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I saw you'd created a page "Andorra Ultratrail 2015". There were some basic problems, which I noted on the page. (That doesn't mean there aren't other problems, of course; I noted some especially important concerns.)

I'd recommend you start with Wikinews by looking through WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing. Then the step after that is probably WN:Writing an article. --Pi zero (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thank you


Thank you for your contributions. Especially the changes tou added.
I was happy to find i knew the mentioned links already. But is not possible to think of evereything in a first work ;-).
This first draft was not meant to be prefect. Further independent sources will appear soon in the news papers. I will add them (if no one will be faster).
Thanks so far. --Lib2know (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

help me


After rereading the main lines of policy i want to ask for to favours:

  • First is a opinion about the structure:
    • is the information the first paragraph too less or too much, or the wrong things?
    • "w"-questions: There is nothing about "why" and it is not easy to see why anybody runs 170km ;-) is it ok to go without it?
  • second: i hope it is possible to understand everything, but i can't hope everything is proper english, even i gave my best. Would anybody proofread?

The more obvious missing second sources: i have to wait for them and will ask for further help after adding them.

I take a break now, cause of battery matters ...--Lib2know (talk) 16:40, 27 June 2015 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lib2know (talkcontribs) 16:39, 27 June 2015Reply

Not every one of the basic questions gets answered in every lede, nor in every article.
I suspect one could just put a paragraph break after the first sentence, and that first sentence in itself would likely suffice as a lede, with the following two sentences as detail suitable for a second paragraph in the inverted pyramid.
Btw, the headline will need changing. The headline should be a sentence (without ending ".") rather than a noun phrase; in present tense, preferably in active voice, telling the most important and unique thing about the focus of the article. (Moving the article should be on a dropdown menu over on the right side of the control bar at the top of the page.) --Pi zero (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thank you again, to give me what i missed while the first reading(s). There was lots of work the last days, tomorrow i'm going to do that. There are enough sources available now! But: How is it possible to change the Title (technically)? Probably i can find a proper phrase, but i wonder how it can be made.--Lib2know (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
There should be a control bar across the top of the page, with tabs like "Article", "Read", "Edit", etc. Over toward the right side of that should be a star, and then a dropdown menu (called "more"). The only option on that dropdown menu should be "Rename". --Pi zero (talk) 00:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thank you very much!
now i did the following:
  1. Searching more sources, read them and added the best
  2. corrected two facts and added missing and new data
  3. formatting: shorter first paragraph, headlines for paragraphs
  4. renaming the title to Francesc Solé wins the Andorra Ultra Trail again
  5. removing the hints about the shortcomings, to have a second read.
I really hope this works out. I've been trying to get to its review as soon as possible; with luck (knock wood!) I might be able to start on it within an hour or two, now (though I learned long ago never to promise to do anything on a volunteer project). There are so many things that can go wrong with a first article... --Pi zero (talk) 15:46, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
I am patient. At least you have on mind it's my first article. It won't be the best ever and maybe not the worst ever published. On the other hand i would appreciate if almost three days of work won't end up with filling the garbage box. Anyway i learned a lot. Thanks so far! --Lib2know (talk) 19:03, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
I completed the missing language tags. I didn't know it exists before you added it for the first source ...--Lib2know (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the language tags. --Pi zero (talk) 20:22, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
I followed all your steps. Sorry for the cases, when i didn't work properly. Others where according to my little experience. I expected the subsections to change or removed, but i wanted to offer some in case they are needed.
The whole event is maybe not easy to understand cause the race is going on for many days. So i try to make something clear:
Most winners reached the goal on Saturday; one female winner (Mític) came in on Sunday night 3am (which is written as "deep in the night", correct in my opinion); solidary race and last finisher (and many others) was on Sunday at daytime (last paragraph).
So i think the first two words might be "On Saturday". The rest is pretty clear and correct.--Lib2know (talk) 21:46, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I've been suspecting more and more for a while now that he might have finished on Saturday. Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 21:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Btw, what is "overwhelming 5,000 meters of altitude" intended to mean? Is that the variation in altitude over the course of the race, or is it that the max altitude is more than 5,000 meters? --Pi zero (talk) 21:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
5000m is the sum what they go up to a couple of passes/tops. They call it D+ (=Distance up). Since start and finish is the same, they go the same down (as far as i understand "variation" that would be 10,000m = 5000m up + 5000m down). But according to the descriptions in that sport they show only the sum of ascended meters. It seems "to overwhelm" is the wrong word, but i don't know better right now ... maybe "to ascend" ... can you help it? --Lib2know (talk) 22:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
No problem, now I have confidence I know the meaning needed. I'll likely go into full review mode with this (tagging with {{under review}}) once I finish my supper, which I'm eating now. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Enjoy :-) --Lib2know (talk) 22:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Finally our article was translated (by me but it needed lots of corrections) and published in Catalan language, too: ca:Francesc Solé guanya el Ultra Trail d'Andorra and Syum90 created an international entry into the Wikidata webpage
Also in German available now: de:Francesc Solé gewinnt den Ultra Trail Andorra erneut --Lib2know (talk) 16:30, 4 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
List of things i have to do better next time: User:Lib2know
Finally thank you very much for a great work to improve the article that far. I could not imagine how much there was left to do. It was not the intention to cause that much corrections but finally i learned a lot thanks to your help. On my user page i made a list what to make better next time. In case there is something important missing, please, let me know.--Lib2know (talk) 09:18, 2 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Pictures are a good way to spice up an article. It's just that they need to be there as part of the article when it's published (or added very shortly thereafter). --Pi zero (talk) 11:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
A lot of rules, some to improve the quality. Others will slow down the motivation without improving the quality ... But we can't change it. Every community is as successful as it's rules allow.
Anyway good to learn about it and sorry, i did not find this rule before, again causing action.--Lib2know (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi. A reviewer assessed this article not-yet-ready for publication; see their review comments, and history of edits during review. --Pi zero (talk) 20:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi, PiZero, good to read you again, thanks for information. unfortunately the "review" is not helpful at all. He mentions a missing official standings table. But the very first source contains the official standings table. Probably he did not look up the sources.
Then he talks about "lots of unverifiable points" in the second paragraph. This paragraph is only four lines and does not contain "lots of" informations. But not a single issue is pointed out and therefore not correctable. If I change anything, probably he will mention another "lots of points" out of his secret list ...
This is not very helpful, all: his hostile name, his own mistakes with the source, mentioning "lots of" mistakes without pointing out even a single one, and then this "that would probably cover us" - what does he mean, when he says "us". Is he part of a team or does he speak for someone I don't know? --Lib2know (talk) 21:13, 3 September 2015 (UTC)Reply
BRS is a diligent reviewer, an experienced Wikinewsie, one of the gentlest souls I know, and now, due to your aggressive remarks on the article talk page, I suspect will simply not have anything more to do with your article.
"Us" would be the team working together to publish the article — the writer and the reviewer. Except I think you've driven away the reviewer. --Pi zero (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2015 (UTC)Reply



It seems you still want to contribute to Wikinews. I point out to you that the solution to your problem isn't to look for reviewers you haven't offended yet, but to understand what you did wrong, sincerely apologize for it, and thereby begin to extract yourself from the mess you got yourself into. It does require sincerity; an insincere apology would only make things worse (if possible). --Pi zero (talk) 21:34, 1 October 2015 (UTC)Reply