Talk:Coordinated terrorist attack hits London

Meta discussions about Wikinews reporting on this event are at /Meta.

I'm hearing this on the radio. Apparently it's on the wires, so I'm going looking... Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 08:31 (UTC)

That second 'source' is a verbatim copy of what the radio station I'm listening to is saying. So it's not just us doing it! Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 08:40 (UTC)

I'm listening to London BBC and am in my office right opposite Euston. We heard the explosion at Tavistock Square. Info about hospitals from a friend and corroborated on BBC. ClareWhite 7 July 2005 10:00 (UTC)

photo captions need more detail

Photo captions need more detail for people unfamiliar with what they are showing. -- Davodd | Talk 7 July 2005 10:25 (UTC)

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Statement

The Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir Ian Blair told London Live that there have been ‘events’ at Edgware Road, Kings Cross, Liverpool Street, Russell Square, Aldgate East and Moorgate.

Sources

There are no sources for the "additional reports" about Brighton, Luton, and Swindon. If sources are not provided, that entire paragraph should be removed. Uncle G 7 July 2005 10:28 (UTC)

Or new stories - with localised impact should be written. BTW - original reporting may not have sources beyond personal interviews or self witnessing. -- Davodd | Talk 7 July 2005 10:33 (UTC)

Uncle G, it was on BBC News 24 but yes we need proper sources Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 10:41 (UTC)

Tag sources: Flickr group: http://www-us.flickr.com/groups/londonexplosions/ Technorati tag: http://www.technorati.com/search/london%20explosions Videoblog entries: http://mefeedia.com/tags/london_explosion/

For how long?

At what point will we know how long the tube closure is going to last? I'm meant to be travelling to Colchester on Saturday, and my route includes a tube change. What's the likelihood that I'm going to have to replan my route? -- Smjg 7 July 2005 10:30 (UTC)

I don't think anyone knows, but I wouldn't bet on it being a full service by then Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 10:42 (UTC)

At the emergency services press conference (started at around 15:15) the London Underground spokesmen said that they hope to have a service running by tomorrow morning. Parts of the Circle line are unlikely to be operating because of the Aldgate/Liverpool Street incident. The Edgeware road bomb is reported to have damaged the tunnel wall. The reports are that the electrical system of the underground is intact, to get the service up and running it should be a case of clearing the damaged trains and checking for damage to the tunnels and tracks. Phillip.Fayers 7 July 2005 15:45 (BST)

Take a look at http://www.londontransport.co.uk/ for updates.

Mobile phone networks

Vodafone has reached capacity accoridng to the BBC. Personal experience tells me O2 is also in difficulty. SkypeOut is working to landlines but not mobile phones really. [1] Portions of the network have been shut down.

This may be in response to the Madrid train bombings (allegedly) being triggered by mobile-phone.

I suspect it's simply the networks being at saturation. This sort of thing happens every year on New Years Eve e.t.c. I imagine a lot of people outside of the area are trying to call in to friends/relatives e.t.c. --Defragged 7 July 2005 12:03 (UTC)

BBC.co.uk says "Emergency service calls are being given priority on mobile phone networks." --82.152.147.222 7 July 2005 14:51 (UTC)

Secondary attacks?

I've heard a report that there have been secondary blasts at the scenes of the bus explosions, injuring and/or killing rescue workers. Can anyone confirm this? The news sites are, understandably, sluggish in loading ATM. --Mukashi 7 July 2005 10:35 (UTC)

I'm not hearing anything about that, I must say. Listen live to BBC Radio Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 10:43 (UTC)

I would if the page would actually load. ^^;; Like I said, understandably sluggish ATM. Good to hear that there haven't been reports of it though. --Mukashi 7 July 2005 10:58 (UTC)

The secondary blasts were probably "controlled explosions" which were announced by the police, not further bombs/terrorist activity. I'll try and find a source.

more than one story here

Remember - there is more than one story here - do not be afraid of starting a separate sub-story on such topics as victims, cause, money lost to businesses, transit delays - etc. -- Davodd | Talk 7 July 2005 10:40 (UTC)

Any news on Benjamin Netanyahu?

