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New book by Ellen Pao, former Chief Executive of Reddit, explores sexism in Silicon ValleyEdit

I am really sorry, I could not get this one done on time. I have been there -- when my article lost freshness and nobody got time to review it, that feeling sucks. Would you want to write something else, instead? I was going to write about

  1. Germany's election
  2. Japanese prime minister says elections would be preponed
  3. US issues new travel ban; bars Venezuela, North Korea
  4. Iraq: Citizens vote for Kurdistan independence

I would not mind if you pick something from the list -- would you like to write about it?
acagastya PING ME! 13:17, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your message @Acagastya: I have already written 3 other stories at wikinews:
At this point my main concern is losing all the experience I gained by writing these stories. Will the stories be deleted? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:04, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately, yes. Fortunately, you can move the articles to your userspace, if you want to preserve it. I know this might sound harsh, but an experienced Wikinewsie once said, "Do not marry your articles." You work on it whole-heartedly, but once you have written it, you need to move on, and write something else. (It might seem irrelevant, but I had tough time accepting the fact that once a story is not fresh anymore, it just can't be "news", when I was new here).
acagastya PING ME! 15:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks again @Acagastya: Will I get a message before the stories are deleted? Does wiki-news have documentation explaining the process? Ottawahitech (talk) 00:56, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
No, you would not be notified as such. The article will be manually marked {{abandoned}} four days after it was last edited. If there is no significant edit (like freshening the article), it will be deleted two days after it was marked abandoned. But just like any other wiki, an admin can restore a deleted page. You can request admin to restore a deleted page anytime. Are you facing difficulty moving it to your user space?
acagastya PING ME! 08:58, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Request to have New book by Ellen Pao userifiedEdit

I deleted this article because it had been marked abandoned for more than three weeks. You are the one who marked it abandoned. If there were aspects of the article that you wanted to keep for work on another article, you should have done so at that time. I see it has been explained to you before, Wikinews is not a webhosting service and we are not in the practice of keeping failed articles. I do not see any valid reason for moving it into user space. If you have one, please explain. Cheers, --SVTCobra 20:07, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: Thank you for replying to my request posted at User_talk:SVTCobra#Deletion_of_an_article_I_asked_to_be_userified
You say that I am the one who marked the page Abandoned, but you neglect to mention that when I did that I asked to have the page userified. As far as I know there is no way to ask for userficiation before an article is declared abandoned?
You also say this has been explained to me before. Can you provide diffs that show the topic has been properly explained to me? If you care to peruse my talk-page above you will clearly see that I have been provided contradictory information, and my requests to be pointed to an official wiki-news policy on the matter have not produced any results. For example: On 26 September 2017 acagastya told me that I "can move the articles to [my] userspace if [I] want to preserve it" (See:User_talk:Ottawahitech#New_book_by_Ellen_Pao,_former_Chief_Executive_of_Reddit,_explores_sexism_in_Silicon_Valley). However, on 10 October 2017 I was told by Pi zero that I should not move articles by myself but wait for an admin to do it.(See: User_talk:Ottawahitech#Userspace). There was flurry of advice by various IPs on talkpages of articles that have since been deleted.
After I wasted a lot of time trying to comply with all these conflicting pieces of advice while trying to keep the article fresh, you have now entered this muddled situation with a third view: Wikinews is not a webhosting service, and refuse to allow me to save my own work in my userspace. Why should my work become the exclusive property of wiki-news-admins, such as yourself, who have been entrusted by the wiki-news community to do whats best for the community? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:51, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
If you wish to copy the material off-wiki, we're happy to temporarily undelete it for you so you can access it for that purpose. Afaik, "not a web host" is a standard item in what-this-project-is-not lists for wikimedia projects, and it does seem logically necessary. --Pi zero (talk) 15:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I told you you could request. After you had requested to be userspaced, I told you that there should be a good reason to userspace, because without a good it would be no different from a web host. (The part which was told multiple times) I cannot dumb it down any further. How many articles do you think I have lost, and how many do you think I have ever asked to be userspaced? (The answer is only one article: which is because it uses a template which I don’t remember how to use. So maybe, instead of complaining, you should start reading your talk page messages.
•–• 16:29, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Ottawahitech. See Wikinews:NOT item 4, for a policy statement that Wikinews is not a webhost. If you want copies of your work, you should download them to your own computer before they get deleted. When I say that "it was explained before", I meant you were informed that there should be a compelling reason for storing failed articles in user-space. See your talk page, I see many times in October and November (I'm not about to sit here sifting through page history and copying diffs). I think there's a few at the Wikinews:Water cooler, too.
User-space (which is property of the Wikimedia Foundation and not you) does not render Wikinews immune to copyright violations and/or libel. Since content in user-space is not reviewed, administrators (as caretakers of the site's interests) are leery of users putting things in user-space that look like news.
You are able to do it yourself, but what is the reason? Vanity? You speak of losing experience of working on the article. But how so? These are the questions you never seem to answer.
If you ever put something in user-space, please put Template:User Sandbox at the very top. Make sure there are no categories or article templates. Nothing should link to the page, with the possible exception of your user page. But my advice is to just save it on your own computer. Wiki markup is simple text and doesn't take very much space. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:40, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

