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Thanks

I may want to assist you in maintaing these pages in future if you wouldn't mind.

Mind! Of course not! Im absolutely, positively, 100% open to any help you can give with localisation! You're probaly the no.1 editor on wikinews at the moment - the place wiould die without you! To be brutally honest - even thought wikinews is several months old now, about 50% of daily edits are by either you, me or perhaps Ronline.

I've been working to keep the Europe sub-pages alive - the biggest problem with these country pages is lack of updates - thankfully Ronline has kept the Romanian page up to date so thats one less worry, there's also been a steady flow of Italian news lately which has kept the Italy page lively - that just leaves UK/Ireland and Germany which i've tried to keep going.

I would really like to create pages for France, Spain, the Benelux countries and Scadanivia... but there will be a lot of work keeping them fresh. The lack of news is not the biggest problem - there have been plenty of Spanish stories on Wikinews so far - however if a spanish page existed, how many writers would actually post new stories on the Spanish portal? Very few if the Germany page is anything to go by...

P.S. Don't go wild with your new admin status when you get it in a few days! CGorman 14:44, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Header

Dan, if you get a chance could you possibly remove (or update/alter) the page header about the funding drive, it is no longer as important and is pushing all news articles 4 or 5 lines downwards. Oh and out of interest how do you actually edit it (for my own future reference)? Thanks. CGorman 17:02, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think thats a little bit better, i'll remove the funding part in a few days. CGorman 18:10, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Actually i'll remove the funding notice now - wikipedia has ditched it, so we'll follow suit. CGorman 18:12, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No prob

No prob, I wrote the article in haste, anyways thats the great thing about wiki - my errors can be fixed by anyone. CGorman 21:40, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Non existant article

Thanks for removing my "non-existant" article. I had written the story and was just saving it (in a seperate tab) but then there was an error on my computer and the text was'nt saved, thankfully i've the text still stored on my computer (I write all my articles in word pad first) so hopefully i'll have the article published soon. CGorman 21:07, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your timing is bad, but I will be there in a moment...

- Amgine 22:19, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ta. I need to go to bed now though, thanks in advance for taking a look. Dan100 (Talk) 22:24, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Good timezone... No, I don't think the editorial clean up tag is specifically necessary, but I don't necessarily see what Carlosar sees either. It is generally better to get consensus to remove tags. - Amgine 22:44, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Help

Only got your message this evening, some debate! Dead/Friendly fire/Alleged... it seems very messy. I see Amgine has gotten involved as a third party, so I don't think another party (me) is really needed at this late stage. I've only briefly looked through the arguments - so im probably not qualifed to make judgements at this point anyhow. All I can say, is be careful! Your reputation (which in my opinion is outstanding) is your greatest asset on a wiki, so try not to get too engrossed in this dispute. Good luck. CGorman 19:20, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Courthouse shootings

Doh! CGorman 15:33, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nichols courtroom shotting

I wrote a breaking news piece located in the Requested Stories section. Being new at this, I am not sure how to post it, but I believe it should replace the lead article as that piece is now dated....Suspect caught in Georgia courtroom slayings

I was, this second starting to write that story! I will get it up pronto. BTW, you can sign your name by typing ~~~~, it's handy to know who said what! Dan100 (Talk) 00:16, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Credit Card piece

An anonymous user claims NPOV and dispute. I replied to that person as follows...

I totally agree the headline should be changed. As I am new to this, I don't know how to do it myself, and did recommend at the time a different headline, but alas it went unnoticed...

I stand by the veracity of the information contained in the article and offer this headline as a revision: Senate hands Credit Card campanies an assist

Edbrown05 01:28, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism?

It's fairly clear that the reason you find Paulrevere2005 so annoying is because you disagree with his politics.

As long as you refuse to admit you have a political agenda of your own, it's difficult to mediate the conflict between the two of you.

Why, you can't even bring yourself to spell out Paulrevere2005's name (what's with referring to him as "Pr"?).

If you feel that you need to resort to labeling Paulrevere2005's posts as vandalism, rather than engaging him in a constructive discussion, my objection stands.

