User talk:Brian McNeil/Archive 12

Latest comment: 14 years ago by AlexandrDmitri in topic Numbers in headlines

A penny for your thoughts

Okay, not really, but I am requesting your participation in the following Water Cooler Discussion: OR and Broadcast report. The discussion involves the need for specific policy concerning how Original Reporting relates to information recieved from a broadcast report of an event. This can include both news-style reports and non-news reports, such as a sporting event. Thanks and again, please share your thoughts on this so we can get as many people involved as possible, especially since this relates to an important topic such as OR. —Calebrw (talk) 05:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Could you have another look? It should all be fixed now. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Updated again, per your advice. Thanks for all fo this, by the way: If I succeed, it'll be the first one of these I did without an experienced editor writing half of it with me. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Tried to fix the one sentence - it's one of those sentences that seems very hard to escape the structure of, even if you carefully wait a few minutes before trying to paraphrase. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

A favor - The Guardian

Brian - in today's print edition of The Guardian is my portrait of deceased theorist w:Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick with her obituary. Would you be able to pick up a copy and I'll PayPal you the money as well as to send it to me? --David Shankbone (talk) 13:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Just got your note here at 16:15, very unlikely any papers left in the shop. Sorry. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
No worries - the obits lady offered to send one to me, which was very nice. --David Shankbone (talk) 22:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Inappropriate comments at WN:DR

Brianmc, I understand you may be annoyed at user:Mhendrickx, and for good reason too, but the comments directed at him here are simply inappropriate. Please, try to remain w:WP:CIVIL and maintain Wikinews:Etiquette. Thanks, Tempodivalse [talk] 13:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

My immediate action thereafter was to go into IRC, post a link to the change I'd made, and invite someone to block me. Note you had to link to WP:CIVIL, which is not a Wikinews guideline or policy. There is in MH's remarks a clear side-shot at me as I was one who changed the COI policy such that his article falls foul of the letter and not just the spirit of the policy.
I disagree that the comment is inappropriate. I don't go as far as a "some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them" philosophy, but I don't believe I, or anyone else in the Wikinews community should have to suffer fools, particularly petulant verbose ones who are too busy picking motes out of other people's eyes to see the huge fencepost in their own. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
Needless to say, I agree with Tempodivalse's comments. Whilst WP:CIVIL isn't a Wikinews policy, I think it is very likely that it reflects the behaviour expected by the community here and it explains not just what is and isn't appropriate but why it is important and helpful. The course of action for dealing with problematic editors is to discuss it with them, warn them about the possible consequences and if it continues block them and ignore them. On a number of occasions Brian seems to instead find himself at the same level as the troublemakers and it doesn't reflect well on him or the project in generally. This attitude of making comments then bringing them to the attention of people on IRC with an invitation to block him is nonsense. Adambro (talk) 16:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
Yes, yes, you've made your views known before Adambro. You go flog the 'problematic editor' with scented bootlaces; I'll tell you it won't work. Note the incoherent threats to in some way publicise what has happened, should I have referred them to w:WP:DICK? --Brian McNeil / talk 16:20, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
Brianmc, please remove the inappropriate comment from the WN:DR page, or redact the inappropriate language from the comment. Cirt (talk) 19:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
Look I am not against the comment. That user has been intentionally wasting our time with relentless rants. Take a look at just how much time has been wasted on this single article or whatever. It is ridiculous. If the only way to get him to listen was to be frank and up front, then so be it. Frankly I am sick of people who make one article, make edits ONLY to that article then come back a year later to tell us how our policies work. He was told the same thing on more than just one or two occasions. Enough is enough. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
I agree. I don't know where y'all come from, but where I come from we don't keep smiling and act courteous to people who don't make any effort to do the same. Mike Halterman (talk) 22:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

This [1] reflects quite poorly on Brianmc (talk · contribs), but on a more problematic level, it reflects poorly on Wikinews. It sets a very bad example of how to deal with other users in a polite fashion. The inappropriate language should be redacted. Cirt (talk) 19:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

  Done, resolved/done issue, thanks to ShakataGaNai (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply


Thanks for the answer! But, i have a doubt about the question that i made: I asked about the MediaWiki that made the box "What do you think of this page?", but you answered me about the Comments' namespace. What can i do to insert the box "What do you think of this page?" in pt-wikinews?

Thanks! Vitorbraziledit talk 18:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, but, as Tempo said, i'm refer to the page rating. I will ask in the Water Cooler. Vitorbraziledit talk 18:33, 18 May 2009 (UTC)Reply


Thank you. I haven't found all the places where the tidbits are yet. I appreciate the template pasted to my talk page for WN. It was unique to get a comment from a not-signed in user. I am not sure if they will get my answer or not.  :-) SriMesh | talk 20:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)Reply


If you will notice the queue, there are now 0 articles in it. I can't remember the last time there were 0 articles in the queue. :) Mike Halterman (talk) 06:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

re: Automating changes

I have heard about it, but never looked into too heavily.