British actor Tony Booth dies at 85Edit

Published. Congrats! Review comments.

Admittedly, when things get crazy on the review queue (we have how many articles waiting??), all manner of small factors can come into play in determining what gets reviewed soonest. Your article was short (a plus to me since I only had a small slice of time available... which I see I've now overspent), and since you'd already had at least one not-ready review that I recall, and this was written after that, hopefully you'd have learned a bit, reducing the likelihood of problems that would keep the article from passing (a reviewer short of time, faced with a long queue, would naturally like to invest their time efficiently on an article that's going to pass on the first try). --Pi zero (talk) 17:10, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Pi zero. It sure felt good to have a story published. And, thank you for putting in all the work you seem to do around wikinews. I hope to continue to learn from many of your comments, but admit it is a learning process. BTW you seem to be to be the only one around approving stories for publication? This must be quite a burden! Ottawahitech (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm deeply frustrated that several of your articles have lost freshness on the queue; today for instance I truly wanted to review both the Facebook article and your Obamacare article, but the Facebook one besides having been submitted first was also, it seems to me, a smaller story in the msm (at least in the US) thus likely retaining its freshness a bit better, and by the time I'd got that reviewed there wasn't sufficient time for the other article.

Some perspective. When I first arrived at Wikinews — more than half the age of the project ago, I'm disconcerted to realize — there were more active reviewers. We were publishing about half a dozen articles a day. Nevertheless, the project had been slowly shrinking since it was started, a trend that continued thereafter. As I got to know the place, I was deeply impressed by the dedication of the inner-circle Wikinewsies I met here; I felt the project has the potential to do great good in the world, as impactful in its way as Wikipedia, but it was clear to me that something in the project dynamics needed to be tweaked. Not by as much as one might think; the project has been shrinking (as have its sisters), but it hasn't been shrinking quickly, which suggests that the various constants in the dynamic equation of the project are only a little off, and changes that result in steady positive growth are not beyond the realm of the possible. We need to increase the submission-review rate per active reviewer, which means making more efficient use of whatever reviewers are available (however few or many they are); and I have a notion how to do that, it's something I can perhaps do myself... but it's a very slow software development process, and meanwhile someone has to step into the gap between available review capacity and needed review capacity. Which is often also me, though there are certainly other reviewers who help out some of the time; and of course I have trouble scraping up time to develop software while I'm busy doing the tasks that the software is supposed to aid. --Pi zero (talk) 01:21, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

UserspaceEdit

One concern with moving failed articles to userspace (amongst other, more philosophical ones) is that a failed article might not have been checked for possible copyvio, and we must not host copyvio. So, please don't move articles to userspace yourself; leave it for an admin. --Pi zero (talk) 16:13, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price resignsEdit

Your article "United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price resigns" has been userfied to User:Ottawahitech/United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price resigns. —mikemoral (talk) 09:40, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

