User talk:Brian McNeil/Archive 11

Latest comment: 15 years ago by Laslovarga in topic Sorry

Hey Brian..

Hey Brian, Hope you're doing better and thy heart is working better. Do take care, Your Pal, iDangerMouse (write on my user page the reply :P ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Could you do a peer review for the article above? Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 23:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

You were too late, I'd gone to bed. See someone else got it. --Brian McNeil / talk 06:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Think it would be appropriate to promote this to lead story? It's been number one in page hits for the last two hours. Durova (talk) 20:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps in place of the wildfire story, yes. That one is from yesterday. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Excessive surgeries swell Medicare costs

Hi Brian, glad to see someone besides myself is here. :) Think you could make time to give my latest article a review? Best, Durova (talk) 08:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Just about to jump in a bath before heading off to the hospital for my torturephysiotherapy. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Ack, hope it's worth the pain. Durova (talk) 08:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
I have three times 1.5 hour sessions a week for the next six months following my heart surgery. They expect that after 3 months I should be able to cycle the 30km to the hospital from home. If that is the case, it will likely be the fittest I've ever been in my life. If I do dare try that I think I'll be buying a more comfortable seat for my mountain bike so I don't arrive with a totally numb ass. :-P --Brian McNeil / talk 08:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Still learning - thanks

Re: "Wikinews is not like Wikipedia, articles are not works in progress and there should be no notable changes after 24-36 hours. I have rolled back a recent edit of yours as a result of this rule. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)" Thanks for this - since it was still able to be edited, and I didn't add new information or content, I thought adding a primary source would add to the authority of the piece. Take care... (talk)

Random fixing request

Good morning. Since Church of Scientology falsely accuses internet group 'Anonymous' of 2007 school shooting and its talk page are both protected and the opinions page seems like an inappropriate place for this, I picked the first likely-looking editor from the Recent Changes list. The article contains one "Joleka" when it should read "Jokela," and more importantly it gets the number of victims wrong. The Wikinews article reports nine dead plus the gunman, The Wikipedia article and its sources report nine dead including the gunman. This happens in a direct quote from the Church of Scientology, which of course shouldn't be changed, but also in ordinary text, which should be fixed by changing "and himself" to "including himself." Could you take care of this? KTHX <3 -- 10:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Azamishaque (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

RE: Ass Puss

I didn't know about that. Thanks for the heads up - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 07:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

O I thought its done

lemme know to review it properly then IDangerMouse (talk) 13:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Third party U.S. presidential candidates hold debate

Could you do a peer review for the article above? Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 22:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Brian, even though the article above was peer reviewed and published, it still does not appear as a story on the front page. I made it a headline, but it doesn't appear with the rest of today's stories. Is there anything that can be done to fix this? Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 14:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
I assume it was reviewed by someone who is not holding the Editor privilege. Before anything will appear on the front page it must be "sighted" by an Editor. This is part of the Flagged Revisions extension. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Re: Ass Pus/Mumfum

(titles you thought you'd never type, number 25...)

Yeah, I've seen him about before. I probably should have done some protections myself, but I had to be going. Good job blocking the guy, I trust it was for several months? Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 17:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Reply


Hi Brian, noticed you're active. Would you like to join us on Skype in a few hours for a Wikinews session? Durova (talk) 18:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC) I forget which is your time zone. Here's the list: Durova (talk) 18:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

   * Monday, November 3 2:00:00 PM – Los Angeles
   * Monday, November 3 5:00:00 PM – New York City
   * Monday, November 3 10:00:00 PM – London
   * Tuesday, November 4, 2008 at 6:00:00 AM – Beijing
   * Tuesday, November 4, 2008 at 9:00:00 AM - Syndey


Hi Brian. I've gotta say {{Howdy}} is a great piece of work and brings Wikinews welcome messages into the 21st century. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Redirect to Dewey Defeats Truman?

Saw your edit summary.[1] Durova (talk) 22:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for Blocking sock puppets

I here by award you with this barnstar for blocking sock puppets -- Danger^Mouse (talk) 17:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Samak Thai PM.jpg

I have replied on my Commons talk page. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Reply


"you caused no harm as we have Flagged Revisions installed"—I'm aware of this. As such, I'm wondering what the harm is. Jade Knight (talk) 01:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

The "harm" is getting something on the front page that has not been reviewed appropriately and thus jeopardising our Google News listing and damaging credibility. In the first instance where you added {{publish}} there were howling spelling errors in the article and the first shorts item used foreign language sources which I assume you likely could not check.
Flagged revisions has been integrated with Dynamic Page Lists (DPLs) which drive/automate the creation of the front page. Among the parameters selected in the front page DPLs is one to prevent articles which have not been sighted by a trusted editor from showing up, and a second to add the page id to the URL for an article to meet Google's requirement for a numeric identifier. If not for the former then the article would have been spidered and indexed by the Googlebot, appeared in Google news, and unpublishing would not have seen it removed. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Didn't notice that you'd responded on your own talk page. Thanks for the explanation; User:Gopher65 said something along the same lines, but more succinctly, and it makes sense. I'll avoid using "publish" directly in the future. Jade Knight (talk) 14:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

User:Um I did not understand what you said

You should be aware of this account. See the bs on wikisource. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Post-election spam

Thank you for supporting me for adminship. :) I'll try to make you glad you did it. So here's a Nadezhda "Harry S. Truman" Durova campaign song. All the best, Durova (talk) 00:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Cover page to the sheet music
I'm Just Wild About Harry

"nobody in their right mind calls the above consensus."

[2] - This wording is a bit harsh, and indeed this particular phrase was not needed to convey your point, the rest of your text in that post would have been fine by itself. Harsh language such as this is not conducive to positive dialogue and productive progress on discussion within the community. Cirt (talk) 18:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Yes, the wording was harsh. I thought it was totally out of order when you don't even have a handful of supporters for a policy that means significant changes could go on "behind the scenes". Harsh words were merited. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Harsh words are not merited. They are non-constructive, and facilitate negative dialogue and emotions, instead of fostering polite and constructive dialogue. Please take care to be more polite in the future. Thanks. Cirt (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Usurption request (Beano1 -> Beano)

It is said in the WN:CHU page that I should notify a bureaucrat that I am seeking usurption. I don't believe that bugging you with a message would help me, but I thought I should obey the instructions on the page. I hope I didn't mis-read or mis-understand it. Do you mind taking a look? Thank you for your time and thank you for considering the usurption. Beano1 (talk) 09:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

  Done --Brian McNeil / talk 09:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! That was very fast! I actually thought I typed my password in wrong because of how fast that was... :-) Beano (talk) 09:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
You got lucky, I was just online and saw the message on my talk. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for welcoming

Dear entrepreneur, i encourage you to contribute to the following article: see you,

RD--Eurobas (talk) 09:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

User:SupporterOfTerrorism and User:DogWithWings

Hi Brian, I noticed you blocked DogWithWings for being a sockpuppet. Meanwhile, PatrickFlaherty blocked SupporterOfTerrorism for having an unacceptable user name. That doesn't seem fair to this person, who only made two valid edits.