I'll look into it now though. Thanks, Calebrw (talk) 19:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Water cooler

Can you answer me here?

Thanks! Vitorbraziledit talk 03:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

New Wikinewsie blog and wiki

Please see: Wikinews:Water_cooler/miscellaneous#New_Wikinewsie_blog_and_wiki. Thanks. Calebrw (talk) 21:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

re: Use of "/" in page titles

Good point. I will defiantly correct all those. There are quite a few. I'm thinking of using WP naming conventions. Calebrw (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

I'm curious. I can see WP naming conventions being a good idea for cats/portals/redirects, but how so in articles? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

. Ok thanks09akoguc (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Malawi election

What's your objection to the details I added to Malawian president inaugurated after reelection ? Ong saluri (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

I have replied at user talk:Ong saluri. Tempodivalse [talk] 22:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

can you remove or fix anything needed form Credit card companies foreclosing without a mortgage note

I put Credit card companies foreclosing without a mortgage note on my talk page I hope this can make it easy for you remove or fix any thing at all needed? This will be very helpful.Payor (talk) 17:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Re:Pakistan regional divisions

Hi, thanks for the message. Well, the thing is, there is in fact a lot of scope for them but the problem arises from the fact that I cannot categorize all those articles accordingly as they appear to be archived. The funny thing is that I fully realised this problem a while after creating those Wikinews portals. I have no idea what to do now, although I can reassure you that I am fully ready to take the responsibilty of creating and monitoring articles relevant to them. You see, I recently left Wikipedia for a change of scene, and will be a passionate Wikinews user instead for the next couple of months. My main areas of expertise will extend to creating all news articles relevant to Pakistan or otherwise its regional divisions.

BTW, I agree with you - I'll try to bring this issue a.s.a.p to the Water Cooler and see what happens :) Ali Rana (talk) 13:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Page move suggestion

I suggest moving page from Three men who bombed Iranian mosque publicly hanged to Iran hangs three suspects and blames US and Israel for mosque bombing --ReneJohnsen (talk) 14:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Templating non-templates

If you want to use a template which is not in the template namespace, you can do like this:

Medley of MEPs
Image: Brian McNeil, Manuel Schneider.

--ReneJohnsen (talk) 14:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Not what I wanted to do. I wanted {{tl}} like that - and I couldn't be bothered with the wikicode. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Section name

I completely blanked on what the right section title was. I was more concerned with getting the story up quickly, so just left it to be fixed up later. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 12:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Meekel (talk · contribs)

Hallo, Brianmc. Just curious, why did you grant user:Meekel editor status? Isn't one usually supposed to file a request at WN:FRRFP for it first? Just wondering. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk] 17:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

We were joking in IRC, he said "I'm not a reviewer", quickly consulted a couple of admins and we told him to get reviewing. :D --Brian McNeil / talk 08:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
I'd rather that a request was filed at WN:FRRFP for this. I don't think that IRC is a place to be making serious decisions such as whether to grant a user editor status. Tempodivalse [talk] 14:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
I've started a water cooler thread on this. Your input and comments are welcome: see this. Cheers. Tempodivalse [talk] 14:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

My Return

I haven't edited on here for a while. We talked about a year ago in regards to Hunter S. Thompson. I wrote the "Fear and Loathing" series on the 2008 presidential campaign from May to October. Now, I want to write some stories in the gonzo journalism style but I need to know if that is permissible. Let me know. Thanks. --William Saturn (talk) 04:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Reply


Please see my comment dated 13:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC). Thanks. Calebrw (talk) 13:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

this is not a hoax, sir

As a wikipedians, i do not put hoaxes because i put the truth things from other clebrities news in the world too. Are you with me, sir?

For a start, please sign your comments.
I assume you are referring to Former Weekend Splash Concert season 5 contestant who rose short to stardom. Why don't you get Mike to confirm it instead of taking his name in vain? --Brian McNeil / talk 08:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
User has been indef'd for Idiocy. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 01:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)Reply


Congratulations on writing your 101st article.   Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk] 20:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

My talk page

You should know by now that my talk page is so not the quickest way to get a response. :P

As for NASA, that's over two hours away from where I live, and that would require me actually having to get a hotel room there for a night because buses/trains do not run that often across the peninsula like that. I can barely afford to pay my own bills so if anyone wanted me to write about this, I would actually have to have the money in advance. I can't do it on my own dime. Mike Halterman (talk) 21:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

As for that other thing, is that supposed to be some Malaysian bullshit? I noticed lots of the lead were cut almost verbatim from my interview with Whitney Cunningham. Why would I care about some crap in Malaysia anyway? It looks like a total hoax and it doesn't seem like a real show to begin with, and it was a nice touch that they went ahead and just copied from my Whitney interview and changed some names. Mike Halterman (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Comments revert