Reuters story states 'The Great Eastern Hotel, which was hosting a conference on the Israeli economy, was evacuated. Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was due to attend the conference but had not arrived.' The Great Eastern Hotel is on Liverpool Street - Liverpool Street Station was the first hit. Locations of blasts follow a line from Edgware Road round to Aldgate.

According to the AP, he had advanced notice and changed his plans AP Article --Ptdecker 7 July 2005 16:22 (UTC)

Al Qaeda

BBC just confirmed that Al Qaeda is behind these bombings

BBC LATEST: Islamist website carries message claiming responsibility for London attacks.

They've got a page up now with a translation of the message: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm (The BBC news site seems to still be accessible)

website of the BBC is now unreachable, but the reports on TV say it is confirmed by Arabic experts that are examing the Arabic broadcasts.

Please only report what we know, not speculation Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 11:21 (UTC)

Al Jazeera: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/812224C7-006D-4424-B15B-EC3E8381A4D7.htm

Why is somebody citing wikipedia to say that it's saying Al-Queda is related? How can that be considered a credible source at the moment? --70.50.118.56 7 July 2005 11:28 (UTC)

unconfirmed, but the German paper 'Der Spiegel' says they were approached by an organisation that calls itself: 'the Secret Organisation of Al Qaeda in Europe' to be responsible for the bombing

Please don't cite WP - our fact-checking is better than theirs Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 11:30 (UTC)

Hilton evacuated

Does anyone have the casualty number, I can't get onto the BBC

The number of people confirmed dead in the attacks is now 38, Deputy Assistant Police Commissioner Brian Paddick says. Thirty-five people died on the tube, two on the bus and one later in hospital. It appears that the BBC are prioritising access to UK readers.

Tony Blair Statement

Tony Blair has stated that he will be returning to London to talk face to face with the rescue services. The G8 will continue as usual and Mr. Blair will return this evening

Blair say this act is barbaric, especially since it is at the same time when G8 talked about Africa and the hunger.

'Our determination to defend our way of living is greater than from the terrorist to cause victims and deaths among innocent people'. (Quotation may not be correct)

Would it be fair to comment that Blair looked visibly shocked? --Nidonocu 7 July 2005 11:25 (UTC)

Absolutely... Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 11:29 (UTC)

Hilton evacuated

Sorry, i should have said it's the bloomsbury hilton. ClareWhite 7 July 2005 11:18 (UTC)

Canary Wharf shooting?

Just a rumour from a friend by email, but apparently a suicide bomber has been shot at Canary Wharf. Can anyone confirm this, or is it just made up?

User:skx: BBC News 24 was asked about this in their press conference. It was denied, and the policeman representing the discussion said there were no snipers involved anywhere.

I heard this too and there are other reports on the web that there definitely were witnesses in the HSBC tower at canary Wharf to a man being shot dead by police - why is this being covered up? Surely if the police had intercepted a bomber they would be boasting about it!???

Maybe it wasn't a terrorist, just a civillian, that could be why they are trying to cover it up!

Difference in Wikipedia and Wikinews

Once and for all - it's 4, as in four http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/london_blasts/html/default.stm Adidas 7 July 2005 22:05 (UTC)

Was there six or seven explosions reported?

Six - WP is wrong Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 11:25 (UTC)

That is, five on the Underground on one on a bus Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 11:25 (UTC)

There have been three on the buses, according to http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=24&art_id=qw1120731120964B216 Ronline 7 July 2005 11:27 (UTC)

It's wrong: BBC are confirming 6 on the Underground and one on a bus Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 11:29 (UTC) Four: http://www.met.police.uk/

the references tyo the russel square station mean the bus in tavistock square i think

I'm now hearing seven.... can't find source yet ClareWhite 7 July 2005 11:34 (UTC)

No news on this tour bus that has apparently also been hit. This is separate from the number 205, pictures of which have already been seen on TV.

same here, the English Police would gave confirmed it to be seven (on Dutch TV and Sky). Source not online to check this fact.