Further, having two accounts does not constitute sock puppetry in and of itself. It is only when such accounts are used to violate or circumvent enforcement of policies, or to otherwise be deceptive. That does not seem to be the case here. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Take it up with Patrick, the two actions are not related. Or unblock the account with an edit history and leave the request to seek a rename standing. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
I am taking it up with you because: 1) SupporterOfTerrorism is not an appropriate username; 2) you blocked DogWithWings when no sock puppetry occurred. --SVTCobra 17:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

I am taking a break

Schizo kicking in.. will be back in a month or so cheers. -- Danger^Mouse (talk) 17:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC) haha I was watching this cartoon, the replacements... reminded me of your line ... everything can be fixed with a duct tape. -- Danger^Mouse (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

News Quiz

I've never written a news quiz before! I thought it was fun. :) Mike Halterman (talk) 09:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Loved the "Economy for dummies" comment on one of the photos. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)Reply


No need to flag on WN:AAA. I already made a post to Wikinews:Water_cooler/miscellaneous#.22Message_to_Scientology.22_video. Let us be cordial about this and discuss on the article's talk page please until we hear from a third-party editor. No need to cross-post this to multiple different forums. Cirt (talk) 14:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

I received this as I flagged. It needs admin attention as the article is fully protected. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
It'll sit and fester for ages on the Water Cooler. I am appealing for your last revert to be overturned, I'd like it done in a timely fashion. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

News vs Encyclopedia

Thanks for reminding me of that. I guess I still think of Wikinews too much in terms of Wikipedia. ♪TempoDiValse15:11, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

dude, i know, its just a stupid science assignment for my biology class, i started making it as an article in wikinews because i wanted it to look professional and impress my teacher. thanks for deleting it...didnt appreciate it. 16:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

oh, and just to let u know, i READ the policy, and besides the article being with very little context it WAS not a patent nonsense, because i wasn't even done with the article, or even close to starting. not very kind of you to riun my future assignment. cant u just let me finish, and then u can delete it after i print it? 16:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

what do mean ive ignored your warning. what did i do? i'm trying to see the last bit of what i had so i can copy it to my notebook. Why in the heck are u gonna block me? Who are u to do that? Are u an administrator. i just want to see what i had...(not very much) 17:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

nevermind i can see what i wrote. so if i want to do this i must register? anyways sorry for the misunderstanding, but maybe u could be a little nicer, i don't really know what i'm doing... Thanks for your considerate, but sort of harsh warning. 17:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

thank you, but that's not neccesary, i got what i needed. Youre just doing your job. 17:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

"Excuse me? This is reality calling!"

Please change your tone. I am simply discussing the facts. This is not about you, or me, it is about discussng the template {{update}} itself. There is no need for this type of attitude, bolding, etc. Cirt (talk) 23:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Oh, don't be silly. You're representing the situation to suit the position you have chosen. It deserves questioned in a less than serious manner. To suggest that there is widespread consensus for the use of {{update}} is patently absurd. To suggest that a "no consensus" result on the template's deletion is a carte-blanche to use it where it suits your agenda is disingenuous. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
I have not suggested that there s "widespread consensus". Go back and read what I wrote. I said that the end result of the deletion discussion is that the template was not deleted. Your tone in this dialogue is a tad too invective and not conducive to a polite and constructive discussion. Cirt (talk) 23:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
No, but you used the template for what was a "business as usual" development in the story. I chose not to get into a revert war, and I read your comment as an attempt to say, "nothing to see here. move along, move along". --Brian McNeil / talk 23:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Apparently you are reading too much into my comments. Perhaps it would be best for both of us to take a break from editing things of each others' for a day or so and step back for a breather so as to better be able to converse and discuss things more professionally, and more politely as well. Cirt (talk) 00:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
No. You're downplaying something I think it is important gets sorted out. Again.
I have responded on the Water Cooler and would prefer less hassle on my talk page, please stop trying to lecture me about how to handle online communication. I've been online for over 20 years, I know what I'm saying, the way its said is me, and its intentional. If you're taking massive offense over it, you don't know me very well, or there's more truth to it than you'll admit. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

"Excuse me? This is reality calling!" -- This type of language does not further polite dialogue. Please adjust your communcation in the future to be more polite. Cirt (talk) 00:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

No. Bite me. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
There was absolutely no reason for you to use language like that. And this addition just now of you saying "Bite me" is even more so an example showing that you do not wish to have a polite dialogue. This is unfortunate. I would rather not resort myself to language like "Excuse me? This is reality calling!" or "Bite me" - but apparently you do want to stoop to that negative vitriolic level. That is quite inappropriate. I would much rather stick to a discussion of the matter at hand itself, instead of your methods of trying to bullbait the editors themselves involved in the discussion with your rude and impolite words. Please. Stop. Cirt (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
I started with a polite point on WN:WC, I got an effort to dismiss it as not needing anyone else worry their pretty little head about it. Now, I'm done, I'm going for some sleep, and you *will* make this the last word on my talk page on the subject. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Brian, stop being a bitch. Cirt, stop picking a fight. Play nice kids - See my comments on WC. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 07:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Why you reverted my only edit?