I'd like to ask what you saw that warranted this rollback? The comment is exceptionally long but, skimming through it, I didn't see anything that warrants wholesale deletion. Was it copyrighted or did I just miss something? Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 11:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Search with the opening sentence, it was cut and pasted from another website. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
Thanx Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 11:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Lost Wikinews email address


The email address (@) wikinewsie (dot) org would be good. Thanks again for your help. --WNewsReporter (talk) 18:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

I meant what email address can I send your new password to! --Brian McNeil / talk 19:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
Sorry about that. Send it to my alternate address: homevideopictures (@) gmail (dot) com. --WNewsReporter (talk) 02:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hi, How r u Brianmc? I`m Mo7amedSalim an admin in arabic wikipedia and in wikinews. I have a question for u and hope u got the answe. while i was moving Template:Publish to arabic wikinews, i got a problem. the problem is the template uses in making the url the name of the article while in the arabic that`s can`t be because there isn`t any url in arabic. so do you have any solution? thanks alot. --محـ سالم ـمد نشوان (talk) 14:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

The use of ParserFunctions is only in the {{social bookmarks}} template. The code is {{fullurle:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}} and {{urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}. Both of these functions turn the page name into parameters for the bookmark site. This is not much use on the {{publish}} template, but it is useful when you put publish on an article.
If you've copied the wikicode exactly, then these will work. There is some javascript to make clicking a bookmarking link open in a new window, but that is not essential. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Reply


Please see Template_talk:Howdy#MediaWiki:Welcomecreation. Your input on some CSS is requested. Calebrw (talk) 23:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Italian National Guard sparks outrage -- lead

Hi Brian, I'm new here so I'm not quite sure how to submit this possible lead for a story and don't want to screw up the requests page:

"ROME – Italy's interior minister defended plans Monday to allow citizen patrols to beef up security amid outrage over a new right-wing guard that has put Fascist and Nazi-like symbols on its uniforms ...."

Yahoo: Italy right-wing guard sparks outrage

Lots of reports on google news for "italian national guard". Cheers, Esowteric | Talk 13:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Have added the request. Hope I got it right. Esowteric | Talk 14:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

could you take another look at the google news thread on the water cooler

Could you take another look at the Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical#Google_News_Problem. I think there may be an issue after all. (but its google news archive, not google news) for example: [2]. Cheers. Bawolff 07:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Number of sources

I already commented to this at the article's talk page. I will take the comments under advisement and use fewer sources in the future. Cirt (talk) 08:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I did one with too many once and am thus sensitive to it being a barrier to review. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
Duly noted. This has now been impressed upon me multiple times within the past twenty-four hours. I get it. Thank you. Cirt (talk) 08:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

I was just looking though your user page (getting inspiration for mine) and I noticed that your link "Interviewed by The Canadian Press" is no longer hosted by google. Pity, I would have liked to read that :) -- (talk) 10:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Whoops, forgot to sign in. Resigning --James Pain (talk) 10:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

It's not even in the WayBack Machine. :( --Brian McNeil / talk 10:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hello there. Puttered again at Greenland assumes self rule Sunday....and retitled - is it meeting better WN criteria now? Was not sure about the too encyclopaedic if it was in reference to title or article....18:43, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Lead article 2

Good points, my mistake. Thanks for explaining it in the edit summary. :) Cirt (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Reply


Ahem! Uncle G (talk) 00:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Reply


What exactly have you got against Michael Jackson? --AdamM (talk) 04:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Nothing, I just never liked his music and think all the hype is utterly unwarranted. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
And that warrants tasteless comments in the vein of this and this, does it? I think you need to grow up. --AdamM (talk) 09:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Regarding the spam warning


I am sorry for the spamming. I thought the Indian editors would be interested in our website, since we are starting out a new news agency, and we will have content that other websites don't have at the moment. Since we will be soon selling our content, I thought it would be wise to get in touch with a few WikiNews writers and see if a loose sort of collaboration can be built, before we go commercial. It would be beneficial to both of us, since the content on WikiNews seems outdated most of the time. I couldn't think of any better way to contact them, that's why I had to write on their talk pages.

Did anybody complain about this? If so, I shall apologise to him/her personally.

Maybe you can help me out with this: What would be a good, and non-spammy way to reach out to the editors and other writers who would be interested in using our content to build that page? There is a list of sources they use, and I have appended our website, so that they may notice it. But I am afraid nobody seems to have noticed it.