Are you sure this three bus thing is not true? It seems to be confirmed by the police. Ronline 7 July 2005 11:40 (UTC)

Double digit fatalities reporties underground.

Police chief is saying 6 total incidents, 1 on bus. Not all of which are necessarily explosions. Thryduulf 7 July 2005 11:45 (UTC)

flikr pool for images http://www.flickr.com/groups/74918957@N00/pool/

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/ reports the bus at Tavistock Place was a #30

Scotland yard say 4 explosions NOT 6 Source: http://www.met.police.uk/ the difference is due to the trains being between stations (aldgate and liverpool st, kings cross and russell square) - This needs to be made clear in the article.

• Can someone put the picture I made into this article? It can be found on the wikipedia article and is named. "(assumed)London Attacks 2005v2.jpg" Sveden 7 July 2005 20:37 (UTC)

i heard from a friend who works in the area that a person was seen shot dead outside canary wharf, possibly a sniper and/or suicide bomber. although it is being denied by the met, mi5 and mi6 at present i believe there to be some truth behind this rumour. can anyone give anymore details?

Canary Wharf police sniper- Denied

As of 15:58 a the police response press conference, This has been denied by Brian Paddick of the met police he claims to have heard nothing of this previously

IOC

Another good story would be one based on this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/front_page/4659781.stm Ronline

Numbers

Somebody needs to comb through this article and keep numbers self-consistent!

further explosions

reports from people in the area that there has been another explosion in wandsworth, at the olympic bid headquarters. any confirmation?

New article : France raises security level to red in response to London bombings. Ronline | STAY.STRONG.LONDON 7 July 2005 12:15 (UTC)

I've found nothing about Wandsworth and the bombings. Ronline | STAY.STRONG.LONDON 7 July 2005 12:18 (UTC)

Other Countries

'The "Vigipirate plan" was raised from "orange" to "red".'

If we're going to talk about this, can we have some indication of what it actually means?

Its the standard alert code for most of the govement. It goes from safe to danger; white > black > black special > yellow > orange > red. --Nidonocu 7 July 2005 12:39 (UTC)

This is a little old, but the Plan Vigipirate is actually a four-level security alert system in France (which was indeed raised as a result of these bombings). The alert code mentioned above appears to refer to the UK version, BIKINI. GreenReaper 19:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hotline number

The hotline numbers quoted on Wikipedia and Wikinews are different

wp

HOTLINE NUMBER: 0207 766 6020

wn

+44 (0) 20 8358 0101.

are they both correct?

• Please check the sources, and find out for us. Uncle G 7 July 2005 12:46 (UTC)
• The BBC have been giving out the second one (source BBC Southern Counties Radio)

The Wikinews one is the British Transport Police's number; the wikipedia one is the general Met police one. I've added it to the wikinews article. Proto 7 July 2005 13:30 (UTC)

Neither of these are correct. 0870 15 66 3 44 is the correct Casualty Bureau number. The **** 0101 number will definitely not work.

In the telephone number list:

• 0870 1566 344 should be 0870 156 6344, standard formatting for UK 0870 numbers as shown by all the other 0870 numbers listed on this site.
• 1 800 002 214 is undiallable in the UK, and is one digit too short to be a US number. Is this supposed to be the UK number 0800 002 214, or is it an Australian number?
• 1 800 242 548 is undiallable in the UK, and is one digit too short to be a US number. Is this supposed to be the UK number 0800 242 548, or is it an Irish number?
• 44 20 7589 8989 should be +44 20 7589 8989, clarification of international format by adding the + at the front.
• 913791628 should be +34 913791628, as per the previous three numbers in the list. The others have +34 but this one did not.
• 020-78241457 should be (020) 7824 1457, standard formatting for London telephone numbers, as per every London phone number on the rest of this site. Srd77 (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

• Not done Added unsigned, and with no sources to verify changes. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 00:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

