everyone has to start with writing, to learn the principles and to demonstrate that one has learned them. --Pi zero (talk) 03:21, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

The Jewish Goddess EveEdit

Dear Pi, Thanks for responding. I need help beyond the norm. I really do have a story that will create global change once it becomes news, but I don’t know how to make that happen. I have been working on this for 22 years, since the first time I was at the UN in support of a Global Literacy Project designed to teach English to the world. I really am going to be the Jewish Goddess Eve and lead this world to peace. I learned about Wikinews yesterday. I know my story is specific, relevant, and fresh, so I know it’s newsworthy. Plus, I am very funny. If what I wrote was too much of an editorial, is there any other Wikimedia that might be interested? Or can you help me edit it to make it fit your guidelines? Me and MINDOLOGY and the UNITED STATES OF BEINGS and the NEW BABEL (a free movie) and SUDDENLY SANE (a free e-book) and the inventions I am donating to the nonprofit including the SOUND SLEEP SYSTEM and the HIDE & SLEEK and the V-CLEAN, and MINDOLOGY MEETING PLACES which will create millions of new jobs at $18 per hour… these are all elements of a story that must get out to the world. I know I am complicated and have a lot going on, but the world is educable. Please at least watch Part 1 of the NEW BABEL at WWW.MINDOLOGY.XYZ. I will not stop until I connect. I hope Wiki is my link! Mindy Dr. Mindy Scott President, MINDOLOGY and the UNITED STATES OF BEINGS [...] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mindology18 (talkcontribs) 01:07, 30 December 2018‎ (UTC)

@Mindology18: The material you want to disseminate is editorial/opinion; so, Wikinews is not the place for it. Only one sister comes to mind, in the wikimedia sisterhood, that might be suitable. You might wish to — gently — inquire at Wikiversity, which may be suitable. Don't pour lots of material on them to start with, I think; just make a short inquiry at the Wikiversity:Colloquium. The good folks there can tell you whether that project is suitable for you, and, if so, how to proceed. --Pi zero (talk) 01:31, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Making newsEdit

Pi, Thanks for the advice. I went to Wikiversity:Colloquium. I clicked on chat, and there is all this stuff about IRC that I am not familiar with. Is there another way to connect with someone there - gently? Mindy --Mindology18 (talk) 02:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mindology18: Some projects have more active IRC channels than others; I have no experience with Wikiversity's IRC.

If I had something I was wondering about putting on Wikiversity, I would go to the colloquium page (the simple wiki markup for linking from here to there, btw, is [[v:Wikiversity:Colloquium]], which comes out as v:Wikiversity:Colloquium), and click on the "Add topic" tab at the top (that tab is a bit right of the center along the top). And just ask the question, attempting to explain in a few sentences (two or three, maybe?). --Pi zero (talk) 03:56, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Uniting the world with one voiceEdit

Pi, I did as you suggested. Pared down, do you think I can create an article in Wikinews?

I am the president of a nonprofit whose primary mission is a Global Literacy Project to teach everyone to speak English for free, and then to make all education in English free online for the world.

I have an amazing story that will blow the world's collective mind, once it is heard.

To tell it I am creating THE NEW BABEL. PART 1 - REGENESIS is a movie that is free for everybody at MINDOLOGY.XYZ.

______________________

I could really use some guidance. How do I get my own voice to be heard?

What about a press release for the NEW BABEL? It is brilliant, if I do say so myself, and not one person that I have asked has watched it and let me know what they thought.

Mindy --Mindology18 (talk) 05:35, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mindology18: I gather the folks at Wikiversity feel your material doesn't belong there, either. That's not an unreasonable position for them to take. You are, honestly, looking to promote an agenda, whereas their goal is, as I understand it, to provide a platform for learning. Accepting their judgement, there probably isn't a place for what you're doing on the wikimedia sisterhood; you really are trying to promote a cause, after all.

There are lots of folks out there with ideas they'd like to promote for some selfless reason. But everyone knows that, and by the time one filters out the ones whose reasons really aren't selfless after all, and the ones whose cause one disagrees with, and the ones whose methods one disagrees with or believes cannot work, and the ones one just doesn't have time to get personally involved with, well, it's at least as much of a problem for people on the receiving end of idea-promotion as for those with an idea to promote. The only advice I can offer you, for whatever it might be worth, is to try to take all that into account, and devise a forthright, honest way to present your offering in a way likely to reach those you want to reach. Sorry the wikimedia sisterhood hasn't worked out for you. --Pi zero (talk) 20:33, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Template:PolicyEdit

@Pi zero: On the page history of the page Template:Policy "(well, if the changes are small enough not to conflict with consensus, that's covered by the statement as well)", and my pending change was rejected. Why? Ofreporter (Talk) (Contribs) 05:59, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Well, you were proposing to qualify the statement about requiring consensus, to suggest that only "major" edits would have to reflect consensus. But policy has to have community consensus, period. There is no "major" and "minor" in policy-page edits, ultimately, only edits that are okay and edits that aren't. --Pi zero (talk) 06:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
@Pi zero: That means only minor edits on policy pages need to override community consensus?! OfreporterSend me a message! 06:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Huh? It says what it means: ensure that your revision reflects consensus. --Pi zero (talk) 13:11, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Making newsEdit

Thanks for your continued attention. How about this?

The United States of Beings is a nonprofit corporation. Our primary mission is a Global Literacy Project which will teach everyone to speak English for free, and then make all education in English free online for the world.