Sorry again,

Vivek.sonny.abraham (talk) 08:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

I saw you changed the capitalisation in the sidebar, but it doesn't appear to have changed?   Dotty••   16:48, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Single source

...yes, but I was still working on the article. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Then don't worry about it. The concern is that it's totally based on one article (risk of copyright issues) and a second just tacked on to beat the {{single source}} tag. I was still going to have to do the rename so I had to touch it anyway. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Hmm, alright. Anyway, I've further expanded it with more sourced info and listed it for review, if you're interested. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
By the time I looked for it someone had reviewed it. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Consider removing the "cleanup" nomination ("Authorities destroy Michael Jackson tribute in Trafalgar Square")

I consulted several native speakers about my original contribution and they deemed it of publishable quality. Independently of this, my contribution has now been copyedited by another user. On top of that, my personal belief is that the quality standards on any wiki should be realistic if not liberal. Especially when the choice is between to be or not to be of a valid information, the outcome "to be" should be given favour. Said that, there is obviously nothing wrong about improving an article when somebody can do so. Please, remove the "cleanup" nomination if the current state of the article meets your literary standards. (I can notify you when any further modifications to the article occur after that if you declare such interest.)
6birc (talk) 20:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

It wasn't up to scratch when tagged. It has been significantly improved by copyediting. I'm not so sure the {{NPOV}} concerns have been addressed and it is heading for {{stale}} now. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Grab-bag of cats

I believe them to be the countries of players mentioned in the table. Cheers, --SVTCobra 20:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

It's a hell of a stretch to take that to having the article show up in the DPL on {{Israel}}. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Brian. Did you miss the comma in the title? lol Calebrw (talk) 02:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Gonzo journalism

Is Gonzo journalism acceptable? --William Saturn (talk) 00:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Still waiting for a response...--William Saturn (talk) 05:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Is Gonzo journalism WN:NPOV? Does it conform to the WN:STYLE guide? --Brian McNeil / talk 08:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Possibly. The stories are more or less interviews or accounts of an encounter with somebody or something. What I am asking is if it is appropriate to place oneself into a story? --William Saturn (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
This is something to take to the wider community, or be brave and try. Everyone gets stuff deleted. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
My understanding of Gonzo journalism is that it is fictionalized. I would find that extremely hard to incorporate under existing policies. --SVTCobra 22:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Gallery news article


I notice you protected this with the explanation "keep it to people who know the project".

My understanding on developing stories is from the "breaking news" project page, which states that information can change rapidly in the early stages of an article, and advises to update the lead story (if this were it) often. I read that as suggesting that even after initial publication, a story should be updated to improve it, including where salient citable information comes to hand shortly after review.

As a newcomer to news, can you explain this a bit further?


FT2 (Talk | email) 10:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

This story was written over several days prior to publication. It's had way to much changes since then. There are no new details and it is becoming too encyclopedic. There's also our sex image vandal who tends to be good at coming back after a block. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Okay. Is there a page you can point me to, for the distinction? And also, you've reverted and locked from editing two items that I'd ask you to reconsider - the first is a correction of fact [3] and the second is a crucial aspect of the case that the legal precedents of Bridgeman and its cites are in fact from high level UK cases and not US based (as the existing cites and story suggest, which now appears to be an incorrect impression). FT2 (Talk | email) 10:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
It is only semi-protected, you should still be able to edit it. The point was to stop people who'd not read all the background already there from chipping in and changing things like English to British where inappropriate. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
To note, breaking was never applicable to this article. That's for "Bomb explodes in London" when you've confirmation of the explosion, but no causalty details and the story will change. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Thanks (and thanks for that note too). As a user who might be deemed to "not know the project" :) it's probably best I heed the advice, and refrain from editing further on it. Would either or both of the above edits be okay, with none anticipated beyond that? I would rather check explicitly while I'm learning :) FT2 (Talk | email) 11:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
I think so, it's easy to manage when it is not a wholesale rewrite. Of concern to me is use of the {{source}} template without a date. Such links should not use the template as the content they refer to is undated. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Edit done as discussed, including "date" field (diff); I'm leaving it as it now is, unless something else comes up. Thanks for your time in explaining things :) FT2 (Talk | email) 11:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Brian, would you mind doing a peer review for the artilce above? I changed the title, added sources and re-edited it. Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 18:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Need Fr -> EN translators

Can you announce somewhere (a village pump ?) that the article French workers put gas canister around factory's vehicules to get fair extra cash -an original wikinews interview- need a Fr -> EN translation. I don't know where find this help, and I have to go. Tonneins (talk) 14:05, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

username change on commons

I am requesting a rename on Commons. My current Commons name is Brianmc. Brian McNeil / talk 13:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

ArbCom election

You are invited to make a statement at Wikinews:Arbitration Committee/2009 elections. Computerjoe's talk 15:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply


Brian, could you put a site-wide notice up about the ArbCom elections? I don't know how to, and doubt that a non-sys-op could. Computerjoe's talk 20:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hey Brian. Sorry I did not get back to you over the Museums and Art article, a wee while back. I was having fun recovering after a stay in A&E at the time. Hope all is well your way! :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

About the LA Fitness Shooting Article

If you take a look at the Wikipedia article about this news, the perpetrator of the shooting is that person and there are already major media reporting about the shooter. I don't mind about the revert but you can verify it in Wikipedia. -- (talk) (my page in Wikipedia) 01:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Yes, but you (a) added information not mentioned in any sources, and did not provide a source to back it up. and (b) Wikinews articles are not a work in progress. They are a snapshot of what was known at the time. They should not change substantially after publication. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)Reply


Adding cats to a large number of articles is probably an ideal candidate for using the flood flag. Adambro (talk) 18:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Proposal on strategy

I consider to make a proposal on strategy.wikimedia. So I'm checking, which proposals are somehow connected to mine. Especially I noticed your sentence: "this is really a highly inappropriate form to store the data in". So you're maybe interested in my proposal:

"This is an long term proposal: We collect immense amounts of data without doing much effort do make it processurable. A natural extension of what we do is a project, providing a host for data with an orientation on processurability by (computer-)programs. [...]The steering by wikimedia is needed because we have an hypertext environment which is adapted to put any amout of human readable text into context, but not to host data."