None of these are changes to the actual numbers. All of these are changes to the formatting, either to comply with the way UK numbers are written and/or the addition of the '+' prefix to clarify that a number is in the international format. I have no idea how to find a source that tells you that '1 800 002 214 is undiallable from the UK' other than to ask you to dial it on your own telephone and see for yourself that it does not connect. If you're in the US you will already know that the number, as presented, is a digit short of what a US 1 800 number should look like. Srd77 (talk) 11:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC) {{editprotected}} Please action items 1, 4, 5, 6 from the above list. Items 2 and 3 are merely comments that the numbers cannot be correct. (Srd77 (talk) 16:37, 21 December 2009 (UTC))

• Not done. Read WN:ARCHIVE and stop nagging people about phone number formatting in historical records. This is not Wikipedia. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 10:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Consistency

Somebody should make the statement from Tony Blair earlier and at the G8 a little more consistent looking. One is italicized, the other not. One has separate header, the other not. --70.50.118.56 7 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)

Queen's Statement

The Queen has made her statement, how should it be added to the list at the bottom of this article? --Nidonocu 7 July 2005 12:40 (UTC)

• To start, simply add another section, like the section on the PM's statement. Uncle G 7 July 2005 12:46 (UTC)
• The statements by world leaders have been broken out into World leaders respond to London blasts. Uncle G 7 July 2005 13:34 (UTC)

how many explosions

BBC London are now saying up to 7 explosions, the press people in the building here are saying 8: five on the tube and three on buses, but the buses seem not to be being mentioed anymore so perhaps they weren't confirmed. People are coming to our building now out of the rain and they seem shocked but OK. The biggest problem, assuming there are no more explosions, will be people stranded here while all the transport is down ClareWhite 7 July 2005 12:44 (UTC)

Hi I just saw a report on BBC where a police representative said there were 4 explosions on the Subway, but becaus of many exit points there has been confusion, as for the busses I cant say much. username>Kurogawa

Canary Wharf

Totally unconfirmed anecdotal report that a suicide bomber was shot today at Canary Wharf which is why that area (a commonly assumed target) is safe. Anyone hear anything? --81.178.105.106 7 July 2005 13:03 (UTC)

This question was asked at the emergency services press conference which started at 15:15 (BST). The police spokesman present reported that there had been no such incident.

Kings Cross

There is apparently still a rescue effort going on there. Why? Are any of these explosions underground? I have a growing feeling that the confusion over numbers and casualties may stem from a degree of blackout. I have spoken to friends in other areas of London over my lunchbreak and there are various offices where people are not being allowed out of their buildings. It seems to me that the dust is not yet fully settled.

I get the impression, from seeing police going in and out of Euston, that they are checking all the transport areas. Certainly there was at least one explosion on the Northern line which is very deep underground so it is possible that there are still people stuck in carriages. I wouldn't say there is a blackout, good reporting on the radio (and here!) and everyone is being told to tune in. People are being told not to go anywhere, this I think is to ease the way for emergency services and there are no tubes or buses so everyone has to walk, and also because they are obviously concerned about further attacks.

Yeh, they just said on the radio they're still pulling people out. ClareWhite 7 July 2005 13:15 (UTC)

Sky News

Sky News UK are now reporting that the number dead are now 45 -- anon

LONDON CLOSED (?)

The UK Highways agency has an news item on their front page that states "At the request of the police, the message: 'Avoid London - Turn on Radio' is being displayed on electronic motorway message signs on the M25 and other major routes approaching London." (http://www.highways.gov.uk/)

However if you go to the live traffic map that shows the current road conditions and the live contents of the electronic motorway message signs, they actually say: "AVOID LONDON AREA. CLOSED"

--KSts 7 July 2005 15:05 (UTC)

Update: On the traffic map it is also indicated that on the M4 motorway heading out of town (J1-J2) there are currently delays of more that 3 hours! --[KSts] 7 July 2005 15:08 (UTC)

taxi gouging

Since 11 AM my in-laws have been trying to get home to North London from Surrey. Many local taxi firms they contacted are simply not taking any more bookings. They have tried inner London firms in case they can get a ride back from an airport run. The refusal to take bookings is understandable but those that are still open are charging extortionate rates warning the M25 and many other roads are still gridlocked so few people can afford the unpredictable and likely enormous cost of a metered journey. Some drivers want to work off the meter and the fares are triple what is normally charged. (81.174.205.253 forgot to sign at 11:36, July 7, 2005) - Please remember to sign your discussion contributions.