Personally, I have found that it is more constructive to improve the articles Paulrevere2005 calls into question, rather than dismiss him out of hand. I happen to think that his methods are sloppy, but then I'm not adverse to his politics, so perhaps that allows me to be more tolerant of him.

As a staunch NPOV enforcer and leader of the "Wiki way", I'm surprised that you aren't more tolerant of Paulrevere2005's perspective.

— DV 11:20, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

P.S.: Perhaps you should re-read the definition of vandalism? The word doesn't appear to be defined the way you are using it. Was Paulrevere2005's post "obscenities, namecalling, or other wholly irrelevant content"? Vandalism is not misguided or ill-considered content.

I view listing articles for deletion with no valid reasons as being no better than "childish vandalism" or attention-seeking.

I can't be bothered to type Pr's full name; you had no difficulty in identifying who I was referring to so what's the point? (You can call me Dan, you know).

Certainly there's always room for improvement for every article, and the article flags give a mechanism for highlighting when a particular page needs attention. But do you not find it odd that Pr seems to find my articles in particular 'need of attention', especially when no-one else does? I know a personal vendatta when I see one. I can understand he was upset that I listed one of his article for deletion, but then it was written four months after the news event covered. That seems a reasonable reason to me.

BTW I simply don't have a political agenda. Dan100 (Talk) 15:49, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Let's scrap Deletion requests

No. Im seriously worried about scrapping it altogether at this early stage. Perhaps its rules need to be altered (reduce time frame, add a specific admin to monitor it etc.), but scrapping it just like that is too radical. Maybe you should conduct a multiple choice poll with the options: a) scrap, b) keep as it is, c) alter by X, or d) alter by Y, e) alter by Z; to get a feel for what people think before making sudden changes. CGorman 14:20, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Dating for article "Bright object falls from sky over northwest United States"

I noticed you changed the date on this article, but the event did actually occur on March 12 local time. Not sure what the common practice is on this, but it would be helpful at least to add something to the article clarifying this if you believe the publish date should stay March 13. Thanks — Buckwad 17:40, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Break

Wiki-break right now. Of course, this means I've already completely lost the writing contest :)

Don't stay away too long! CGorman 00:11, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews writing contest launched

Dear Dan100,

thanks for registering for the Wikinews writing contest! It now begins officially. Every day, I will try to make a tally of who has and who has not managed to fulfill their story/day requirements. If you do, however, believe I am missing something, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best of luck in the contest!--Eloquence 06:20, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Contest entry missed

Hi Dan100,

you've missed the contest entry for March 21. Since a lot of Wikiaddicts work at night time, I'm willing to make an exception for the first day if you manage to deliver an article by 8:00 GMT (though the next one would need to be delivered before 0:00 GMT). I'm using GMT as a reference because you indicate that you're in the UK.--Eloquence 00:23, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cheers Elo, but don't worry about, I just don't have the time to manage an article every day Dan100 (Talk) 16:38, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Main page

hey, ive done a mock up of some minor changes to the mainpage over at User:The bellman/Sandbox. What do you think? (leave comments on the mainpage talk page) The bellman 01:53, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Good Friday stories

I hope you don't mind my edits.

The Good Friday story was three stories in one, so I broke them up into separate stories.

The one about the Pope skipping mass had enough content to stay under latest news, but I need to add more material to the other two stories about Jerusalem and the Land conflict with the monks, so they are still back in Developing stories. — DV 08:02, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

P.S.: I'm not sure who the anon IP was who submitted these stories originally, but he also submitted something about India's first aircraft carrier that I rewrote as well. — DV 08:03, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Changing dates

Dan, you seem to change dates in articles, bumping them up by one. This latest article (Togo opposition wants election delayed) was published on March 26, in my timezone, and suffers from moving from having the date changed (since it references "today" which now becomes a different date).