This is the first and sole paragraph of . My still vague goal is a service orientated at historical time series and series of general interest generated by Wikipedia-articels, so weather time series would fit nicely into this.

Greetings, -- (talk) 19:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC) (Erzbischof 21:06, 13. Aug. 2009 (CEST)Reply

This fits in very nicely with the idea of collating weather information. Another item of data that can be collected is earthquake reports. We already have a bot runs in the #wikinews channel on freenode that follows USGS reports and alerts when there's a 5.0 or higher quake. I'd suggest looking for other datasets so you've maybe as many as half a dozen to put forward. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
I would like to work together with de:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Vorlagenauswertung/en who generate datasets from templates in german wikipedia, and of course, your input is appreciated. I think it's important so start with a fairly general concept able to host these different already existing projects. Thank you, --Erzbischof (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2009 (UTC).Reply

You have mail

You have email from last night about something Dragon and I were discussing. Your opinions are wanted. So give them up! ;) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 20:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

I saw something this morning, but was distracted at the time. Seem to have mis-filed or otherwise lost - can you resend? --Brian McNeil / talk 20:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
No problem. Done. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 20:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Image license

Hey Brian, I noticed you uploaded File:Horizontal-IB.png a while ago. As part of a cleanup, I was wondering if you could add a proper license (which will automatically add a proper category as well). Thanks! Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talkcontribs) 23:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

It could go to commons, I've no desire to keep it and there's nothing local in the way of templates to use with it. --Brian McNeil / talk 01:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for adding a license. I think it can be moved to the commons. For now I left it and added an appropriate license-template (cc-by 2.5). If you think 3.0 is fine as well, please change it or let me know. Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talkcontribs) 10:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

László Sólyom banned from Slovakia

Please elaborate how this news has failed the criterion of being "newsworthy". I will try to rephrase some of the article, but unfortunately I cannot change facts. What happened, has happened, our task is to report about it. Qorilla (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

It was not reviewed for newsworthiness - just style where there were some big problems. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
Sorry then. On the page it was written "Newsworthiness: Failed". I guess it is "Failed" by default in the template. By the way I cited respected international sources and added more quotes. Could you tell me your opinion about the current state of the article? Qorilla (talk) 18:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Licensing update

Hi, m:User:MGodwin redirected me to you. I have some questions update. ere is the message I sent to MGodwin: I contribute to Turkish Wikinews and this project's license is CC-BY 2.5 and I wonder if this project is affected by licensing update, should we change our license to CC-By-SA 3.0? Also, there is a new version of CC-BY license. It is 3.0. But all wikinews are using CC-BY 2.5. What is the difference between these two versions? Can we use CC-BY 3.0 instead of 2.5? Thanks in advance. Srhat (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

The difference the license change makes is that Wikipedia can now incorporate material from Wikinews because of their change of license. It doesn't work the other way round, Wikinews can't take material from Wikipedia.
I don't know the detailed changes between the 2.5 and 3.0 CC-BY licenses, but there are some points to note:
    • Originally en.wn was Public Domain
    • Wikinews switched to CC-BY-2.5, all old articles remained PD, new content CC-BY-2.5
    • Existing articles cannot be moved from 2.5 to 3.0 unless 2.5 contains a migration clause
    • If no migration clause, a cut-off and changeover would be required
    • A vote to change or migrate would be on meta as all wikinews must move for interlanguage translation reasons
Personally, I see no compelling reason to change license. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. It was really helpful. Srhat (talk) 19:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)Reply


Thanks for the tip. I wasn't sure why it removed it, when it seemed to be displaying just fine. I'll check with the bot owner later sometime today. Drew R. Smith (talk) 21:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

I am back for good

Hey Brian I am back. I propose we raise the standard of Wikinews. I wont review the articles like before, in more depth and with proper reasoning, shall start writing new articles soon. See ya soon ! Danger^Mouse (talk) 12:33, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

My RfA

Just wanted to say thanks for participating in my RfA. I'll be sure to put the tools to good use. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 18:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

re Wikinews talk:Obituary from Wikipedia

Thank you very much for thinking of me and giving me notice about this, no I had not seen it yet. Cirt (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Heads up

[4]. I had hoped this would not happen. :( Cirt (talk) 07:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

That looks much better, nice work. :) Cirt (talk) 21:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

You deleted this saying it not be news. But it is everywhere in the news ... see just here How can you say it not be news? RAWR -- (talk) 13:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Because it had no content, no sources, and could thus not be verified or checked. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Man suspected of downloading child porn in mall in Honolulu, Hawaii

Is this better?