Is there a reason for reversion? I replaced phrase because 30% dieing from bone marrow transplants is not true. And my statement was more neutral... 09:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply


Hi Brian, I would like to take you up on your offer of sending me a copy of the template. I am not sure how often I can get it done at the moment but am willing to give it ago. Just fire me off an email cartmanau-at-gmail - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 00:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Let's move on

I am glad that ShakataGaNai (talk · contribs) intervened with some wise words and good ideas. Can we agree to disagree about some things and yet also try to be more civil with each other in the future and move on from here? I think we both have the good of the project at heart and it would be nice to work together to further that. Cirt (talk) 05:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Actually, I thought it was Skenmy settled the disagreement over the video. What irked me and lit my fuse was the way you seemed to be dismissing my objections to the {{update}} template. I was looking for a discussion on if, when, and how we should forward-reference from articles in the archive. Having written WN:ARCHIVE I have strong opinions that we shouldn't really do that at all - people have been rapped on the knuckles for trying to do it with the related news section. If we do, then it starts to get complicated fast on long running stories. Take, for example, the Thai political crisis; its going on now, it follows a coup in 2006, and I actually have stories on some of the actors from prior to the PAD being set up.
I'm much more in favour of infoboxes or something similar being used to forward-reference from old articles. Perhaps we need to make a new class of boxes for story timelines, but where they're manually maintained as opposed to running off a DPL. In this way you can also use a bullet point to document a development in the story timeline where we don't have an article as well as link to the key articles we do have on the story.
If you take your Tony Alamo stories, what would be the key points? Set up of the ministries? Arrests? Children taken into care? What else?
Assuming we were to go that way, do we start looking at which external sites maintain reliable archives with fixed URLs? i.e. If we missed part of a story should we link in the timeline box to the NYT article on it? --Brian McNeil / talk 07:32, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
All valid points, all should certainly be discussed. My point in posting this new subsection was to attempt to patch things up a bit with regard to the manner in which these issues have been discussed. We can discuss the content of the various issues themselves separately. When one or both parties in a conflict have an abrasive manner or revert each other or use impolite language and words, positive discussion and then constructive steps forward becomes much more difficult. I realize probably 50% of this in this conflict was my fault, and so I hope we can both improve upon that in the future. Cirt (talk) 07:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
The best way to move on is to work on the above points or a reasonable alternative. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'd rather work on the above points in a separate discussion. I just wanted to emphasize in this subsection the separate issue that no matter what we are discussing, we should both try to be more polite and civil with each other, and not revert each other. I am sorry for the reverting we got into on my part and whatever comments I may have made that were misinterpreted or read the wrong way, and I will try my best to be more careful about that in the future. Cirt (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Category:Speedy deletion

Could you have a look at this please, as one's been there a couple of days now. Many thanks - tholly --Talk-- 10:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)Reply


  The Barnstar of National Merit
I Anonymous101talk, award Brianmc this barnstar for excellent reporting on Thailand Anonymous101talk 12:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
this WikiAward was given to Brianmc by Anonymous101talk on 12:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, appreciated! --Brian McNeil / talk 12:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

2008 Prairie meteoroid

You deleted this article which I was still making. Why? It is HUGE news here in Saskatchewan. The meteor fragments were just discovered TWO days ago and they are still out there looking for more evidence of the meteor before we get more snow. It was in Satudays {yesterdays} newspaper local. So if my real newspaper publishes news that should still be good enough for wikinews news Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 20:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

  • You copied from Wikipedia - not allowed per copyright.
  • The article was not in context - hence notnews deletion.
--Brian McNeil / talk 20:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • The content on wikipedia is put online as per Text of the GNU Free Documentation License Quotation: "The purpose of this License is to make a manual, textbook, or other functional and useful document "free" in the sense of freedom: to assure everyone the effective freedom to copy and redistribute it, with or without modifying it, either commercially or noncommercially." so it is allowed as per wikipedia copyright policies.
  • I don't understand the not in context line... can you direct me to a page or rephrase please.

Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 21:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

This is not Wikipedia, this is Wikinews. Wikipedia is indeed licensed under the GFDL, but Wikinews is not. It is the CC-BY license. Due to incompatibility we cannot take content from Wikipedia. The viral nature of GFDL prevents us from doing so.
"Not in context" refers to the article reading like an encyclopedia entry, not like a news report. There was no clear event as a focus of the piece. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Ahh I understand now SriMesh | talk 03:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Re Ethnic clashes in Karachi, Pakistan kill dozens

Thanks for the positive suggestion and the book. Azamishaque (talk) 10:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the Welcome, Query and can you adopt me?

Hi! Before I begin here, let me ask if my User Page is OK. It is the same User Page that was approved[3] by my adopter User:Diligent Terrier and others in Wikipedia English. Unfortunately, I lost the battle for blocking sought by my very own 3 co-Filipino and co-Ateneo de Manila University editors-administrator-detractors. The battle took so long and they went to the extent of blanking my User Page. It is anathema to Wikipedia's philosophy and goals.

It was really too personal, "a vendetta" so to speak; I do not desire to contribute, here, if my professional articles like legal ones, even, news itetms, would not be cited by jurists and schools due to Wikipedia Disclaimer. (NOTE: due to massive corruption in the Philippines, some of our Universities banned Wikipedia from being cited or used in Thesis/Research - reason? - book publishing cartel lost its business due to Wikipedia). For this reason, I worked hard for a year to slowly create/develop my Wiki English User Page so that - as author of legal articles (or here, of news articles, even if I am not an accredited journalist, but) as lawyer/judge, the legal and professional community will, have reasons to cite my works as secondary authority, or learned treatise as allowed by the Rules of evidence.
Further, I created a sub-page[4] as basis for the legal community to accept my works and cite them, as legal treatise because of my expertise on the matter. THEREFORE, I do not wish to contribute here, if, since I am not a journalist, my works would just be disregarded for lack of authority or expertise. I therefore, respectfully ask you as administrator, if my User Page is OK, and will not be deleted here. I hope you do understand my legal predicament. And I also know you have no crystal ball on what others will say, especially, since, my 3 detractors there, are monitoring all my works, and even here, for now. I do not want to waste time here, as I wasted more than 1 year in Wikipedia English only to have lost my blocking case against my very own 3 Filipino Wikipedians-personal enemies (to be candid, our personal enmity does not deal with Wikipedia, but due to the prophecies I inscribed in many talk pages, when I was challenged by them; the most stunning is the Mumbai prophecy, where I was blocked on November 22 for uploading the IP address Mumbai-Bombai of an editor, as I previously repeated the CURSE, even if he was the one who displayed it in the Rfc, as I begun thereat the CURSE). Tersely, how could the legal community have faith in my created scholarly penned legal articles, inter alia, if due to the Wikipedia disclaimer, and the blocking, my User Page having been blanked, then, my authorship was put into ridicule.
Finally, as professional, you will discern that the 75-pages decision[5] which separated me from judicial service allegedly due to mental illness, psychosis - due to alleged consultation with dwarfs - when read in its entirety, reveals that I am not mentally sick, but was just disallowed to be a dispenser of justice, but I could work everywhere due to my excellent academic achievements.
I will start reading the rules and I might be able to contribute now. So, does the rules allow me to ask for adoption by you, if you please? Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 05:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