I believe that our de facto policy of "first author timezone", or at the very worst, "last editor before publish to homepage timezone", rather than "last editor timezone". Personally I'd perfer that stories never get moved up, but if you do move stories up in date, then please make sure that an article's references to relative dates (today, yesterday, this Friday, etc) get changed as well. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:11, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

We had a discussion on the water cooler (admittedly some time ago) where we agreed to use UTC. Dan100 (Talk) 12:32, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please stop being a UTC Nazi

Just because you have the luxury of having your local computer time equal UTC does not give you the right to disregard the vast majority of the rest of the world by forcing a strict UTC policy on the rest of us. -- Davodd | Talk 11:45, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

First, I'm not in UTC. I'm in British Summer Time. Second, as agreed after discussion on the water cooler, we use UTC to decide when each new day starts. Nearly all editors stick to this except for those who desperately want to go their own way. That's ok, of course, as it just means your stories will be buried below older ones and seen by less people.

Please don't make personal attacks either. Dan100 (Talk) 12:35, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tsunami lack - or - sometimes fear itself is newsworthy...

Davodd, there are no tsunamis in the Indian Ocean. The quake occured at 1610z; as the PTWC point out, if nothing had been observed by three hours later, nothing was going to happen. Please do not add to hysteria by publishing incorrect information. Dan100 (Talk) 21:17, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The fact that thousands of people are evacuating despite the reassurances is news. Please to not blank out valid reporting in the future - it is borderline vandalism. -- Davodd | Talk 21:25, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

So why did you immeadiately remove my content?! Further, the headline was "tsunami fears rise...", I was (correctly) dispelling those fears. If you wanted to write about the evacuations, you should have chosen an appropiate headline. Dan100 (Talk) 12:36, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Main page

hey, ive done a mock up of some minor changes to the mainpage over at User:The bellman/Sandbox. What do you think? (leave comments on the mainpage talk page) The bellman 01:53, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Good Friday stories

I hope you don't mind my edits.

The Good Friday story was three stories in one, so I broke them up into separate stories.

The one about the Pope skipping mass had enough content to stay under latest news, but I need to add more material to the other two stories about Jerusalem and the Land conflict with the monks, so they are still back in Developing stories. — DV 08:02, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

P.S.: I'm not sure who the anon IP was who submitted these stories originally, but he also submitted something about India's first aircraft carrier that I rewrote as well. — DV 08:03, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What are you apologising for?! All good edits :) Dan100 (Talk) 12:38, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Changing dates

Dan, you seem to change dates in articles, bumping them up by one. This latest article (Togo opposition wants election delayed) was published on March 26, in my timezone, and suffers from moving from having the date changed (since it references "today" which now becomes a different date).

I believe that our de facto policy of "first author timezone", or at the very worst, "last editor before publish to homepage timezone", rather than "last editor timezone". Personally I'd perfer that stories never get moved up, but if you do move stories up in date, then please make sure that an article's references to relative dates (today, yesterday, this Friday, etc) get changed as well. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:11, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please stop being a UTC Nazi

Just because you have the luxury of having your local computer time equal UTC does not give you the right to disregard the vast majority of the rest of the world by forcing a strict UTC policy on the rest of us. -- Davodd | Talk 11:45, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

First, I'm not in UTC. I'm in British Summer Time. Second, nearly all editors stick to UTC except for those who desperately want to go their own way. That's ok, of course, as it just means your stories will be buried below older ones and seen by less people.

Please don't make personal attacks either. Dan100 (Talk) 12:35, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It was not meant as a personal attack - but a (failed attempt at humor in) reference to behavior reminesent of Seinfeld's "Soup Nazi." -- Davodd | Talk 14:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

D'oh, I'm not in the US! I'm not sure if Seinfield was broadcast over here. I certainly never saw it... Dan100 (Talk) 19:00, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, accoring to Godwin's law - you win the argument by default, anyway. :-) -- Davodd | Talk 20:13, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tsunami lack - or - sometimes fear itself is newsworthy...