A 45 year old man from Kaimuki was arrested Tuesday, September 2nd, at the Apple Store
 at Ala Moana Center after workers saw him downloading child 
pornography on one of the stores computers.

The source was threadbare, so there's really not much to work with... I could also change Ala Moana Center to Ala Moana mall, which is what most people here call it. Drew R. Smith (talk) 11:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

You need to lose part of the Wikipedia thinking, as well as get more critical of what is reported. First, Tuesday of this week does not need qualified with the date. If the article is referred to now, then people know what is meant by the day of the week. If it is referred to at some point in the future then it is trivial to work out what the date is from the date template on the article. Specifying the date is an encyclopedic style of reference. Second, "workers saw him downloading child pornography" tends to assume they're correct and he's guilty. They may claim he downloaded it, or some such other term. The key point is Wikinews takes no position on it. What the workers say is an allegation. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
How's it look now? Drew R. Smith (talk) 13:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
It looks better, but you didn't read the {{copyvio}} template closely enough. As specified on the template, the article should be rewritten on a sub-page so the page containing the copyright violation can be deleted - the disputed page remains in the history otherwise. Unfortunately, it's now just two paragraphs whereas unless something is breaking news three is looked for as a minimum. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply


I am the author of this interview. I do not understand what copyright violation are you talking about. Please tell me if in this case "(I mean beeing the author of this interview) is anything wrong with my interview.--C (talk) 13:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

It would help if you put your comment in context, perhaps with a link to the article you are referring to.
As a guess to what you're referring to, a {{single source}} article almost-automatically falls under suspicion of copyright infringement. If the article is a literal translation of a source in a foreign language, then you may be surprised to learn that this is most definitely a copyright violation.
IIRC these points are moot, the article in question is based on something from at least two months ago - indisputably {{stale}}.. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

I forgot to mention that interview was taken by me 2 month ago, but was printed in the journal only 1 day ago.So it is fresh news.I suppose in this case it is not {{stale}}, right? I will mention a link to the article just as soon as it will be posted on the source I mention allready. The journal has strated to be distributed and to be bought by readers only from today.I have for the moment only a pdf or jpg version of the article. You can see it here or here : C (talk) 06:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

This is not the appropriate place for this - please take it up on your article's talk page. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

re w:Template talk:Recent death

  Done. Now what about w:Template:Current related, w:Template:Current section, w:Template:Current, and w:Template Current spaceflight? Cirt (talk) 16:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Update: Added it back so far only at w:Template:Recent death. However, was reverted again within short order, by same individual. Cirt (talk) 17:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
My considered and thought-out response is utterly unprintable. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
Oh, and I did versions of all the other templates in my userspace (so /Current, /Current section, etc.) --Brian McNeil / talk 17:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
Well, FWIW, I posted a central notice at w:Template:Cent, and at w:Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Cirt (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Large earthquake strikes nation of Georgia

Brian McNeil please check You will see the GEORGIA (SAK'ART'VELO) quake was reported at 5.9 not 6.2. Please correct this.

Unfortunately the demanding IP is correct. Originally the USGS reported this as 6.2, even after a seismologist reviewed it (saw it with my own eyes). They have since revised it to 5.9. Goes to show how awesome Georgian geologists are.... 8.0... what a joke. Anyways, article updated to reflect this. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 06:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Sure he had a contribution today. See Special:Contributions/ Was already warned for nonsense a few days ago; see talk and deleted contribs, so they knew it was unwanted and needed a little bit of removal from our site. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 15:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

recent review of pakistan bombings

I removed your review; almost the entirety of the text (at least 6 paragraphs) were ripped directly from this VOA article Xavexgoem (talk) 09:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Alright, I'll revert to the previous. Sorry about that. I am new here (I still contend we can do better; I don't see the point in writing an article simply because it's that easy). While I'm at it, I just wrote an article on the Peru/Honduras thing... I'm unclear what parts need to be cleaned up. Could you give me some more specific guidance? Thank you. Xavexgoem (talk) 09:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
Em, what's not clear from the cleanup tag? The title is confusing, and a location as part of the dateline is not done unless you are at the scene (Are you in Honduras?). Lastly, the article had no categories. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:32, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
Gotcha. I tend to read templates without regard for any variables (I'm cynical that way); sorry about that. I've made the title more straightforward, added categories, and marked for review. Xavexgoem (talk) 09:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Page Deletion

Thanks for the info, didn't mean to not give attribution; I didn't know I was allowed to change the name to articles others had created, thought I had to start all over.--JaylanHaley (talk) 22:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