My first article

Thanks for your message. Sir, I never ever reported in Wikipedia English my predictions, since I contributed mostly on legal articles and Philippine related topics. If you have time, please view my first article here.[6]"8th Philippine journalist killed this year". BTW, in Wikipedia English, I heavily contributed to Thailand encyclopedic unfolding events. Thanks.--Florentino Floro (talk) 08:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Reply


I created this article since I found that many passengers were identified by NZ news and are on the way to be transferred to Tierra del Fuego; but the saving ship is still 7 nautical miles away.

Before creating this, I checked the articles created and this has not been made. But after creation, I found that this is already in Wiki news shorts. Is this alright? I am new here. If the rules require its deletion, then so be it.[7] Thanks.--Florentino Floro (talk) 08:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Image:Virgin Killer.jpg

I don't think this image passes the fair use policy; it is not a logo, publicity shot, screen capture, trademark, logo, IRIN photograph, or crown copyright image, and does not pass the {{breaking news image}} test. I recommend deletion. Stifle (talk) 23:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

It is a logo. Album covers are considered as a logo. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Nice call with starting this article. It turned out to be a very good piece. I am not sure how it drew in such collaboration from editors/users previously uninvolved with Wikinews but that is a very good thing so thank you. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 19:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

My error on 7 years

Thanks for the note. I reviewed the Encyclopedia, and you are right. I think, I might have misunderstood this[8]"Mr. Abhisit’s victory, by a vote of 235-198, ended a seven-year dominance of electoral politics by parties loyal to the former prime minster, Thaksin Shinawatra."
With your guidance and permission, I will now therefore place the review template; if this is not yet corrected and done, then please, then revert the same. Regards.--Florentino Floro (talk) 10:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)Reply


I, User:Florentino Floro, share and bestow upon Brianmc this Wiki Christmas cookie for consistently writing excellent articles on Wikinews

User:Florentino Florotalk has given you a Wiki Christmas cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!
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Thanks for you message. I am deeply sorry for my mistake. I reviewed the whole thing, and searched why I mixed up things. I found that:
(My edit) "Retired former barrister, a Newham Victorian legal figure Neil James Williams QC, aged 74, was arrested by Australian Federal Police on October 22. Charged with six counts of sex with a minor girl, one of using a carriage service provider to view child pornography and two of possession of child pornography material, he appeared in the Bendigo's Magistrates' Court of Victoria and was released on granted bail, pending court hearing on March 4."
"Mr Lee appeared in Sydney's Central Local Court on Thursday, where he faced two child pornography charges and six child sex charges."[9]
So, I had put the Lee's sex charges upon the QCs. It's terrible especially, he is a legal figure. Don't really know why I had done this especially in a legal article. Merry Christmas!--Florentino Floro (talk) 09:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Deleted page

How can this page be completely removed?

The page has been deleted but the header still pops up in google. How can we make it disappear entirely? Thank you for the assistance. { 20:33, 26 December 2008 (UTC)}Reply

Wikinews has no control over Google's index. The page should disappear from there in a few days. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Eerie holidays

Thanks for the message, which I almost did not notice, for it is in the middle; sorry for this late reply.[10]. I will try to keep my sources cleaner, to help the reviewer - less hours of work - lest my article fail the copy vio. I am just afraid of this copy vio. BTW, until know, even in law and judgments (especially in USA, where SC Justices often vote almost split), I still cannot comprehend the copy vio rules of Wikipedia English and News. In writing articles, I run out of thesaurus or words to beat the sources' journalists' crafting their news articles.

Even if the hands of the super watch would be turned back, I will never ever edit in Wikipedia English, since, my works are cluttered, but that is democracy. Here, we collaborate. I just cannot understand why editors do not want to contribute here, making our publication too slow. News is news and it must be current. The review of revisions must be forthwith, but we have less editors. Hope you would recruit more from Wiki English. Happy Holidays.--Florentino Floro (talk) 11:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Proxy Detected

Yo B, is a paid proxy. Port 8080. Needs a user and password. Cheers, Danger^Mouse (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Happiest 2009 Year of the Ox and Best of Luck

Wikinews is so sad. I ended 2008 with the LA 10 dead, now I start with 59 lives dead. When I was banned in Wiki English, and even before I was banned (when I was invited to contribute here, I refused, for reasons of dire omen).

I really had a very hard time coping with copy vio and back ups vs. sources but I will try my best, since I have TIME of 10 hours a day which you all do not have. But I cannot write any news that I do not like. News writing is so difficult. Unlike in Wiki Engl. I can edit 20 in a day which covers my favorites, meaning, Philippine related and so on. Here, I only write what strikes my heart: the dire omen.[11]
At age 56, I had been jobless for 10 years. My 2 brothers are extremely wealthy and had toured the entire world for fun. I had begged my one brother money for 10 years, and no one will believe that. And if it will be discovered, it will be cut. So, I am not poverty stricken, but this is my destiny which I never chose. I have no control of what will happen to me. Skeptics, agnostics and atheists, worldwide had loved my case and story. Suffering, yes human suffering is the best SOURCE of wisdom. There is no PAIN without any GAIN. I had looked for job since 1999, but could not find one, since our Courts and justices took vengeance, and delayed my case. I could not practice law as judge. In April 2006, when I was googled, news worldwide told lies about my story and case. I never consulted dwarves, but exposed the corruption in our country. It is deep vendetta. Same in Wiki English, only 2 Filipinos editors were ordered to shut me down. They did it artistically. It was my Mumbai and C-130 eerie deaths that I prophesied which caused my blocking. Skeptics can see the links there in our RFC, how this guy put the IP address Mumbai-Bombai thing. I painfully spent 10 hours daily since July 2007 to Nov. 22 2008, only to be blocked by my co-Filipino editor-administrator. My works there, the legal articles, are state-of-the art, unlike here. My legal articles are far better off than USA Wiki En. Decisions written by the best Wiki Eng. admins and editors.
I take this opportunity to painfully tell you, that 2009 will see dire pains as I had seen on March 13 and October 12, 2008 (I saw the Blue Madonna and the luminous Cross), reiterating the 150 years anniversary of Lourdes and Fatima 1918 prophecy of dire pains, famine, deaths, etc. This morning CNN cable says, America will fall apart economically. I WISH you all the best luck in this world, thanks for helping me and Wikinews to be a portal of wisdom for our future generations. Pardon my grammar and incorrect language, this cafe is closing.--Florentino Floro (talk) 11:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Brianmc was inducted into The Hall of The Greats

On January 2, 2009, User:Brianmc was inducted into

The Hall of The Greats

This portrait of Tom Brokaw was dedicated in his honor.
David Shankbone.

