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some thailand commentary

[1] thought u might be interested. Doldrums 17:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thank you very much for that, it is a fascinating read from someone who knows the political landscape of Thailand very well. He is quite accurate that TRT was populist, but there is no mention of what the policies were that proved popular to the rural poor. It is interesting that he speculates that the suspended constitution will form the basis for its replacement, the issue is how do you keep the bodies like the Election Commission free from partisan biases? --Brian McNeil / talk 17:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Re: breaking and canadian

Sorry. I use IE and it looks fine. I will take off the Canadian news template until Breaking is removed :-) FellowWikiNews (W) 20:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Dynamic navigation template


can you tell me why Template:Dynamic navigation noncentered doesn't work on Wikiversity?

Does it require some css file, or other templates to work?

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 02:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

It works for me, I get a Collapse/Expand button at the top. It is inconsistent here (wikinews), it works in Firefox, but not IE unless you add wikinews to your trusted sites. On wikipedia similar navigation seems to work in all browsers.
The problem is likely somewhere in Special:allmessages on Wikiversity, but I don't know if the problem is CSS or Javascript. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Stop writing crap

I notice you referred to my edits as "crap". Just to let you know I think your edits are very stinky and worthless crap only good for braindeads who are a waste of skin.

I can prove my edits help the project because when I'm gone our audience drops like a rock (my last edits were Sep. 4th). Your edits are worthless crap which noone but you are interested in at all. Get a life.Neutralizer 21:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Example of crap. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

This is the kind of nasty personal attack (calling my edits "crap") and insulting hypocrisy I found incitefully interjected into an attempt at DR. You are a terrible example of provocation and disharmony as shown in your "fuck-off" edits of the past and continuing nasty comments about the edits of me and others. You like to be nasty but don't like the exact same words thrown back your way. That's just too damn bad; this isn't a discriminatory project; the rules apply to everyone equally; look up the word hypocrite before you start bitching about other people being nasty. Neutralizer 11:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hubble story questions

How do you cite sources if they are simply interviews? None of my sources are internet stories, as this just came up and the embargo was just lifted. I'm new at this, and I want to clean this up and get it to stay.

Also, did your comment mean that I need to put those notes in my own talk page, like this one for you? I just clicked on a link for where to put them. I appologize for putting them in the inappropriate place.

Thank you in advance for your help.



While Neutralizer owed you an apology for his incivility towards you, you also owe him an apology, especially considering that you made a blatant attack against him. —this is messedrocker (talk) 22:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I don't apologise to trolls, the user has made multiple edits that could be considered a violation of his parole, and zero edits to main space articles since his return. I stand by what I said, and I'm not retracting it. --Brian McNeil / talk 06:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Correction to block message

There is a problem with the block message when you view the source of a page.

  • You may be able to contact Messedrocker or one of the other administrators here to discuss the block, or [[Special:Emailuser/Messedrocker|e-mail]] the admin who blocked you using the "e-mail user" link on their user page.

This is exactly how it appears, right down to showing the square brackets. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Mediawiki:Blockedtext looks ok, dunno what the problem is... Doldrums 16:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Blatant Personal Attacks.