Davodd, there are no tsunamis in the Indian Ocean. The quake occured at 1610z; as the PTWC point out, if nothing had been observed by three hours later, nothing was going to happen. Please do not add to hysteria by publishing incorrect information. Dan100 (Talk) 21:17, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The fact that thousands of people are evacuating despite the reassurances is news. Please to not blank out valid reporting in the future - it is borderline vandalism. -- Davodd | Talk 21:25, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

So why did you immeadiately remove my content?! Further, the headline was "tsunami fears rise...", I was (correctly) dispelling those fears. If you wanted to write about the evacuations, you should have chosen an appropiate headline. Dan100 (Talk) 12:36, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I did not "remove" your content - I first reversed your deletions. Then I re-added the gist of your content within the article in the appropriate context - without deleting otherwise valuable information. This are ways of editing and redirecting a story when information evolves without hacking it to death. -- Davodd | Talk 14:18, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Server time

The system variable {{CURRENTDAY}} uses the server time, and the servers operate on UTC. There is code in Mediawiki to allow this to be adjusted to the user's preferences; I haven't tested if this code is active at the moment. If the user has set a timezone preference, and the code works as expected, all of the system time variables will be modified on the fly for just that user.

If, on the other hand, the variable is used as {{subst:CURRENTDAY}}, what is saved is the output of the variable and will not change. The variable would still be modified by timezone prference (so, if my timezone preference is -11, and I save an article at 2300 my time, the text would be a day in the past compared to UTC.) - Amgine 17:17, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

<chuckle>

The other day I saw SGorman {{welcome}} the weatherbot... He caught it right away, but it was kinda funny. - Amgine 00:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It worked for me. I saw the Japan story. - Amgine 00:34, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Doubt it... let me go check. - Amgine 00:38, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Works fine for me on purge. I may add a purge to that page, just to be sure. - Amgine 00:39, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what I did there. I just added "(test)" to my existing comment and saved the page. Suddenly it just showed the wikitext instead of actually functioning. I rv'd myself and all was fine... possible bug? Dan100 (Talk) 00:41, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Could you also pop a purge link on Brion's page? I can't remember how to do it - it started trying to edit the "...VIBBER&action=purge" page instead... whoops! Dan100 (Talk) 00:43, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's a template - {{refresh}} == Refresh - Amgine 00:44, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ta :) Dan100 (Talk) 00:50, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Damn! I thought nobody noticed me do that! I was just so fustrated seeing the red talk link ever 6 hours on recent changes! The first thing I do when I come to Wikinews everday is go through the last 500 recent changes and open all red talk pages in seperate tabs; then post the welcome message to all of them. Then I slowly go through the whole list of recent changes since my last visit (usually nearly 500 changes) seeing what affects and interests me. → CGorman (Talk) 20:12, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Would you be up for a tough POV/NPOV assignement?

MS-13 "gangsters" and Arizona "vigilantes" prepare to rumble/Temp is the re-write of an article which was deleted for copyvio. It is still really rough on the factual checks. But I don't have time to fix it today... and it's aging fast. Some elements are very newsworthy. If you would like to do it, great, but it's just a favor. - Amgine 21:42, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think that's one of Paulrevere2005's projects, no? I'm quite keen to, well, avoid him really as our encounters never tend to be very healthy :(. Thanks for drawing it to my attention though, if it was written by anyone else I'd be straight over. Dan100 (Talk) 21:58, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

<grin> Quite understood. Thanks for considering it, though! - Amgine 22:00, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

% change

Yes it is indeed on a monthly basis. The figures should be fairly accurate for Jan, Feb, March but less so for Nov and Dec due to the crazy old way of publishing stories (must be approved by community) and the lack of clear and complete digests as we now have.

About the blog: Well i'll see how it goes, its just a place where I can post site news plus my own opinions of site events.

Whilst your here, take a look at Wikinews: Country of the Week, its new initive. I know your not that active at present - but as your living in the UK, you might be able to pen something on Scotland. → CGorman (Talk) 11:07, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Google prefetch

Hey Dan100, thanks for the expansion of the Google prefetch article. Do you have a source for, "Users of capped-downloand and pay-per-download Internet Service Providers have criticized the move for using their allowance or increasing costs."? It's not in any of the sources listed, so I'm going to remove it until we have a source. Pingswept 15:26, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Coo, nothing gets past you lot does it :). The source was, er, actually me in a way. I made the comment on a Firefox developer's blog and people agreed with me, so I wasn't sure what to do. Dan100 (Talk) 16:09, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Link. This raises an issue I've been thinking about recently - we don't allow opinion in our articles, but how is reporting third-party opinion (especially blogs and their comments) any different? I think we should report opinion when it's significant and widely held. Dan100 (Talk) 16:27, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for signing up - contribute when you can, but don't feel under pressure to if your busy. Eritrea's an interesting choice, as you know if theres a tie next week (which is likly since theirs so much choice) the country with the greatest population goes through. → CGorman (Talk) 19:34, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pope

NB: Im giving this message to the 10 or so people I suspect may be on Wikinews when the event occurs.