Happy New Year - the inscription is in the description. --David Shankbone (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hi Brian. I have recently changed from User:E to User:JamesR across most wikis and would like my account here to do the same. Please rename this account to User:JamesR, over the current account which was automatically created upon visit using SUL (so you can rename JamesR to JamesR (usurped), etc). Can you also drop us an email to e.wikipedia when you have done this or if you have any questions? Thank you, — E talk 02:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Confirming that I am JamesR. JamesR (talk) 11:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hi, thanks for correcting "palate" to "palette" in the image caption of the RuPaul interview. It occurs again in the very last paragraph, though! Angr (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Try our end-of-year quiz!

I made a new quiz for this week, so you might want to change the banner at the top to link to Wikinews:Dynamic quiz/quiz/2009/01. -- King of Hearts (talk) 20:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

present fr.wikinews to Google


I answered to you on fr:Wikinews:Salle_café#Flagged_revisions_and_Google_news.

Cheers.--Bapti (talk) 15:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Bot and source in Market Data

Hi, my bot is taken data from this sources:

In BBC we validate, in manual proccess, because in the first development proccess, we have many errors. The main feed is Reuters and secondary is Yahoo. The data is updating every 30 mins in weekday (Mon to Fri) and 6 hours in the weekends (Sat-Sun). About DOW is taken from Reuters. Superzerocool (talk) 16:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC) (p.d: sorry for my poor english, but I don't write in English. So, I can understand you ;))Reply

Then... must we delete the DOW index from the templates? Please, send me the email ;). Thanks Superzerocool (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
Ok. My email is dennis.tobar[at] (please, replace _ with m). should it.wikinews deletes the DJIA on this page? Superzerocool (talk) 13:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
  Done. The DJIA data is hidden and the bot doesn't publish it. Superzerocool (talk) 14:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Ice, snow, and cold strike throughout Europe

I'm somewhat new to the site, and saw that you posted something to the collaboration page of the article. This seems to be useful information, but I can't seem to exactly figure it out. Could you please explain it? Thanks, R.T. 22:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Answered on article page... Join us in IRC at #wikinews and get totally corrupted. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:55, 6 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Too early for me

Hi.[12]. I appreciate deeply your love for original reporting, and I too hope someday to have one of it. To be candid, I had not even read 70% of Wikinews style guides nor on original reporting. I just copy paste parts and leave the annoyance of my newcomer style to patient reviewers, hoping that I would not violate copyrights.

Let me share with you my experiences on Philippine news reporting. When I was Googled on April 2006, I had been feeding all Philippine reporters (in Department of Justice 2nd Flr. Manila) with my filed pleadings, about 4 times a year. I learned that they are hustlers in the art of reporting amid corruption in journalism. Before they before they could be employed, they have to get A.B., M.A. or even Ph.D in journalism in top schools. Take note that a half page ads in our paper costs $ 2,000. And in TV news reporting, news and current affairs, 30 seconds prime time ads costs $ 4,000. In my 23 TV documentary features, which top rated, I had had occasions to meet top reporters, most of them stupid.[13] James Hookway who said he interviewed Pres. Bush, interviewed me 8 hours (2 days). But the news he wrote based on my interview and tons of pleadings I gave him, is only 20% true, the rest is wacky news. And ads can't be on front pages. They do put my dwarf news on front pages since my story rates by being ridiculed in our judiciary and circles. So, with this background and in 140 forums, I just learned to write news copy pasting. If you read Philippine news reports, you will find that our Philippine news writers are one of the best, in interviews and original reporting.
Before you sent me this message, I was planning to interview top lawyers here, but, as of now, there is no newsworthy original reporting yet that I can do. BTW, I usually write TLDR, or too long, hope you would not mind. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 09:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
Thanks again for the invitation, and sorry for my misinterpretation. I will see if I can penetrate the article, since, I had not read about this famous man. Cheers.[14]--Florentino Floro (talk) 10:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hi Brian - what tool are we using to measure article read hits now? Adam Rose at Columbia Journalism Review wants to know if there is an accurate measure, and I assume we have one now? --David Shankbone (talk) 19:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

wikinews press pass

Hi brian

I was recently received accreditation. I have been informed that you still the the press passes. Being recently accredited, I would like a press pass. Just tell me if I have to provide any photos.

--RockerballAustralia (talk) 10:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Er, no... I don't do press passes, but email me and I'll sort you out with an email address. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
Okay, what info do you need for the address? --RockerballAustralia (talk) 04:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
Full name, and somewhere to send the password. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
Full name: Patrick Gillett. Send password to --RockerballAustralia (talk) 09:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
I'll get to that later today, not at home right now so don't have access to the email management. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply


Can you get on IRC please? I need to discuss something with you right away. Mike Halterman (talk) 12:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

User talk:BainGreen...