Please note that implying that other users are delusional is a severe personal attack. I see that you have already been blocked for 24 hours for this offence, nontheless I would like to warn you (considering you are an otherwise civil user) against venting your feelings in this manner. PVJ(Talk)(Articles I have written)   16:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I consider many of the things written by Neutralizer to be severe attacks on a wide segment of the Wikinews community. If labelling everyone who used the Journowiki site as a sandbox a member of some cabal bent on the destruction of Wikinews isn't a delusion, I don't know what is. Have you looked at the site at all? See here and click the link at the bottom. The domain has expired, a domain parking service has it in the hope they can either (a) make money from adverts on it, or (b) get extra cash selling it on if Amgine ever decides he wants it again. What does Neutralizer think? He thinks Amgine is now profiting from links to the site from Wikinews. Then there's the rant about me calling some of his edits "crap", I give an example above. Just how many countries are there that don't have an "innocent until proven guilty" judicial system? And how many of them have widespread Internet access as well? You might also look at the dates on that edit, it was a deliberate attempt to get that into a story where very few editors might catch it.
Now, if you want to dig through my past edits, you'll find that I have indeed insulted Neutralizer several times in the past. Go beyond that and you'll see I earlier had tried to mediate when he had disputes with other contributors, appealed for lesser penalties, and tried to explain how he could contribute constructively with less conflict. Now, last thing is to look up Neutralizer's edit history, and see that the vast majority of his edits are to talk and policy pages. He's a POV warrior, his ideology is more important than the project's goal of producing timely news. I simply gave up on him, he has to change - not the wiki. I believe those who have commented on WN:ALERT probably agree with me. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
You make excuses for insulting and wrongful behavior on your part; meaning you feel free to continue your wrongful behavior. You should be de-admined stat. 14:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

People were provoked, people got angry, people set their cats on fire and a lot of drama was created. Let's all forgive and forget. —this is messedrocker (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

soccer (football)

Thanks for having already changed one of my new entry about football.

May I ask you to change another one : Goalkeeper Fabien Barhez last match will be said to be also the one against Materazzi spelling Barthez instead of Barhez. 21:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

You need to read, and understand the list of links on the top of your talk page. I'm not a football follower so I can't help much on the topic. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Funny to meet one of the very few ;-))) named Mc... not knowing that today France was beaten in football by Scotland... BTW I'll need someone else to rename it because, even if I take a login, I'll have to wait four long days to be allowed to change a title. 22:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
  • Ah, I must confess I've never seen the attraction of kicking a ball about a field. But I'll have a measure of something honey-coloured to celebrate beating the French. ;-) For the renaming, try and ramble a bit on the talk page about what you want to convey in the title, a short invitation to read the article that makes perfect sense after you read the first sentence is a good approach. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


Hello! I think function of datecategory(JP) can help interlink date categories. Maybe you can edit datecategory(EN) to add function of interlink if you think this is useful.--Yoshi 08:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

re: Vlaams Belang


I don't have it, so if you think that it would classify fair use, then please do so. I might have added another image by then, but feel free to substitute it. Thanks!

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

...Oh and I almost forgot: moehahaha...  

The little book got left in my partner's car last night when it went in for a service, I get it back about 6pm. In the meantime I uploaded an election brochure that I got in the door.
File:Vlaams Belang election brochure.png
Sample of a Vlaams Belang election brochure
. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Very nice, thanks but I'm a bit concerned that you have tagged them as "logo", since they're not logos strictu sensu... However I can't imagine that this wouldn't be fair use, and logo is probably the closest thing to the truth... --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Item of interest?

Is the following item of interest Trains collide in Northern France given that IIRC it's close to your part of the world? ShakespeareFan00 13:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Interesting enough to read, but I'm kinda busy with work these days. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

My admin nomination

Thank you very much for nominating me, makes me feel appreciated!

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Confused? You try doing six impossible things before breakfast

No, I am not Confused. FellowWikiNews (W) 21:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Couldn't resist the obscure reference having just watched the movie version. Only worth catching if you can see the "making of" documentary alongside it. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

RfA thanks

Hey Brian,

Thank you for putting me on RfA. It finished with 4/1/0, which is not a big crowd... But I'll try to be the best admin I can be. If you need any help or have more ideas, you know where to find me! Cu round,

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thai PM

no sweat.  — Doldrums(talk) 13:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for the suggestions

You have seen exactly my position and I thank you. Yes, I'll do as you say and start with short pieces and the follow up with new articles. Frankly, I was nervous of putting too little into my offerings. You reassure me greatly. Thanks again. Fentonrobb 22:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Your not going to block are you?