  • And also User:Ottawahitech/Affordable Care Act repeal fails for fourth time in US Senate. —mikemoral (talk) 09:50, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
  • [User:Ottawahitech/Class action: Foreign workers pay thousands to obtain jobs in Canada]] too. —mikemoral (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm userfying these article for now. I'll check for copyvio material soon as Wikinews can't host such content. I know you just recently updated the sources on the book article, but I'll also move that to your userspace too. You can move it back when you think it can be publishable. Apologies for multiple messages. —mikemoral (talk) 10:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
@Mikemoral: Please do not userify the book article. Besides the fact that wikinews articles should only be designated "abandoned" after 4 days of no edits (see earlier comment on my talk page by acagastya), I believe the very active discussion on the article's talk-page is of interest to the general wiki-news community. No? Ottawahitech (talk) 12:03, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Abandonment is a thoughtful process; not nearly as simple in general as "not edited for four days", although that is the simple case most often. --Pi zero (talk) 14:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
One of the issues with the article "New book by Ellen Pao, former Chief Executive of Reddit, explores sexism in Silicon Valley" is that the article is now very old. The most recent source is from September 28th, which puts the article outside of freshness guidelines quite a bit. The book itself came out the 18th. Unless we produce original reporting here, this article is too stale to be published on Wikinews which is why I suggested it would be moved to your userspace. I did not realize that the discussion on the talk page was as active as it was, so perhaps I was a bit early on the draw to consider moving it. I won't move it while the discussion is ongoing, but eventually it would needed to be moved, unless it could be brought up to standards. —mikemoral (talk) 22:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

UserspaceEdit

Do you want the articles to be user spaced or just the talk page content? Because if you need just the talk pages we don't need to worry about copyvio and we can finish this backlog quickly.
103.6.156.41 (talk) 09:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Actually, how about you explain why you want it to be userspaced? Wikinews is not a web host, after all. There should be a good reason to, you know, still keep things on the project.
15:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

A nifty trick…Edit

There is a way to possibly reduce conflict with fellow editors: begin articles in userspace and, when you feel they may be ready for review, moving them to the main namespace.

An easy way to do this is to create a link on your user page to a new article headline prefaced with User:Ottawahitech/, e.g. [[User:Ottawahitech/My exciting news event headline]] creating the redlink User:Ottawahitech/My exciting news event headline. You can even transclude the new article template by pasting "User:Ottawahitech/My exciting news event headline" into the form at Wikinews:Writing an article.

You will then have the skeleton of the article in your user space and can flesh out the article. If an article gets stale, or you want to clean up a few abandonded articles, paste {{speedy|A reason I want to delete my userspaced article.}} at the top, and admins will be alerted. This can avoid people performing drive-by ABANDONED since it is exceptionally rude (but not against policy) to unnecessarily meddle with another user's space.

Hope this idea can help. - Amgine | t 18:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

However, Wikinews is not a web hosting service for every failed article. Moreover, they would not be able to attract users to help them for their drafts. If you have been monitoring this user’s edits, they create a page, add some sources, and it is later marked abandoned and then they request userifying a page which has only urls. This isn’t a place to store your bookmarks. There should be a very good reason to have it in user space. After all, we have to provide service to the project. (Come to think about it if every article followed what you have said, we would be wasting lot of space and making the project messy. It doesn’t do any good for the project. Till date, I asked only one page to be userified that too because it helps for knowing how to use certain templates for an election related article.
223.237.238.35 (talk) 22:08, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Your commentEdit

While I appreciate the sentiment, would you consider removing your "intent on making everyone miserable" comment that you addressed to Acagastya? I realize you mean well but it's rude and it's confrontational and it could make things devolve into a real fight. Should you choose to do so, you have my permission to remove the reply I made as well, and this request post. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:42, 14 November 2017 (UTC) Deescalation is a delicate art, one that I do not pretend to have mastered. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:49, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24:, Sorry for taking a while to respond to you. I find this wiki extremely draining, and my time management skills go right out the window here. Anyway, enough of apologizing (it takes time), I asked the question without any intention of being rude, and had Acagastya respond to it very magnanimously. Why he removed my 2nd question:

Thanks for taking the time to respond, Acagastya. Here is my next question: You use various user IDs/IPs/wiki-Signatures when participating in wiki-news as a Reviewer. Can you please list all of those so participants will know whose edits those are? Do you use different identification when performing different functions at wiki-news, or is there a different reason for the multiplicity of your IDs?Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC) Please ping me

is anyones guess. See: Talk:Poland: Thousands of far-right nationalists gather in Warsaw to march for white supremacy, anti-liberalism, and anti-Islam on Polish independence day Ottawahitech (talk) 15:43, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