...popped back up immediately at User talk:Angues‎. These are all the same person - see ShakataGaNai deletion and blocking log at about 0600 this morning. Can you nuke the page and block both users? Thanks. Redvers (talk) 09:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

And again at User talk:CalderFrank. Should I request a Checkuser to root out the sleepers? Redvers (talk) 10:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
And now User talk:Brucees‎. Whack-a-mole. Grrr! Redvers (talk) 10:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
I took care of these ... for now. --SVTCobra 10:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

"conventions of subject overrides author"

Where do you get the idea that "conventions of subject overrides author"? Certainly not from the style guide. --SVTCobra 19:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Because, if you read further down the style guide, you will see that this is the case with numbers. It should be the case with spelling too, but that has not been pushed. This is an article about something that happened within the UK, thus of particular interest to UK readers. The spellings they expect should be used. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
I am sorry if my edits from work are short, perhaps abrasive, and not as thoroughly thought through as they should be. I am certainly guilty of reverting several changes in British broadcaster Sir David Attenborough receives hate mail from creationists that were not related to spelling, though I partially blame your edit summary. However, I am not too keen on the idea that spelling should be dictated by the subject matter. I think it adds another level of policing to be done by administrators/reviewers and adds a burden of knowing spelling in countries from which they may not be. This concept suggests that we should "Americanize" articles about the US which were written by UK or other contributors. I am almost certain that you wouldn't like that. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
(please excuse butting in) It is not fair to expect a US contributor to write well in British English. I believe it should not hold up the publish tag. But if an article about the UK can be competently translated by an editor, then all the better for the reader. --InfantGorilla (talk) 12:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
Oh, no, it should not hold up publication. This was just one of those cases where I had read the story elsewhere (UK sources) and the American spelling in the middle of the Wikinews article kinda grated. It was one word, so easy to change. I would have no real objection to an article about the U.S. written by a UK English author being "Americanised", again, it should not hold up publication. On this point the style guide can be interpreted in a number of ways. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
I like Wikipedia's stance on this, where the spelling of the original author is what sticks, unless there is some specific reason to change it (such as industry conventions, or articles that are very topic specific). Personally I use Canadian spelling for things when I write (half UK and half US, for the most part. eg colour, industrialized). Gopher65talk 16:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Postscript: It might be helpful to read Oxford spelling. --InfantGorilla (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Email account

Brian - what do i need to do to get an email account @ Bjornengelhardt (talk) 12:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

You think one week is all that is deserved for (talk · contribs)? This IP has committed four major vandalism attacks since January 16. --SVTCobra 16:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

One year was excessive. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
Perhaps it was ... but one week? I'll let you carry the mop and bucket next week. --SVTCobra 16:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
FYI [15] Regards, Finnrind (talk) 17:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
On that basis, I have blocked for 3 months. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply


Please, restore page Crimea to User:А.Крымов/Crimea. Thank you -- А.Крымов (talk) 13:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hello. I just wanted to bring a bureaucrat's attention to a RfA that is a week old and needs to be closed (my rfa, Tempodivalse). Thanks. Tempo di Valse 16:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Tempo di Valse 20:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Plane crash in Amsterdam

Do you want to start work on that article? The Dutch users have been hounding me but I am too busy with other things. Mike Halterman (talk) 12:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Well, I saw on one of the mailing lists that there's pictures on Commons already - but I have to go in about 15 minutes. School holidays, and Monster wants to go shopping. The only good thing I can say about that is he wants to buy me a birthday present, so I get to sit in a cafe while he looks for something to get. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

User rename (usurp)

Can you have a look at Wikinews:Changing_username#Lemming_.E2.86.92_Lemming_.28usurp.29? Thanks! -- 21:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the quick reaction! --Lemming (talk) 22:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Reply


Is the edit I did on Thousands take part in protests across US against government's financial policy acceptable? I've never edited WikiNews before. Leslie Graves (talk) 22:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I moved the source you added to the top, per the style guide sources are sorted from newest to oldest. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)Reply


Was it your intention I should interpret this comment as you characterizing my concerns as "silly"?

How do you know I am the only person to have interpreted the tag according to its literal meaning? Geo Swan (talk) 22:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

It was a silly misunderstanding. There was a huge screed of text to actually get to the point, and it was trivially fixed - the template is not fully protected. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
Personally, I think remaining civil remains a good idea without regard to how confident one is about one's opinion. Geo Swan (talk) 03:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
Remaining civil also includes not badgering people. --Brian McNeil / talk 05:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
When an individual accepts the trust of the community and is authorized to exercise special powers, they accept an obligation to exercise their authority responsibly. I think openness and transparency require only exercising that authority when one is willing and able to explain one's self. When an ordinary contributor civilly requests an explanation from one of the project's trusted individual I suggest it is a mistake to characterize this as "badgering". Geo Swan (talk) 06:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
The irony. The template that confused you has been fixed. Case closed. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
I strongly suggest that you long time insiders decide whether you are interested in helping newcomers. Geo Swan (talk) 16:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
Nobody is obliged to do anything - just like any other wiki. I suggest you drop this and do something more productive. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
I agree that we are all volunteers. None of us are obliged to start any process.
But, those like you and DragonFire1024, who have been entrusted with extra authority, do have an obligation to exercise your authority responsibly and accountably.
I suggest to you that the responsible and accountable exercise of authority does oblige those of you entrusted with authority to follow through, and offer a civil, meaningful explanation when asked. Nothing obliges you to commence an exercise of your authority, but, once you started to exercise your authority, I do not believe you are fulfilling your commitment to the community if you are unwilling or unable to explain yourselves.
You have called me "silly" -- twice, for interpreting the tag based on its the surface meaning. Do you honestly believe your mockery of me for this innocent misunderstanding, based on the surface meaning of the template, complies with your obligation to be civil?
I don't care if you are a bureaucrat. I believe you are under the same obligation to be civil as everyone else. Geo Swan (talk) 21:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

<unindent> Right, I refer you to w:WP:DICK. I don't know the link to slap someone with a trout, but that is how your whole approach to this has made me feel. Drop it, move on. You are indisputably badgering me now. I saw your message on DF's talk page, it is the first I have ever seen someone spot that potential issue with a template - so I fixed it. I looked to see the preceding discussion, and it was lengthy and uninformative; you were picking on one admin, on what you claim to have perceived as an editor issue. There are nearly 50 admins, and a fair number of other editors - lots of other people you could have talked to. You now appear hell-bent on interpreting things as insults to you, and that you are morally obliged to chastise people for failing to live up to your ideals. Wikipedia can afford to have people beat each other to death with scented bootlaces because there is no deadline for their articles. Wikinews cannot afford this - facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news.

I have done a great deal of work to get people who come on Wikinews working to the project guidelines. I see from looking at your talk page you have the old welcome. Please refer to {{Howdy}} for my work to improve on this and make people more productive in a shorter period of time.

If you want to keep contributing, please do. However, first understand that unlike Wikipedia the project does not have time for people to take a two hour walk in the woods to mull over how to politely say, "you're wrong" or "you misunderstand". Do I think you're "silly"? Well, I did not at the time I wrote "this is silly" about a discussion I saw. I do now, because you're looking for an argument. I have already said you are badgering me, and I assume you also appreciate that I felt you were badgering DragonFire1024 - perhaps best summed up as 'demanding he be a mindreader'.