I've created a story announcing the Popes death - when the Vatican or BBC/Reuters announce he is actually dead please insert the date & time and publish - we will be the 1st news group to break this story (besides our source)! The story is located here User:CGorman/Sandbox. Whilst waiting please improve the story. → CGorman (Talk) 22:45, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

SBC story

As someone who probably doesn't understand the U.S. telecommmunications market very much, your recent move of the SBC/Scientific-Atlanta story was misleading by implying the rollout would be nationwide. Phone companies in the U.S. are regional, not national. I changed it back. -- Davodd | Talk 08:53, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Rather than changing it back, why not move it to a geographically-specific headline that might mean something to users outside of North America? No-one in Europe has heard of SBC. Dan100 (Talk) 08:59, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Because it is uneeded to put nationality in every headline. -- Davodd | Talk

Davodd. I am not American. I have little or no interest in US news. Please do not revert other editor's work. Dan100 (Talk) 10:18, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There was no content reverted by me. Please do not move articles solely due to personal bias. -- Davodd | Talk 11:20, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You rv'd the title. Personal bias? What are you talking about? Please, think about it - this is the English language edition of Wikinews. English speakers are spread right around the globe - stories need something to put them into the appropiate geographical context, so readers can get some idea of whether or not an article is going to be relevant to them. Scan the list of headlines on the site - this is a concept understood and practiced by many if not all editors. Dan100 (Talk) 16:40, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews:Story preparation

Seeing how well preparations have gone for the Pope story, i've created Wikinews:Story preparation. Instead of users preparing stories on their own computers and saving them on their own hard drives, they can place them here to allow other writers to add to them before the event. This will help eliminate duel coverage of the same story - Teeks99 had spent some time yesterday evening writing a Pope story - but did'nt load it onto wikinews resulting in his version being made redundent. Hopefully by allowing users to collaborate on a story from an earlier date, our article quality will be dramatically improved. → CGorman (Talk) 15:10, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bad call

Bad call about the Pope Could be a while yet. He died just 11 minutes after you said that! → CGorman (Talk) 20:55, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I know, I know! Just to cap it off, something went wrong when I added the Pope story to the RSS feed blog (at Blogger's end mind you, perhaps network traffic) which is leading to delays in the RSS showing the story :( Dan100 (Talk) 21:12, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well we all make mistakes... anyways the whole story preparation work excellently - we had a well written and informative article on he main page just as quickly as the BBC or Reuters. → CGorman (Talk) 21:33, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

We actually beat AP Dan100 (Talk) 21:45, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You should apologize to Alan

You recently attacked an article submission entitled "Time for North Americans to spring ahead one hour!", by the new contributor Alan J Franklin, on the article's talk page, with a section headlined "This is getting beyond a joke".

Is this how you welcome new contributors? Thank goodness you weren't accepted as a new administrator.

Alan makes clear that he is from Houston, Texas on his user page. So he wrote an article about something he knew about. That kind of activity should be praised and encouraged, not derided with snickering and insulting comments about its worth.

Please apologize to Alan for attacking his well-intentioned article submission. And please consider balancing your anti-American political agenda with a more community-oriented spirit.

If you want to "get back" at North Americans, feel free to write and submit stories which reflect poorly on that region. But acting in bad faith against a harmless article about Daylight Savings time is really beyond the pale.

Chasing off new contributors and poisoning the working environment with anti-North American rhetoric against your fellow contributors is not a very good way of showing that you are for Wikinews.

I will continue to oppose any future nominations for you to become an Administrator as long as you continue to act in this manner.

— DV 12:22, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

David, I'm entitled to my opinions. Alan has written quite a few articles now and can't be described as a 'newcomer'. I also have no desire to "get back at North Americans" - where do you get these ideas from?! Dan100 (Talk) 13:36, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I just flipped on the news, and they were announcing daylight savings time.