<no specific title I can think of >Edit

I had been to a different city and a different state in between of my college’s semester end exams, which finished today. I generally do not stay away from Wikinews. But I was with my sister. And when I am with my sister, I do not focus on anything, even Wikinews. I was traveling since Thursday, and I would, until this Thursday. I cannot possibly devote time for Wikinews now, even though I don’t have anything to do while I travel because as soon as I leave this state, I would not have internet connection. I know you would not get a word of what I have spoken, but can you possibly think about how bad I would feel about Wikinews not being able to publish many articles for the past few days? I do not do this because I want better stats. Do you think you are the only newbie on this project? I was a newbie, two and half years ago. I had no idea what news was, and what I wrote was more of a blog than a news article. I have no idea why you are trying to make others believe that only my articles make it and are published. More than 65% of the articles published this calendar year were not written by (the human) “Agastya”. By the way, can you please stop calling me (the on-Wiki me) “agastya”? Address me by calling acagastya, even if I use my alternate usernames (only exception is when you want to ping me). If you are trying to get me blocked for sock puppetry, it is not going to happen. Because almost every veteran Wikinewsie knows about my alternative accounts. Unlike people like you, who lives in a first world developed country with a high speed and stable internet connection, I do not. And at times, messages withwhat they ant to convey are more important than who is conveying them. Not every article in the review queue is publishable. And reviewers are not employees like how a professional company has. I am pretty sure you do not understand an iota of the review process. This might sound harsh, but I did not understand for weeks, when I joined. So it is not a big deal. But try not to make it hard for us to contribute to Wikinews. As a reviewer, it is hard to lose an article. We don’t get happiness “not readying” an article. It seems that you feel the review process is rigged. There was a time when I wrote only football articles. And one veteran editor did not consider it news. But we are free to write what we want to write. And no one can flag it not ready just because we have a lot of articles about it on the main page. Right now, I can list a dozen of editors who will be ready to tell you the process is not rigged. At times, pizero considered your articles for review before mine, because that is how we can encourage a newbie. And none of us feel bad about it. I don’t know if you can possibly feel it. Another fact. I lose more number of articles each month, more than you have ever written. We are more than just usernames. We have a life, and people and things to do in our off wiki world. I don’t know what or why are you still on the proposal page talking about anything but proposals with those stats which nobody cares about, or indicates anything. There were times when Darkfrog24 had 5/5 articles in lead section. There were times when I had 9/10. You know, I gamble with my grades to write a news article. I had 138 news articles published last year. I just have 98 this year. Could be because I fell from a moving train. And almost a month later, met with a accident after which, I could not stand, or even hold a pen. To be honest, I don’t make a single buck writing articles. So even if I write articles or I don’t, it brings no difference for me. And on the personal level, it makes no difference for pizero when they review anyone’s articles. You are not aware of the fact that I have often asked reviewers to consider other’s articles before reviewing mine. (But yes, I have requested for them to review mine before other, a number of times) So, tell me, why do you do this, on the proposal page and make me feel bad about being on Wikinews, and dedicating my whole college life behind it?
•–• 10:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I was 500 kilometres away from where I stay. I would be traveling for the rest of the week and would be 2000 kms away from Mysore. I would love to write and more importantly, have other articles published. But instead of trying to (mis)use the proposal page, try telling the Wikinews ArbCom about your problems with me using multiple accounts or (what you feel) only my articles making it to the main page. I can do it for you, if you want. (Side note—none of the articles on the main page are written by my alternative accounts) ArbCom and the veterans can help you, not the proposal page. So, when I am home, and if you have not requested ArbCom about it, I am going to do it. And believe me, when I do, I will tell them about your problems in the unbiased tone, but I would let them know about the fact that you are not w:WP:NOTHERE. Actually, now that you have used the proposal page so many times without mentioning a proposal, I would do it anyway. You have time until December 23.
•–• 10:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion....Edit

Perhaps you can try to write something too about the planned terrorist attacks in Sint Petersburg which have been prevented thanks to CIA? There is already a corresponding article on Wikinews-nl (nl: Grote aanslag in Sint Petersburg verijdeld dankzij CIA). I have no time to do this stil tonight. De Wikischim (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

By the way, I just did some edits on United States: Amtrak train derails near Olympia, Washington but will not work on that article anymore - it's up to you as the original author from now on to get it ready for publication. I gave a helping hand. De Wikischim (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

UserspaceEdit

You need to explain why you want articles to be userspaced. This is not a web hosting service, and there should be a good reason why it is kept.
223.180.21.208 (talk) 01:45, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Return to the user page of "Ottawahitech".