No problem. Once you know why you shouldn't cut-and-paste you'll never do it again - because you don't want someone else to do it to your work. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 22:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hi Brian, I was just welcomed with your wonderful template. I rarely stick around here at WN but I will take it as inspiration for future templates. With a smile, --Mietchen (talk) 14:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Single sentence openings

I do have to argue with your theory about single-sentence openings as lots of articles have just one sentence in the first paragraph. --Rayboy8 (talk) 16:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Yes, but a lot of sources use that as a "here is what to be concerned or outraged about", so it can be very difficult to be really WN:NPOV when your opening paragraph is a single sentence assertion.
It also doesn't take into consideration when a link to the story is posted on Facebook or elsewhere. You want to take the first paragraph (lede) answer as much of the 5W&H as you can, and that's what you present to enourage people to read the full article. A single-sentence opening paragraph is, really, just having a second headline. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)Reply


Those changes sound trivial. I'll implement them tomorrow and I'll add a couple of news from SETimes. If everything would be OK, I think that I may start with bot the day after tomorrow. --millosh (talk) 18:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Take a look at the page User:Millosh/examples/Topi says Albania aware of NATO responsibilities. I think that I would be able to start bot tomorrow. I've made User:Millbot-VoA account and I am starting to work on it. --millosh (talk) 10:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
See the change I made there, and Template:Develop which now has extensive documentation. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
OK. Fixed. Do you want some comment for {{develop|setimes}}? --millosh (talk) 12:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
There's a link to the Wikipedia article on the parent org displayed as part of the develop template - and a hint they might not be NPOV. That can be made more prominent or explicit if it's felt we need to do so. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
May you write the sentence which you want as a comment? I realized that I am not able to make a concise sentence in English about that :) --millosh (talk) 15:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
No statement, just the {{develop|setimes}} or {{develop|VOA}}. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:26, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

I've added {{source}} into SETimes bot. --millosh (talk) 06:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Re: open proxies

I'm getting most of the IPs off lists at w:Wikipedia:Open proxy detection and m:Meta:Open proxy detection, which i think are pretty reliable. I don't know why that particular IP was a false positive, perhaps it closed itself since then or I made a mistake when copying the numbers. Sorry about that. Tempodivalse [talk] 19:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

That was the second, although I lost track of the earlier one. In that case I looked at the same IP's talk on WP - blocked in '2007. I am actually scanning them, don't block them based on outdated information from meta or wp. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
You want something called Zenmap, which is a graphical front-end to the unix nmap tool. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
yeah, i probably should get it. I thought that all the OP lists were up-to-date, but looks like they weren't -- my bad. I'll be extra-careful in the future. Cheers Tempodivalse [talk] 19:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Wiki administrator is a great excuse for when your ISP screams at you for doing port scans. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

SETimes bot

Fixed. --millosh (talk) 02:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)Reply


I was trying to put a period in, because one is missing. One of the problems with using multiple nested templates is that it is very difficult to achieve proper grammar for certain conditionals. Here is an example of what is missing: US criticises Turkey for postponing NATO exercise. There is a period missing after "neutrality". Gopher65talk 15:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

requested articles? no rush for a reply i know your busy take your time. cheers :) and thanks.

hello Brian sorry to take up your time i know your very busy just wanted to ask if you did requested article's and make them into a full article to be published if this is not your bag then thats fine just was wondering because some users on here might help out on the ra's. take your time in answering no rush thanks. (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

It's one of those pages I rarely look at. Give it a go yourself, but be careful of sources. I see one recently added that cites two sources which are just different websites with the same AP story. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Ok thanks Brian for replying back to me and i'am not that great at writing articles full length even shorts are difficult for me they take time and effort and patience lol just hard for me to do sometimes but you never know someone might jump on one of the requests? never know cheers :) thank you. (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thank you

Thank you for your review of the article US free speech lawyer Marc Randazza discusses Glenn Beck parody. Also, thank you for your good copyediting. :) Cheers, Cirt (talk) 11:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

You've been spending too much time on Wikipedia recently ;-) It shows in your writing. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Valid point. My apologies. I guess it would help to focus on current events writing, but they pull me back in... :P Cirt (talk) 11:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
I was reading the article, going hmmm... interesting ..... *bleep!* another bloody colon! At least it isn't the other extreme that we've all tried to guide DF away from; BREAKING! READ-ALL-ABOUT-IT! Hamster escapes from cage :-P --Brian McNeil / talk 11:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Heh, true. Well, thanks again. :) Cirt (talk) 11:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)Reply


Thank you for reviewing my article IBEX satellite releases first all sky map, and fixing the title! I just have a question (which would be expected with my first article).

I understand that a handbook, or really any book for that matter, is not the best source for news content. The only reason I pulled out that textbook was to review the workings of the Heliosphere. Is that okay for future articles? Also is there a way to cite local newspapers which are printed not published online?