What do we mean by London being "rocked"?

It's a horrible cliche and completely inappropriate. Please choose something less ridiculous --161.73.58.135 7 July 2005 15:44 (UTC)

• I agree with this; would it be possible to change the title to something such as "Four bombs explode in London"? It's a bit more boring, maybe someone has a better idea? - McCart42 (talk) July 7, 2005 16:24 (UTC)
• I think "Four bombs explode in London" is a good title - factual, succinct and not sensationalist. Thryduulf 7 July 2005 16:39 (UTC)
• If you take a look at "what links here", you'll see that this article has gone by several titles already. ☺ If you do rename it, then please fix up the resulting double redirects as you do so. Uncle G 7 July 2005 17:09 (UTC)

Possible new story angles

What are the security responses of nations besides the UK? France, Germany and the United States are on various levels of heightened alert, for example.

The responses of world leaders, and offers of assistance from other nations, is another potential wikinews story.

(insert your suggestion here)

--Jgarzik 7 July 2005 15:54 (UTC)

• We already have several separate stories on exactly these angles. Uncle G 7 July 2005 17:11 (UTC)

Anyone got quotes of Sharon and Putin quoting on the crisis?

Casualty numbers

BBC News 24 are reporting ambulance service have treated 45 serious / critical injuries and 300 less serious injuries.

--Satoru 7 July 2005 17:16 (UTC)

Can we possible get a clear picture of how many explosions took place in the introductory section? I'm hearing multiple accounts and don't know which it use to edit.

Numbers are 38 dead as one died later in hospital (up from 37).

Renamed to Coordinated terrorist attack in London

Renamed to a more accurate title. The previous title was nondescriptive because it is unknown of how many bombs at each site were used, and it is undescriptive of the type of explosive used (ie: Suicide or not)

The prime minister has acknoledged/confirmed that was Terrorists, and a Coordinated attack. Therefore this change in title is warranted

--The Land of Smeg 7 July 2005 18:01 (UTC)

• Please fix up the double redirects when you rename articles. Uncle G 7 July 2005 18:13 (UTC)

• Could you please rename it the proper way for me until I learn how to do this. The Land of Smeg 7 July 2005 18:18 (UTC)

• • Headlines should have verbs - you way want to read the Wikinews:Style_guide#Headlines. ;-) -- Davodd | Talk 8 July 2005 05:45 (UTC)

Just for the record we knew exactly how many bombs there were at that point in time (four). Dan100 (Talk) 07:57, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Pics and link table

I may be alone in this, but I find having pics on the left side and then the link table on the right really ugly. Couldn't you just put the pics on the right side below the link table? Is it absolutely necessary to have the pics starting at the top? I think they're the same width and it would look a lot nicer IMHO of course. --65.95.201.20 7 July 2005 19:48 (UTC)

Original Reporting?

I know this is the second time this week I'm mentioning this for different articles but WHERE THE HECK ARE THE ORIGINAL REPORTING NOTES? I'm disturbed to see "This article contains original reporting" and then no easily accessable notes for accountability. --RossKoepke 7 July 2005 22:10 (UTC)

stuff happened so quickly this morning. I'm sure that relates to ClareWhite and Dan, but I don't know in what way. Lyellin 7 July 2005 22:13 (UTC)

Ross, look above ;) -- NGerda July 7, 2005 22:15 (UTC)

