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-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Super Bowl LI

This is an encyclopedic article; it doesn't belong here. Technically, it could have been speedy-deleted, but since that's kind of abrupt I instead put a tag on it with links to pages you should read to understand the project better. WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing, and Wikinews:Writing an article. --Pi zero (talk) 15:30, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@--Pi zero Thank you for helping me out understand the things that need to be done to my article. Thank you. --Tillbrian 2.0 (talk)

I don't think you've got the sense of it, yet. You've got an article with an encyclopedic name (a noun — the headline of a news article is a sentence, with a verb), the text says something will happen (a news article is about something that happened in the recent past), and there are no sources listed at all (a news article has documentation with which everything in it can be verified). I'm trying to be helpful about this, but at some point I do expect to delete the page as out-of-scope for a news project. --Pi zero (talk) 19:00, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@--Pi zero I promise you that there will be sources and everything will be cleaned up soon. --Tillbrian 2.0 (talk)

It's still being presented as an article saying that something is going to happen. That's not preparing a story; a prepared story says "such-and-such happens", but such-and-such hasn't happened yet. This says "such-and-such is going to happen", which is clearly meant to be read before the fact, and in that form it is unpublishable; essentially it's trying to use Wikinews as a blog. Frankly, if something actually happened — like, the game got played – I don't think what's on that page atm would be of any help in writing an article about the actual event; I think it might well get in the way of writing an article about the actual event, and make it less likely we would end up with an article about the actual event. So I'm leaning strongly toward speedy-deleting it. An article can be written from scratch when there is something to write about. --Pi zero (talk) 13:36, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

@--Pi zero Alright go ahead and Delete it and once the game happens then maybe I'll re- write it. Most likely not , but whatever happens. I just don't know what else to do anymore I've read a lot of your rules and I can't just figure it out anymore. --Tillbrian 2.0 (talk)

I'm sorry our documentation isn't working for you. It seems as if the difficulty might be over the concept of a focal event. Each news article is built around some specific thing that happened in the recent past (say, a day or two ago). For example, if something is announced on Tuesday — something that was not publicly known before that — the announcement might be used as the focal event for a news article. We've got plenty of published articles in our archives where the focal event is an announcement. If it's announced (for the first time) that a game will be played on such-and-such a day, that could be news (assuming it's of interest, which is no problem in this case). It's only news for a little while, though, while it's still fresh. The focus can't be something that hasn't happened yet; in fact, we don't even say, incidentally in an article about something that has happened, that something is going to happen, because we don't know the future. Okay, we do know that, as I write this, tomorrow will be Friday, January 27; but if a game, or a meeting, or a press conference is scheduled to take place tomorrow, we can only report that it's scheduled to take place tomorrow, not that it is definitely going to happen. (It might not happen as scheduled; all kinds of things might prevent it from happening as scheduled, some of them dire and some of them just unexpected.) --Pi zero (talk) 14:48, 26 January 2017 (UTC

@--Pi zero That clears things up for me. So thanks

In all seriousness, an article on Wikinews needs to be a news article rather than an encyclopedia article. In addition to WN:PILLARS and WN:WRITE, which I've recommended before, you might also find WN:Article wizard of interest. --Pi zero (talk) 15:50, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@--Pi zero I understand.--Tillbrian 2.0 (talk)