--Marx01 Tell me about it 01:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

VoA bot

  • Articles are being imported with Upstyle titles, WN:SG is downstyle - can this be fixed?
    • Heh. I want to add some linguistic tools to the bot, but it is too early for such issues. First of all I would like to recognize country or so. For making them downstyle program would need to know which words should and which shouldn't be with small initial letter. --millosh (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • Items like "Website of the week" are editorial/magazine content. Can these be excluded?
  • VOA and SETimes seem to sometimes share stories - noted imported dupes today.


I'm sorry, but I still don't understand what you refer to as "Hagiography" in this article here. Why is it not ready to be published? --Rayboy8 (talk) 21:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Well, Wikipedia puts the term more in context, but the specific section is w:Hagiography#Secular_usage. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
I can't understand why this was rejected either. Obviously a funeral is going to have lots of positive comments about the deceased, what else would be in the article? And Wikinews seems to have published similar articles previously. (Don't get me wrong, I don't like hagiographies either, and am disturbed by Wikipedia's embrace of them under the guise of "BLP", but that's another story.) the wub "?!" 13:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
There was not a single critical point in the entire article, or - in fact - in any of the numerous articles on someone who was a former pop star no longer in the public eye. An early article on his death had a hamfisted attempt to include something from one of the UK's tabloid papers, but it would have been quite a bit of work to include this in a reasonable manner; the piece was editorial in nature, condemned Gately for his homosexuality, and implied he died young as a result of this. Wikipedia would throw it out instantly on BLP grounds, but it was a significant criticism - even if only for the near-universal condemnation it brought the publisher. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

INDECT article

Hi, just wanted to let you know about my comments at Wikinews:Featured article candidates#Listening to you at last: EU plans to tap cell phones and Talk:Listening to you at last: EU plans to tap cell phones#Concerns. the wub "?!" 13:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Please review

Could you review AFL provides insufficiant support for European leagues: Germany please?--RockerballAustralia (talk) 14:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

I'll look when I'm finished what I'm doing, and you fix the spelling error in the title. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
I fixed the typo. :-) Tempodivalse [talk] 15:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Hey, thanks. If you spot another victim-editor, mug them. This is taking a little longer than I expected. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Anonymous users

I have nothing to do with or, see [5] --House1630 (talk) 09:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

  • Responded on talk

We don't invite anons to open an account quite as curtly as that; see {{Howdy-anon}}, and don't subst it. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't give a damn if you're intimately related to those IP addresses or not. Don't use that message. It's borderline rude to someone who prefers not to open an account. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:59, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

--Brian McNeil / talk 10:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

The question is whether an article of anonymous users may be published, see I can only make a proof scientifically or technically, not personally - that means that I don't go to Hongkong to look if it is real. In the meantime this article has been submitted for speedy deletion according to the Criteria for speedy deletion. --House1630 (talk) 10:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

I have no idea whatsoever why you're harassing me about this. Read the policies, read the links in the welcome template on your user page. You cannot review or publish an article until you are granted the WN:EDITOR privilege. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Reply


Actually, you have the wrong Marx. Karl Marx is a relative of mine, and I like some of his ideals, although the ways in which they have been implemented has led to unfortunate results. Thanks for the consideration! Happy writing! Marx01 Tell me about it 00:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Oh, no. It's an old political online joke. "I like to consider myself a Marxist, I find his works reasoned, articulate, and compelling <link to Groucho &c>" --Brian McNeil / talk 04:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Well now I feel silly. At least now I have two things to laugh at; My own unawareness and the joke! Thank you for clarifying that! Marx01 Tell me about it 18:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Or, "Karl, the never-seen on-screen Marx brother". :-) --Brian McNeil / talk 22:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Please Review

Can you review Wikinews interviews Zahra Stardust about the upcoming by-election in the Bradfield electorate of the Australian parliament --RockerballAustralia (talk) 12:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hello BrianMC

hi! I have seen that User:Brian McNeil/Archive 12/Newsroom, you have copied some elements from my newsroom but some of them are wrong. In start a new article remove the parser {{#ifexist:...}} as you don't want the article intro and preload to be my supbages but the standard templates. So, the source change suggested is:

preload={{#ifexist:User:Srinivas/New page|User:Srinivas/New page|Template:New page}}
editintro={{#ifexist:User:Srinivas/New article intro|User:Srinivas/New article intro|Template:New article intro}}
preload=Template:New page
editintro=Template:New article intro

Srinivas 04:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

Re: Review

I cannot believe I let something like that go! I was mainly looking in the article for any biased comments and misspellings there. I will make sure that this does not occur in the future. Thank you for catching that! Marx01 Tell me about it 01:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

Wikinews turns five COI?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm guessing your referring to the video and the last paragraph when you saying there is a COI issue in the above article? As per what I've done in the past I'm going to state my COI - or what i perceive it to be on the articles talk page --RockerballAustralia (talk) 11:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

Numbers in headlines

I hesitated about writing "twenty" in the Berlin Wall celebrations headline as opposed to 20; in the interest of brevity I put 20 but in the future I will spell out numbers appropriately. Thanks Brian! --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 12:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

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