I just don't see anything striking me as "I saw ____" or "I was at the scene" or "I talked with people who ____" I mean I'm probably just missing it because the wording is not what I'm expecting, but if "At the emergency services press conference (started at around 15:15) the London Underground spokesmen said that they hope to have a service running by tomorrow morning." is original reporting (not saying it is) then there's no way I can tell the diff between original reporting notes and what people are hearing from other news services. -- RossKoepke 7 July 2005 22:22 (UTC)

As far as I know Clare was in London at her office near Euston Station; I think she said she heard the blast. → CGorman (Talk) 8 July 2005 11:06 (UTC)

Dan and I were communicating and reporting right at the beginning, me from what I was hearing closer to the ground, but we didn't add anything into the mainpage until it was corroborated by other sources, for example I heard the explosion and heard from a second-hand source that it was a bus, so I told Dan but I don't think we actually added it to the story until it had been confirmed on the radio about 20 minutes later. Since the story was moving so fast, there was nothing that I reported from close by that wasn't later superseded by sourced reporting. So you can take the tag off if you like, but I don't think it's unreasonable to have it there since there are original photos and remnants of original reporting. Being a cowardly sort of reporter, I chose to remain indoors than race down to the scene and talk to people: I did later help with the efforts at Friends House but couldn't really face engaging in any 'how do you feel' nonsense, there were enough other journalists there doing that :) ClareWhite 8 July 2005 12:56 (UTC)

Clare, may I ask, is that the Friend's house right down the street from King's Cross? Lyellin 8 July 2005 19:50 (UTC)

I only just saw this question - Friends House is on the Euston Road opposite Euston, so not very near Kings Cross but very close to Tavistock Square, as in it's the closest bus stop heading South :) We heard the explosion and some of the first witnesses got here (we opened the building for the stranded) and told my colleagues about the bus which I then reported to Dan100 on his talk page, about ten/twenty minutes ahead of the first witness report on BBC London Live. ClareWhite 08:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

German News (wdr) reports more than 50 death

The German news reports more than 50 verified deaths. Very, very sad. See [2]

• And so does Wikinews. Have a look at the second lead. Uncle G 8 July 2005 12:27 (UTC)

We need a peaceful world

I'm a Chinese girl from Chengdu.On July 7th when I stayed in my office chatting with my friend who told me that London has a great bombing.I'm shocked and so suprised.that's the really worst thing I heard before.We need a peaceful world.Why not could we have a peaceful attitude to discuss everthing whatever USA or the European Union.The dumb millions are inculpable.Let us stop fighting and battling.

Friend of a friend

This is a bit “a friend of a friend”… A colleague of mine spoke to two friends of his who both work at the Wharf. Independently they confirmed the shooting, having both seen the snipers and the event. 81.133.208.151 12:55, 9 July 2005 (moved from redirected talk page Uncle G 9 July 2005 13:19 (UTC))

Deadline?

Here's an issue with this article, and in Wikinews in general - how are deadlines handled? The dateline on this article reads July 7, even though there are edits well past this date, up until July 9. Do we need better editing discipline here? Most other news operations will make changes discrete with UPDATES or WRITETHROUGH. If an article is datelined a certain date, it should be closed at some point. Fuzheado 03:21, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

But what if the article still has wrong or misleading information? Nothing to do with Wikinews, as many news media reported wrong information in the hours and days after the attacks, but this article still has Aldgate East (instead of Aldgate) as the destination of the Liverpool Street train, and has the bus going from Hackney Wick to Marble Arch (instead of from Marble Arch to Hackney Wick). Even this bus route information is still being misreported by many news media. With an event like this, many "reports" will be corrected. But how does Wikinews handle this?

Fuzheado is right - we need better discipline. By July 9 we had many more newer articles, which are more up to date. This article - as with any article - should not be edited after the day (except for typos etc). If there are developments, start a new article. The fact it's wrong doesn't matter particulary - this is what we knew at the time. Dan100 (Talk) 08:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Attack on London

I am an American sending my condolance to all of Britian for this terrible attack. Please know How sorry I am that this has taken the lives of so many innocent people. You are in my prayers.