For readers to depend on Wikinews as a reliable news source, we have to report the news that affects them. Hundreds of millions of clocks need to be reset today. I usually find out about DST from hearing about it on the news. I'd like for some of our visitors to feel they can depend on Wikinews for news someday. You seem to think we don't need to report DST and that people should get that news from somewhere else. Whatever. Do you want us to stay in beta forever? The community will decide this question. I predict you'll be overruled yet again (as usual).

For someone who claims he is too busy to even write one story a day, you have an amazing amount of time to attempt to set policies and guidelines for this site, and to critique the work of those of us who are actually writing stories every day.

If you don't understand why you should apologize to Alan, it's your loss, not mine. I will continue to try and embrace the work of my fellow contributors and reap the rewards that comes with that attitude. — DV 14:18, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I actually work in a school and am currently on Easter holiday. So right now I do have time to work on the site, and have posted articles the last few days. I also averaged more than one story a day mid-January to early March; often my work accounted for 50% or more of Wikinews content during those days. I just see no reason to crow about it. Dan100 (Talk) 14:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No one accused you of "crowing". You have completely ignored the issue. If you keep tagging harmless stories from other contributors for deletion, for the flimsiest of reasons, you will quickly lose any of the goodwill you have established towards your online persona by contributing so much in the earlier days of this site.

Alan contributed a highly topical story. It wasn't that much work to add to the story to make it more interesting to other readers who aren't in North America.

Please join me in tolerating diverse news stories from contributors with different interests. If you want to make fun of a story on the talk page, that's one thing. I've indulged in that a few times. But nominating articles for deletion just because they don't affect you personally is a bad faith gesture that doesn't do much for building the community.

Why not help to make an article you object to more newsworthy instead? It's so much easier than arguing and is more productive. — DV 15:41, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

When did I say anyone said I was "crowing"?!

As for listing articles for deletion, any editor can do that if they feel an article falls foul of the Deletion guidelines.

I don't think a single article on Wikinews has ever actually affected me personally. To claim that I listed for deletion those two articles (that's two, out of the 100s written since I last listed an article) for that reason is an idea I completely reject.

PS sorry I didn't spot this earlier. Dan100 (Talk) 20:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Gmail invite

Hi Dan100. Could you post a Gmail invite for me? Thanks DoubleBlue 15:34, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Dan. You the man! DoubleBlue 17:01, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You know, Dan, I hadn't heard of that Yahoo 360 till now. Looks interesting. Would you mind an invite for that too? Cheers DoubleBlue 17:15, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) (Talk)

Can I invite you to?

You wrote:

Lay off the "personal/political agenda" thing for a bit? I'm beginning to lose count of the times you've accused me of having one! I can only give you my personal assurance that I do not have such an agenda. Dan100 (Talk) 17:45, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sure I'll accept your invitation, right after you accept my invitation to embrace contributors with a diverse set of perspectives and collaborate instead of dismissing those you disagree with out of hand. I'll accept your invitation after you accept my invitation to tolerate stories even when they don't fit your personal view of what's important in the world.

You've stated in the past that you don't give a damn about what others think of the news. Your true colors are showing today.

I invited you first. Why won't you accept my invitation?

— DV 18:30, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

David, why don't you actually collect some evidence to support this idea that I have a 'personal view', 'political agenda' etc? Or even something for your latest accusation that I do not tolerate views of others or do not collaborate?

Rather than continuing to cast around allegations, I'd like to see some real evidence I could respond to. Dan100 (Talk) 20:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You really need me to trot out your history to refresh your memory?

Wikinews has not had any use for the Request for Comments and Mediation "features" on Wikipedia so far. I want to keep it that way, so I'm not going to spend my day trolling through your 2000+ edit history to build a case. I'm not sure what it would accomplish, given your uniquely poor attitude.

The other contributors on this site seem to have worked out a way to collaborate on stories even when they aren't quite ready for prime time, but you see fit to waltz around declaring this story and that one is unworthy of your respect.

It's especially beyond the pale when you throw a Deletion request on an article without even lifting a finger to try and improve the article to see if it can be salvaged.