Sorry for creating Category:Crime. --Newsman2007 17:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hope you don't mind me jumping in. Wikinews Blocking Policy states that admins can only block if it's vandalisim. You were just trying to help us, although we already had one. Always Assume Good Faith. Thunderhead(talk) 21:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I am not quitting

PVJ59 called for my homecountry to be "destroyed" and "annihalated". And is getting away with it, without even apologizing. Wikinews claims to provide NEWS. What are you providing here, Hamas news? Or neutral news? If you want Wikinews to have any right to call itself 'neutral', this antisemitic idiot will have to either immediately and publicly APOLOGIZE or he will have to LEAVE Wikinews. I am not settling for anything less. --Daniel575 23:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


Brian I see this as a provocation against Bosnian people. You wrote "Bosanski jezik" in Cyrillic. The web site does not even register Cyrillic. I am a bureaucrat on the bs. wikinews and honestly am outraged for this action. Please read about the Bosnian language on the en wikipedia. I ask you to change this. Thanks, Vseferovic

I meant no offense, please tell me exactly what text you want and I'll put it in place. I'm sorry for offending you by displaying my ignorance. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Put "Bosanski jezik" instead of Cyrillic. I'm bur. too and I've tried logging in here and it doesn't work. Please fix this bosnian... (preceding unsigned comment by Emx from Bosnian Wikinews)

Question about DPL

If I were to put a DPL on my talk page (for example, [[Category:Wikinewsies looking for help]]) would I get a "You have a new message" message every time it was updated, or would it not be an edit? Thunderhead(talk) 19:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Nope, it would just always list all the items that match. -- IlyaHaykinson 19:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Because my talk page wouldn't really be changing, the category would be, right? Thunderhead(talk) 19:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Right. Basically the DPL is counted as a standalone portion of the page, and changes in what it shows aren't actually changes to the source code of the page. -- IlyaHaykinson 19:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

And now for something completely different...

Thunderhead, could you edit your signature in your preferences, it's still using Urameshi2. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

You mean my talk page? Sure. Didn't notice. Thanks for letting me know. Thunderhead(talk) 20:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Done. --Thunderhead(talk) 20:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


see u on IRC?  — Doldrums(talk) 19:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Question about blocking users


I've just done my first blocks, two inapropriate usernames. But I was somewhat confused over the "account creation" prevention: should be unchecked in these cases, no?

Also, shouldn't that box appear unchecked when you open a page, I mean it shouldn't be the standard option, right?

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

The account creation block is, if I recall correctly, a 24 hour block on the same IP address creating a new account. I've never fully investigated all the intricacies of the blocking mechanisms. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Plant explosion in Apex, North Carolina

in the article Plant explosion in Apex, North Carolina, the phone number should probably be removed now. Triona 06:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Typhoon Cimaron

I have a couple questions about the article, Deadly Typhoon Cimaron makes landfall in Luzon. Am I allowed to update this anymore? Appartently, 16 people died, and 6 died from flooding, not 5. If I do update this, should I move the date to the 31st? And if it causes damage in Vietnam or China, I should create a separate article, right? Icelandic Hurricane 21:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

This has come in so close that you could almost stick it into the article, but a brief "aftermath" or "reckoning" followup would probably be the best way to introduce the figures plus any other stuff coming up because of the hurricane. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

If you don't mind, I have two more questions. One, do you consider this breaking news? Or basically, should I add the breaking news template to the article? And two, I noticed that there was a template for breaking news images or something like that, so does that mean that if this is breaking news, I can upload a pic, regardless of its actual licensing? Icelandic Hurricane 00:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

You asked after I quit for the night, it might have been breaking then and whilst you could upload a picture because it was breaking it'll end up deleted if it is later found to run afoul of licensing restrictions. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Re:Article standards

I wasn't aware of the 2 sources policy till recently, but will try and implement in as much as possible. I was under the impression that editors were supposed to use whichever date format they were most familiar with, which is why I used date/month/year. But if it will make your archiving tasks easier, I'll start using the dare format you indicated. PVJ(Talk)(Articles I have written)   16:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