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?50@16.0Q0lfLiv6Jg.32@.7747fb90/63

hi i think we should really think about why these terrorist have done this and may be look at our foriegn policy and our support in the iraq war and save the lifes of innocent people all around the world

I'm sure a large percent of those who died weren't in favour of the Iraq War. Some probably went to peace rallies in London. Yes, blame 'our foriegn policy' if it makes you feel guilt free.

Word "terrorism" in article title

The justification for the current title was this: "The prime minister has acknoledged/confirmed that was Terrorists, and a Coordinated attack. Therefore this change in title is warranted".

I dispute that Tony Blair calling the event "terrorism" makes it NPOV. Many other groups, and probably millions of people throughout the world, do not consider the attacks to be terrorism. Other articles on Wikinews have consistantly used the terms "bombing" or "attack". I'd like to rename this article to "Coordinated bombing hits London" or similar. Since it has such a high profile I thought I'd call for comments first.

Note that I personally think that the attack was terrorism, but that doesn't mean the word should be included in an article title.

- Borofkin 23:56, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

COMMENT ON LONDON ATTACKS FROM USA(NEW YORK)

I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON HOW SAD IT IS THAT IN THE WORLD WE NOW LIVE IN WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL MAKE IT HOME TO SEE OUR LOVED ONES. I'M FROM NEW YORK AND THE LONDON ATTACKS BRING ALL OF SEPTEMBER 11 BACK AS THOUGH IT WERE YESTERDAY. WATCHING THE NEWS AND SEEING PEOPLE LIVE FALLING FROM THE TRADE TOWERS, THE FEAR AND COMPLETE DEVASTATION THESE ATTACKS HAVE BROUGHT TO THE WOR;D. I PRAY FOR THE FAMILIES OF THOSE WHOSE LIVES WERE LOST AND HOPE LONDONERS SUPPORT EACH OTHER. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAL BECAUSE YOU CAN NEVER TRULY FORGET SUCH A DAY. AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE THE MUSLIM FAITH WILL NOT BE TARGETED BECAUSE YOU CANNOT BLAME THE EVIL OF A FEW ON OTHERS WHO ARE JUST AS DEVASTED BY THESE ATTACKS. GOD BLESS AND I HOPE WE ALL LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE RACE OR RELIGON DO NOT MATTER. JUST THE PERSON AND THERE HEART

An apology for American news programming

Hi,

On behalf of a number of Americans, just want to not only send my greatest sympathies to all the Londoners and British reading, but deeply apologize for the heavy-handed, self-centered way that our media has been covering this issue. Jon Stewart's satirical "The Daily Show" aptly showed it the other night - including a clip in which Brit Hume callously chirped, "Time to buy". (A new low in American journalism - Edward Murrow would have fired him, if he'd been on the CBS news staff. At least Murrow appreciated how much you guys took during the WWII Blitz. I'm sorry that subsequent broadcasters seem to have ignored everything Murrow taught them about England.)

I'm sorry that our media seems more interested in stirring up fear about potential attacks in the US than covering how things are going for you folks. Please know that there are lots of us thinking of you all and feeling keenly how scary and ghastly this situation must be for those in London, especially the families of those hurt and killed.

Many of us are choosing to read BBC, blogs and updates here rather than watch or read American news websites, and are shocked and saddened by the number of missing still unaccounted for.

Please don't take our stupid, self-centered news shows to be the heartbeat of the average American, whatever their political outlook. You've been a good friend to us, even when half of us seemed to have lost our minds, Britain; bless you and may you keep safe.

Mz Von P

Thank you. Dan100 (Talk) 08:01, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

i also am very sorry

but i think to say we are not afraid is silly......how can you not be afraid. only a fool would say this. while i am afraid, NOTHING will keep me from living my normal life. God bless us all!!!!!

Im so sorry!!!!!!!

Why did this have to happen to us, as we try and pick up the pieces of our lives, lets stop and think of the people who died in this meaningless attack!!!!!!

May the people who did this rot in hell!!!!

This scum have just made London stronger!!!!!!

Lets not forget the lost!!!!!