On other occassions, you have abused the spirit of "be bold" and made major changes to policy or guideline pages with no attempt at first building a consensus, despite numerous requests on talk pages to catch our breath and consider the implications of such changes.

Finally, you have a long history of making many non-minor edits with no comment at all, leaving your fellow editors mystified about what you are doing. In many professional circles this would be grounds for termination. Lucky for you we're all amatuers on this site. You've even mischaracterized a contribution by Paulrevere2005 as "vandalism" simply because you disagreed with his point of view.

I could go on, but your lack of substantive responsiveness to requests by several of the most senior and respected members of this site to be more collaborative, plus the recent rejection of your candidacy for Administrator, make it pretty clear that no more "proof" is necessary, if that's what you need to look in the mirror. — DV 20:54, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well if you aren't prepared to produce any evidence, that says it all, I think.

We obviously have different interpretations of policies such as "being bold" and "good faith". I am happy to continue quietly agreeing to disagree with you as I have done so far. Are you prepared to do that? Or will you just continue to make more and more attacks upon me because of some deep-rooted personal problems you seem to have with me? Dan100 (Talk) 08:53, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your assertion that I have not presented any evidence is disingenuous at best.

Since you insist on my trotting out your user history, I shall reluctantly do so. I have taken up The Bellman's friendly offer of mediation, so your user history can be laid out bare for all to see if you insist that is necessary. I regret it has come to mediation, but for the good of the community and a renewal of the "wiki spirit" I shall see you on whichever page The Bellman sees fit to set up. — DV 12:16, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

mediation

yeah im happy to help since i think you are both valuable contributors and dont like to see you fighting; but ive never done anything like this before and dont really know where to even start... I guess i'll go and read all of your and DV's talk page, the deleation requests talk page, and the spring articles talk page. Anywhere else that i should familiarise myself with? ~The bellman | Smile 10:26, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No I don't think you need to read anything else. Thanks for agreeing to help us! Dan100 (Talk) 12:10, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews:Dispute resolution. Hope i can help. ~The bellman | Smile 13:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

add finished articles to the top of the list of articles that day

You wrote me

BTW can I invite you to add finished articles to the top of the list of articles that day? New entries are easier to see then :)

Sorry for that. I thought I had to put at the bottom. I am already familiar to wiki code (I wrote some article on en wikipedia) AnyFile 12:54, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Variables in DPL

No, variables do not currently work in DPL, and it is already being worked on as a feature request. (We already have an updated version ready to be added, we just have to figure out the process of getting the extension updated.)

To build a "today's news" system you'll need to update the template by hand, probably something like this:

== News April 5, 2005 ==
<DynamicPageList>
category=April 5, 2005
category=Published
count=5
</DynamicPageList>

The date category would require manual updates every day, which is the reason for putting the date in the section name (to remind everyone what day is being listed, so it gets updated daily). - Amgine 19:37, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Right now I think the existing templates system you set up works better as it builds the daily/monthly archives at the same time which remain a good static record of when stories were posted to the Main Page. However I'm using the DPLs you set up on South America on other Region pages that get little upkeep, as it seems a reasonable way to keep them more up-to-date. Dan100 (Talk) 20:30, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

<nod> I'll see if I can get a chance to look at what you're doing. I'm getting the most amazing run of help requests today... - Amgine 20:33, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, here's another! Do you know anything about Javascript? I'm trying to get a bookmarklet that fills in forms for a webpage for me to then actually submit the page without me clicking anything else. Could you help with that? I can show you the code so far. Dan100 (Talk) 20:43, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no... I know nothing about Javascript other than how to add one (sort of) to an html page. I actually don't know anyone who does, though obviously there are some excellent JS folks with the development team. - Amgine 20:46, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I might ask on #mediawiki then, but seeing as it's not directly connected with a Wikimedia thing I'll just ask nicely. Dan100 (Talk) 20:49, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Not that I wouldn't ask nicely! Dan100 (Talk) 20:49, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You can go ahead with Europe... but one thing, how come the latest story is listed last (no. 10)? → CGorman (Talk) 21:19, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed that :/. You'd better ask Amgine! Dan100 (Talk) 21:35, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)