I'm not totally happy that we're stuck with a US-ish date format, but the point is to be consistent on the article header and categories and sources. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Reply


So, everyones attacking us? I see yours got taken, and mine got renamed to Thunderbitch by someone. (q:User:Adi's Breast‎ was blocked]]. At least I'm important enought to vandalise? Thunderhead(talk) 22:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

I note your request to claim your username on Wikiquote. The only way to do this is to get Kalki, the only Bureaucrat on Wikiquote, to move the existing Brianmc to another name and then allow you to create the user again. Wikipedia doesn't allow 'usurpation' of usernames, although their rules don't necessarily apply on Wikiquote. Fys 22:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Impersonation on Wikiquote

This entry on my talk page is to confirm that I edited Wikiquote with IP address, and the currently blocked account "brianmc" on that wiki was not set up by me. Should someone with the ability to rename that account be able to coordinate with me to allow me to claim the account I would appreciate it. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Blanking references section

I noticed you blanked the references section for article Free Software Foundation announces release of gNewSense version 1.0. I have seen this done to other articles. My question is why? The Style Guide specifically discusses a References section as well as a Sources section. Please see: Style Guide:References Section. Thanks. --SVTCobra 22:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

It's a personal dislike for the encyclopedia style of inline links to external material, even if included via a references section. I don't think that's an appropriate style for a news article. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

My RfA

  Brianmc, Thank you for participating in and supporting my recent RfA, which passed with a final tally of 6/2/2. This is a great achievement for me - and I cannot express what it means to me to become an administrator. If you need a helping hand with anything, don't hesitate to contact me! --Skenmy(tcwi) 16:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)Reply


Here's a bigass barnstar for all the work you've done with AWB, especially with the people categories. —this is messedrocker (talk) 15:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Re: Category issue

I am unable to understand what did you want to convey with that message. I suppose you have seen Category:2006 also. Shyam (T/C) 16:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

I have seen it now, and I do not consider it anywhere as useful as the Digest. I suppose it is just being completist to collect all the categories together. Anyway, I'll go back to sticking pins in articles related to George W. Bush, perhaps wiki vodoo works. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
The category is not useful for digests and articles. But it is just for completing the category tree :) Shyam (T/C) 16:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Reply


question.  — Doldrums(talk) 16:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

10 001 edits!

Having just finished creating Category:George W. Bush I have reached the significant milestone of 10K edits to the wiki. This is my 10,001 edit! --Brian McNeil / talk 17:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Congrajulations, Brian! Keep up the excellent work! Thunderhead(talk) 21:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
File:0.999.png 10,000 Edits
I, Thunderhead herby award Brian this award for crossing the 10,000 edit mark. Keep up the great work!
The graphic for this award had me grinning from ear to ear! Thanks for that one, it is attractive and appropriate. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
Well, it starts with 0, but it was the only one I had with me for the time. Glad I gave you a smile! Thunderhead(talk) 22:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
Congrats. You're almost the highest person now that I did an edit count on (Amgine's beating you,but only by 500 edits, which at the rate your going, you'll pass her soon.) Happy editing. Bawolff 21:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
  • Thanks, I need to get Skenmy to do the same statistical analysis he did on himself to see what percentage of the wiki I've touched. Incidentally, Amgine is a guy.

P.S. Thanks for fixing how I mis-categorized the wikimedia people. Bawolff 21:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

I wasn't totally sure how to approach that, but I like the dynamic sub-cats. What I'm not sure on is if I've "technically" make Wikipedia a person in the process. I thought we had to wait until it became self-aware before we did that. :-) --Brian McNeil / talk 21:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

AWB edit error

This [2] edit changed a template name from "united states" to the incorrect "United States". (SEWilco 17:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC))Reply

I'll try and watch for that, I should probably take a note to go and correct the template and everywhere it is used. Thanks for catching this! --Brian McNeil / talk 17:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

tart miss Rice ?