This is my last word on the subject. Take it as criticism of how you have interacted here, and try to figure out what is going to work instead. I would appreciate if you did not respond - and I have this sneaky suspicion that if you say I do not have the right to frankly speak my mind, some other admin will ban you. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Why didn't I ask for assistance from some other administrator or editor? I did ask for assistance, way back on the 24th.
Yes, I saw that you wrote that this was your last word. Before I decide whether to try to make any any further contributions here I would like clarification as to whether Wikinews:Etiquette has been deprecated, or whether a contributor should feel confident that other contributors will try to cooperate and be collegial. I did not mention you or DragonFire by name. If you chose to weigh in there I would appreciate it if you confined yourselves to the issues, and refrained from further personal comments. Geo Swan (talk) 06:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the coffee

Thanks for the cup of coffee.I love coffee as long as it is strong and hot or chilling cold.Yousaf465 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:50, 4 March 2009 (UTC)Reply


OMG, there you are. Can you sight my Chiara interview please? Bjweeks reviewed it but I guess it's been too long since he was here last and it didn't automatically sight. THANK YOU SO MUCH! Mike Halterman (talk) 09:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Never mind, noticing Bjweeks' flag didn't work on it, I did it, since he already gave the go to publish. Mike Halterman (talk) 09:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hello, I noticed you are active today. Just wanted to remind you that there is a three-week-old RfA up there that I think could be safely closed. Best regards, Tempo di Valse ♪ 17:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Arctic Ocean oil reserves a Pandora's box

Thank you for peeking in at the article while it was being developed. I have further commented on the talk page in reply to your comment and have tried to address the opinionated aspect. Kind RegardsSriMesh | talk 19:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)Reply


DanielB said I was supposed to ask you to add me on WN:CV? --Killing Vector (talk) 19:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)Reply


Brianmc, I saw how you worked on creating that tabbed discussion template {{Howdy}}. I really like it. Could you tell me a bit more on how you developed that? -Kristinpedia (talk) 16:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

I'd recommend having a look at the discussions on the water cooler about that. Someone else did the coding to allow the tabbed boxes feature and I built on that. Initially it was meant for a replacement or alternative for our regular infoboxes, I just built on that. There are some system/protected pages would need edited before you could use it on another wiki. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Checkuser for Florentino Floro

Hallo, I noticed you're active today. Could you please have a look at WN:CU? There's a new request there. Thanks. Tempo di Valse ♪ 17:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Deletion of this page

Hi, you deleted this article this article. Actually, it seems to be a legitimate news item, it just seems bogus because it was rather poorly written and the sources were not formatted correctly. I restored it, at least for the time being. Tempo di Valse ♪ 00:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Never mind. It just got deleted again due to copyvio. Tempo di Valse ♪ 01:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Noam Chomsky Interview

I recently interviewed Noam Chomsky, how do I go about posting that as original reporting, just write the transcript out? Soapy (talk) 20:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

If you have any recordings or email exchanges, forward them on to for verification first. Ideally recordings should go on Commons - but you have to go through hoops with the source to get permission. Privately sharing them allows for the verification you'd need. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)Reply


Thank you for your note I replied there, as it seemed easier. Again thank you very much for the pointers. SriMesh | talk 21:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Response on Coverage

Hello Brian, I would just like to respond to your point on the 'coverage' section in policy. It is easier I suppose to converse directly on this. Apologies for writing WikiNews rather than wikinews, first off. My bad,

Regarding the 30 contributors, this was just an example of what might happen were there to be 30 contributors on any given day. It was not to say that there will be 30 contributors. Besides this, there does not seem to be any intrinsic reason why Wikinews cannot build up to this, but that wasn't my point.

Secondly, regarding 'parroting' the main news sites, the fact about news is that most news does tend to be stories that are given common coverage by newspapers. The individuality of the newspaper is not with respect to whether they cover such a story, but the level of quality and their 'take' on the analysis. What's more, if the news that is covered by the mainstream sites is not covered by Wikinews, then the coverage of the site will simply be judged as inadequate and people will not be inclined to visit the site, because to do so they must have confidence that all relevant stories will be covered to a basic level of adequacy.

This is not to say that all newspapers are identical, or that Wikinews should only focus on that which is covered by other news sites, but rather that there must be some sort of base foundation in order to judge whether Wikinews has reached a benchmark of decency. Beyond this and once this core is reached the sky is the limit and Wikinews will be able to reach out in any direction, especially because many more people will be inclined to write for the site if they see that it has reliably decent quality coverage.

What are your thoughts? Feel free to reply on my talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

It'd be nice to have that coverage, but we simply can't force people to do it. Contributors are retained when they are let follow their interests, and when the really big story breaks, they chip in. What you suggest is not unachievable, but we do not have a situation where it is currently realistically so - mainly the lack of 'hard-core' contributors. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

You're mistaken about my article

Mr. McNeil,

I believe you are seriously mistaken about my article "Republic of Timucua announces opening of California embassy". Just because I have a address and the people who I chose to e-mail interview also have addresses doesn't negate the credibility of the report. Feel free to contact both of my sources and I believe that you will find that both are real and will reply to your e-mail. Also just because their website for the micronation is on a free web hosting site doesn't negate the fact that the micronation exists. Both websites linked in the article exist and you can feel free to check that out. I believe your objections are pure censorship in violation of a free press. Just because someone is using a free service doesn't mean that they are not credibile. Since when does credibility require payment? Your offer to make something more credible for $50 is preposterous and is tantamount to blackmail. It's as though your saying that my article is not worthy of being printed unless someone pays for it in some way. From my understanding of western civilization that is not freedom of the press and I thought that Wikinews was supposed to be a free news source that showed freedom of the press. I suppose that I was quite wrong about that. It's a shame when the media is controlled by corporate conglomerates that such a place can't exist.