The GOAL is Global Online Accessible Learning that you can learn about in a podcast.

Pi, when I first wrote to Wikinews I was trying to tell the story of how I have lost my right to free speech, but I realize that no one wants to listen to my complaints.

I strongly believe that I have the most important story that humanity will ever know. My job is to figure out how to be heard. --Mindology18 (talk) 20:55, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protecting User:OfreporterEdit

Can you semi-protect my user page? My sister tries to edit my user page using my IP, but hopefully I stopped her. Just to avoid this, can you semi-protect my user page? OfreporterSend me a message! 01:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

And may you semi protect this please? OfreporterSend me a message! 01:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ofreporter: Since the template is specific to you, I've moved it into your userspace. Semi-protected both pages. --Pi zero (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Is it okay to create blog postsEdit

Is it okay to create blog posts on Wikinews? I got used of Wikia's blog posts and want to make some blog posts here too. Can I do that? OfreporterSend me a message! 12:58, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ofreporter: No. WN:NOT#isp. --Pi zero (talk) 13:06, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Never deleteEdit

Nearly all my pages were nominated for speedy deletion. What should I do? OfreporterSend me a message! 07:06, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ofreporter: Well, each project in the wikimedia sisterhood has its own unique character, and the way to get to know any given project is to get experience contributing content to it. There's a bit of a special twist to learning Wikinews because a news article has to rapidly succeed altogether; so you have to get past a bit of an initial learning curve in order to learn to get content contributions to pass review. As I recall, you made a couple of tries at content writing, but then switched your attention to infrastructure work; but infrastructure work isn't really something for a newcomer to a project to undertake, because it's the veteran project members who know what to do with that. --Pi zero (talk) 13:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Man charged over motorway bridge collapse in Kent, EnglandEdit

I've long thought the UK should have a Road Accidents Investigation Branch to compliment the marine, aviation, and rail equivalents. Much of Europe does; the States has it as part of their central NTSB and I'm pretty sure Australia's got one too, and those are just off the top of my head. It occurs to me that, if Highways England did investigate this, one might be able to obtain the copy under Freedom of Information laws and use that for some OR. I'd be intrigued to try and find some foreign academics to take a look and comment on the results, techniques, and on if it demonstrates a need for the UK to join the rest of the world in this area (hint: it does). Sound like a decent investigative report? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 15:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Sounds pretty plausible to me. --Pi zero (talk) 16:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I've asked for confirmation such a report exists, copies for it if it does, and some other related data on accidents in the area and of that nature. Incidentally, any chance you can look at the image credit on the Magnitigorsk piece and try to unbreak it for me? Idk what I did to it. Probably something obvious and simple. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 17:39, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Regarding ReviewerEdit

Hello,Can I become a reviewer???(Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2019 (UTC))

@Mr.Mani Raj Paul: Someday, perhaps. Not immediately. You need experience first. Which, of course, you can't get without somebody reviewing your articles. And I freely admit I haven't been doing well at that, just recently. But, it is a circular thing: the only way for new users to learn is through experience being reviewed, and we need a significant level of review to serve users so they can learn and advance toward where they could become reviewers themselves. Not everyone ever becomes a reviewer, either; some people just don't have the knack. So a lot of our work behind the scenes (where you can't see it) is to build tools to make it easier for people who are reviewers to get more review done with less effort. Of course, reviewers can't review their own work; but everything works much better when we've got more active reviewers operating at once.

I'll see if I can't get some solid review done today (even though I'm operating today with a sleep deficit; sigh). --Pi zero (talk) 14:16, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I understand your all points,yes you are right I'm new in wiki news.i need some more time.& I will do my best this year , Thanks (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 14:47, 4 January 2019 (UTC))

requested articlesEdit

hi i will be requesting articles. just a heads up. thnx. Snaggletoothkhan (talk) 09:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Snaggletoothkhan :)
Left you a question about one of the requests at your talk page.
Note: it's better to add separate news as separate requests (in separate sections). Gryllida (talk) 04:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

IncomingEdit

I figure it may be wise to put you on notice of Wikinews investigates disappearance of Indonesian cargo ship Namse Bangdzod. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 18:29, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

You’re biasedEdit

Bye Iamkasai (talk) 00:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Nah. I'm just clueful in recognizing bullshit. --Pi zero (talk) 00:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Two thingsEdit

There are two things that you need to do. First, can I become a pending change reviewer? Second, all the articles that I created are mounted with the {{tasks}} tag. What can I do? Can I get expert advice from you? OfreporterSend me a message! 12:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ofreporter: There's no such thing as a pending change reviewer here. There is just reviewer, which is a very big deal. Perhaps you should re-read about the basic workflow of the project; there's some about it at the first pillar of WN:PILLARS, and on the first page of Wikinews:Article wizard (where there's a picture).

When an article gets a {{tasks}} tag, it directs you to read the review comments on the discussion page; that's where you should find the main feedback from the review. --Pi zero (talk) 13:04, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ofreporter: You're keen, and that's good. But your attitude to copyright is somewhat cavalier, and a key part of this project is production of material which can be used freely by others. You're going to need to take more care with that going forward if you hope to one day help out with reviewing. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 19:41, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

January 14Edit

I expect to be off doing things in the off-line world intermittently for the rest of the day (UTC). --Pi zero (talk) 17:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Adding alt text to Template:Topic catEdit

Can you please edit this? There should never be media without alt text. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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