lol, but not very fair and neutral ^o^ ? Jacques Divol 21:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

It is a hommage to Eric Idle's masterpiece, yes there is a linky to the mp3 on the Wikipedia page. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
ok , i downloaded :) Jacques Divol 22:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

RE: DAte Stuff

Thanks for the pointer :) - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 20:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

thanks. refering to Bawolff 23:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

California Wikinewsies

Do you know of any California Wikinewsies, or even Wikimedians in general. This is somewhat urgent. -- Zanimum 21:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sorry no, I'd trawl IRC if I was you. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
That's okay, thanks. I can pretty much officially say we've not got the Oscars. Despite my best efforts, they won't accept the blame for not sending me a copy of the credential application on time, something I have multiple reasons to blame them for. Anyway, have to pester the Academy monthly from now until this time next year, to make sure they acknowledge the internet's 10th most popular site as legit. -- Zanimum 22:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Can you give me a shout on my talk page when you have time to pull something together about what went wrong with the Oscars? This should go up on the water cooler and we may have to take points to the foundation to make sure people can reasonably represent themselves. I would be very annoyed to discover that we effectively had a "ticket" to Oscars coverage and lost it because of internal bureaucracy issues, and I'm sure Jimbo would feel the same. If that's what happened we need to make sure it can't happen again. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

I've updated the Watercooler to have a timeline of what happened. It was internal at the Oscars, not us. -- Zanimum 02:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Date Help

Thanks for the help! I was a bit confused about that. Ill remeber for next time--Mcgrath50 21:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Adminship thanks

Hi there! I'd like to thank you for your support to become an admin, it's greatly appreciated! -- Zanimum 14:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply


  [11:52] <brianmc> Brian, I did Helen Clark earlier today. Do you still have doubts/questions about categorising people?  

Not really :) I would personally like to see a cat policy be developed through Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 02:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)Reply


Be careful about fixing spelling mistakes in quotes [3] Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 19:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Correction here is removing an elipsis character and explicitly replacing it with three periods ("...") No spelling error in the quote, but I do get your point. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, misread that edit :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 20:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Bot - Krzysiu Jarzyna

Hi! Thanks for the contact. If it can I would ask for "+bot" status. I think that this bot will be working in Category: "date" (etc November). K.J.Bot / Krzysiu Jarzyna 23:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

So, what do you want?

In your discussion comment to the Wiki News article, Lawsuit_challenges_church_as_polling_place, you say, "And can we have a bit more than that in terms of OR notes?"

OK, like what? Lori Brown wrote the article after attending the press conference, asking questions, and reviewing all the press packet materials. It's what any reporter does. I then helped her with the editing. That strikes us as sufficient. But she and I are both new to WikiNews and learning how to do it. So if you know something we don't, can you be more specific? (And, please, don't direct us to a long file of instructions. A simple answer will do.)

That said, I can't help pointing out that it strikes me as unjustified for you, on your own initiative, to take down a posted story and throw it back into development when the story is quite fine the way it is. If it needs some tweaking on matters of "OR notes" (whatever OR means), just leave the story up and ask for the tweaking. We're happy to do it. After all, it won't be news much longer. 16:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC) FredReply

For Accusations of slavery against the Turkish Police

Hi. As I mentioned in that article's discussion page:

The victim accuses the police and tells that "he feels he was treated like a slave". The title here is the translation of Radikal's title for the same item. Please check the wiki article on Radikal (a well-known Turkish newspaper) before thinking that this is pov. Towsonu2003 17:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

As per the "only one non-english source" (this part is more important, because we will bump into this issue a number of times if I'll be reporting news from Turkey):
1. The tag you put on the page tells you that local stories are exempt (click on "show")
2. Also see this discussion where the following are documented:
a. Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy/Archive/12#Foreign_language_sources
b. Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy/Archive/4#Policy_question_about_non-English_sources
by InfantGorilla

Thank you Towsonu2003 18:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

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