Ron KenadyRkenady (talk) 13:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

You fundamentally misunderstand when you accuse me of 'blackmail'. What I am saying is that a $50 investment would allow the people claiming to be this micronation to look more credible. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

User:Tempodivalse/Writing contest

Hi. Just wanted to let you know that there's an article writing contest that's about to start at the above link, in case you're interested in joining. The deadline for registration is March 31st. Thanks. Tempo di Valse ♪ 18:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Google News.. help XD

Hi, I'm Cristian, and I'm an es.wn user. I write to you because in es.wn we wanna Google Noticias (spanish version of Google news) index our news, like Google News indexed yours. So if you can tell us (me) what you do for it, I appreciated very much. --BQ17 (talk) 22:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC) PS: Answer me here, because I don't have an account in en.wn (BQ17 is my global account) or in my es.wn's user account.Reply

It's a matter of presenting that you have an editorial policy based around use of the Flagged Revisions extension. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)Reply


Please check your wikinewsie e-mail :-) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Your user page

Ugh. Looks like your user page has been the subject of lots of IP vandalism in recent months. I've indef-semi'd your userpage, hope you don't mind. Tempo di Valse ♪ 16:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Posting an original reporting interview

I just recently interviewed Noam Chomsky, and I was wondering how I go about posting that interview on wikinews as original reporting, thanks Soapy (talk) 16:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Take a look at other interviews, and share as much of your notes or recordings as possible to backup the event taking place. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
i.e. often the transcript of the interview is posted on the collaboration page. Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Bot work

I stopped my robot now, I think All edits of Xebot is correct. Please, Can you give a flag for the robot to avoid Flood [16]. regards --Orango (talk) 14:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

<taps fingers impatiently>

<gets ready for bed> - Amgine | t 07:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Press card

Hi Brianmc, IRC says that as User:Harej hasn't gotten back to me about getting a template for the badge I should ask you? --Killing Vector (talk) 14:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hallo, could you explain how you passed the NPOV part of the review for this article? It currently is quite biased in favour of the automobile company, for instance: "But Tesla isn't just any sports car maker", "their new Model-S is an improvement in every way", "And its design descended from the Lotus Elise resulted in a car you wanted to be seen in", among others. I removed the publish tag and replaced it with {{cleanup}}. Please respond on the article talk page. Thanks, Tempo di Valse ♪ 17:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, and best regards!

Mister Jumble, from Turin, Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misterjumble (talkcontribs) 17:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Manawan Police Training School Lahore attack

I have moved sources as you asked for.Added Sri Lankan team attack with wikinews

Tagged it wih review

no webpage as it is a event.Yousaf465 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 06:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Ten April Fool's pranks of 2009

Edited somewhat the article. I added wikipedia pranks and the main page wikipedia anniversaries, FA, DYK, news, is there an archive of wikinews news? Kind RegardsSriMesh | talk 21:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hey hey!

Hey Brian! Don't see you on IRC any more - we need a good chat and a catch up! --Skenmy talk 10:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)Reply


hey Brian, thanks for the welcome. i'm looking forward to contributing to the site. --Sprondle (talk) 15:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Rklawton's AR

Hi, could you or someone with the proper permissions close Rklawton's AR and give him the credentials? The AR is several weeks overdue for closure, and the nominee is getting a bit impatient. Thanks. Tempo di Valse ♪ 16:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Re:profane usenames

Whoops, sorry. I guess I didn't think that it would be reflected in recent changes. I'll keep that in mind next time. tempodivalse 14:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Please see: Talk:Obama makes unannounced visit to Iraq#Apology

Please see: Talk:Obama makes unannounced visit to Iraq#Apology.

Thanks, Calebrw (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hi. Sorry for pestering you with this again, but could you or someone with the proper permissions close Van der Hoorn's accreditation request and give him the credentials? The AR is over a week old, and probably could be safely closed. tempodivalse 00:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Have emailed user asking precisely what username they want - will close when email issued. Sorry, can't do the press pass. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:44, 11 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Email address was issued, right? :) Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talk) 13:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
I noticed the accreditation request was closed by Mike Halterman and immediately archived. However, I noticed that I am not listed at Wikinews:Credential verification; I left a message at Mike Halterman's talk page, but he didn't respond yet. Who is authorized to add me to that list and I'm wondering if other things should be done before the accreditation request is completed. Thanks! Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talk) 20:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Request for name resolution


I'm contacting you because you're a bureaucrat, and I'm trying to get a unified login with the username that I'm using on the English Wikipedia and on Commons. However, there is a user on with the username that I am currently using on, who as far as I can see has made a single edit. Is there any chance that that user could be renamed, so that I could create a unified login? Thanks, -- 17:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC) aka NorwegianBlue on and Commons.Reply

Can you make an edit on one (or both) of those projects requesting usurpation while signed in and give me a link to the diff? --Brian McNeil / talk 18:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Here are the diffs:
(I assume you wanted these for identity confirmation. Please notify me if I misunderstood). Thanks. -- 20:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Thanks a lot! --NorwegianBlue talk 17:47, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Mountaineers 'Climb Up' for AIDS funding

Brian, please note the changes I have made at Mountaineers 'Climb Up' for AIDS funding. Any thoughts? Thanks Calebrw (talk) 23:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

I made some edits and marked it for review. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply


Hi, could you oversight some highly inappropriate usernames that have appeared in recent changes as a result of my blocking them? I tried notifying the stewards on IRC, but nobody took any action. Thanks, tempodivalse 16:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

I don't have the oversight permission, AFAIK nobody local does - so you're stuck with the stewards. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Really? I thought CU also came packaged with OS (or hiderevs or whatever that is). Oh well. I guess I'll go pester the stewards again. Thanks. tempodivalse 17:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
The issue is 'overwhelming consensus' required to get the privilege, it has never been packed with oversight. Nowadays there's a global/block hide too - useful for unified accounts.
I cu'd a couple of the accounts you blocked, surprisingly not a proxy - a mobile ISP. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
The stewards just oversighted the names. Is it possible to get a local oversighter? tempodivalse 18:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
I'd recommend asking Cary's opinion on that, and what sort of vote criteria we'd need to meet. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, we did have a couple of local oversight users a year or so back. They were removed due to issus on how they received the flag. I would suggest we check with Cary, then if he is in support, we could hold a poll on flagging a couple of users, if we feel it’s needed Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Actually he has an account here, but he found my logged in. To teach me he did that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 09akoguc (talkcontribs)

You like the idea of being blocked? --Brian McNeil / talk 23:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Reply


I was fixing some interwiki conections on Serbian Wiki, and by mistake I deleted data's for 21st April. Thanks for fast reaction.--Laslovarga (talk) 17:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

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