R.I.P

Gareth Carter

COWARDS

I am a Londoner born and bred, and am determined that these cowards will not keep me out of my city,These cowards hide behind religion and say that they are doing this in the name of islam, what utter rubbish, nowhere does the islamic faith pursue the act of violence. People of many faiths and no faith at all have been murdered on our transport system, and we have now been informed that one of these cowardly fanatics has been employed as a teacher in our schools, is there noone checking what has been taught, and what is now being taught in the many impromptu mosques. How has this been allowed to happen in my city, possibly because we allow fanatics to rant in the streets comdeming the west whilst happily living on the support the western world provides. My sympathy goes to those who have lost loved ones, as a Londoner I am disgusted that this has been allowed to happen, as a Human being, I am heartbroken.

Susan Carter (london the greatest city in the world)

I would go to war with a Brit any day!!!

From an American soldier, I am truly sorry for the terrorist acts on London. I speaking as an American soldier, vow to help you find and hunt down those who are responsible. My thoughts are with you London.

mercantile/mecentary reaction to the London tragedy

The 'we'renotafraid.com' website has the "we're not afraid" theme emblazoned on t-shirts and gear available from 'cafepress.com'. Should United States' cotton be used as such a tasteless expression of noncomittal sales efforts?

Was it a Frame Up????

The question must be addressed by anyone who wants to make sure the real killers are brought to justice. The history of frame-ups by government cabals is not a "conspiracy theory"..it's just plain history. e.g. [[3]]... that ruse cost the lives of 68,000 American servicemen..then there is [[4]] and [[5]]. The point,in my opinion, is that the people,the voters, have to actually do some research and think about the story our governments put forth.

Now, here is the problem I have with el-Nashar being identified as the mastermind of a band of "clean skins". The known and agreed upon facts are; 1. this man is smart 2. this man has been in Egypt for some time 3. he denied being connected to the bombers and everyone who knows him finds it hard to believe 4. a pile of expolsive materials were found in his bathtub in London.

These 4 facts do not compute for me. A;If he is smart he wouldn't leave or have left the explosive crap in his bathtub unless he wanted to get caught. B;If he wanted to get caught, why deny what he did? C;Since he was in Egypt for so long there would have been lots of time to plant explosive crap in his bathtub. D;If he was a terrorist, why would he be teaching at a madrasa school? Isn't that like wearing "I'm a terrorist" flag?

Now finally, and this will require some research in order to confirm or refute, (unless one prefers to just resort to name-calling)Britain and the USA(and likely most governments) for 2 centuries have had foreign policies which include and embrace frame-ups in order to move their populations in a particular direction and or to obtain strategic positioning geographically.

For some inexplicable reason I read a book by Walter Russell Mead of the U.S. Council of Foreign Relations [[6]] titled "Special Providence: American Foreign Policy and How it Changed the World"[[7]] a book that showed how much of a mushroom I really am; a book which shows that not only do many western leaders know about and accept the war engineering and racial/religious/culteral hate engineering accomplished by frame-ups..they actually believe it is now America's duty to conquer the world and that the end justifies the means. Which explains to me..finally.."why are american troops in Iraq,Kuwait,S Korea,Saudi Arabia,Cuba etc.etc.etc." It's not because the american people want them to be there; it's because the people like Kerry and Bush and Mead want them to be there.

WHY??? Because it takes 2 to make a war;so you have to have an enemy; and the easiest way to make an enemy is to move next door and have a bunch of weapons pointed at his kids; imo. But, prove me wrong..read this f___ing book that Meade wrote; and see our western history in a brand new light. Paulrevere2005 20:21, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Protection

I'm protecting this article - I'm sure all typos have long been fixed, and we don't re-write old stories, so I'm protecting this to prevent vandalism and spamming. Dan100 (Talk) 12:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

bomb hit the buss in london street

{{FAC}}: passed.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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commons:Image:Russell square ushering.jpg has been deleted. --Darth Kule - Comlink 17:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Done --SVTCobra 23:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)