# User talk:Bawolff/archives/3

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## Browse

cool idea! second no-brainer we shld've thought of long back. (but then they're all no-brainers in retrospect :). why does the globe appear lopsided though? is this more insiduous anglo-american pov at work? :P If recreating this on another image is not too difficult, then we could do it with a larger image and a plain map/globe instead of the wikinews one. — Doldrums(talk) 06:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Its fairly easy to do. see http://tools.wikimedia.de/~dapete/ImageMapEdit/ImageMapEdit.html?en for an easy way to make them. Bawolff 06:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

## Archive?

Wow Bawolff... your talk page is getting quite long. Mabie it is time to archive? FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 00:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about doing that. (Its going to happen soon). Bawolff 00:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

## re: interwiki templates

interwiki templates

its great that your trying to improve stuff, but could you say on the talk pages what exactly they do? Bawolff 05:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

note I read the page on 'pedia, and I am still very confused as to what they do. Bawolff 05:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry didn't see this. Try W:Wikipedia:WikiProject template sharing and if that (draft status--will move to Meta when finished) doesn't ease your pain, drop me an email. (Fabartus --at-- comcast dot net) Gotta run! I was going to bed over an hour ago. Ha! //FrankB 06:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
ok. My main concern was that some of these seemed useless, but I was lumping it together with some other very useless stuff. Now I see this is separate, and quite probably useful [or at the very least they are not hurting anyone], so anyways, carry on. Also don't forget that if any of these templates were edited by people other then yourself, that you need to have correct copyright permissions. Bawolff 22:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

## Stupid bots

Well, the page you showed me was only created once along with User talk:FellowWikiNews/Guestbook/w/index.php?title=User:FellowWikiNews/Guestbook/w/index.php and User talk:FellowWikiNews/w/index.php?title=User:FellowWikiNews/w/index.php. The ips that are creating these pages are probably bots. So, yes... In this case I would add them to protected deletions. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 23:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually I don't think its bots. Why would someone make a bot to do that. Maybe a broken browser or something like that. Bawolff 23:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
see: [1] FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 23:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wonderful idea! This'll certainly help our procedures, and prevent further vandalisim. --Thunderhead - (talk) 00:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah I stole it from 'pedia. Bawolff 01:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Eh. Credit where credit is due. Good job taking that idea ;) --Thunderhead - (talk) 04:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. One thing I didn't manage to steal though is how they make their warning in wikipedia, the warning one you try to edit a page is much better then ours for cascading protected deletion. Bawolff 04:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a MediaWiki notice. See here to edit it. Wikipedia's should be here. --Thunderhead - (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
oh, I see, they use phaser functions to figure out why its protected. I was wondering how they did it without doing it for all cascaded protections. Bawolff 03:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

## Front page tweak

I'm very glad you think Wikinews' best deserves a front-line link. However, I noticed the "help" link on the front page now flows onto a second line on 1024x786. Might I suggest changing the text "Help with Breaking News" to "Report Breaking News"? This appears to fix the problem in both IE and Firefox. GreenReaper 06:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I'm using 1280x1024. Bawolff 06:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
So am I! I just got used to trying things out 1024 as well, because I know a lot of users are still stuck on it, and they complain at me if it doesn't work. ;-) WikiFur's top 5 are 1024x768 (47.32%), 1280x1024 (19.68%), 1280x800 (8.33%), 800x600 (6.53%) and 1152x864 (4.59%) - I'm guessing it's at least roughly the same for here). GreenReaper 06:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I have replied to your question on my talk page here. Thanks for getting in touch. --Nzgabriel | Talk 08:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

## Thanks

Bawolff,

Thanks for the heads up! I'll register an account when I get a chance to.

12.227.160.225 02:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

your welcome. By the way, if you're interested in css, and you're using firefox or opera you can also check out are alternative style sheets. (view→page style→selection). Theres also some other options in special:preferences for registered users. Bawolff 23:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

## Arizona Mortgage

I actually was not finished with the "Arizona Mortgages" article and was trying to unsubmit it. I had accidentally clicked to submit. Is there a way I could continue to edit it and then finally submit it later? --Diovi

[responded on your talk]. Bawolff 03:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

## Images discussion

Where is the discussion taking place?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Be specific, which image. Bawolff 23:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

## tigger image ( Image:Tigger looses stripes.jpg )

The source is nbc. Even though there is no alternative, I don't think we're allowed to use it as it comes from a competing news source. Bawolff 01:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I could source it to the raw, unedited clip on YouTube. It was originally reported by a Fox affiliate, and most papers haven't credited it to anybody. It was also used as police evidence in the case. -- Zanimum 18:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I geuss that's okay. Bawolff 23:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

## Soccer Portal

Hi there, I am interested in being the maintainer for the soccer portal here on Wikinews. I would be able to update it at least three times a week with current info on games around the world. Please get back to me, i would be glad to help out Wikinews in any way i could.
Dark Squall 19:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, i have a query pretaining to the portal. Every time i create the "Todays Matches" pages, must i cite the sources? all my sources are the same, so is there a way i cant just leave them out of the individual files, and have some sort of generalized source thing somewhere? thank youDark Squall 17:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Umm, I don't think so as its really just common information. Perhaps you should ask on the water cooler. Bawolff 22:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey there mate, i was just wondering about editing other things on the portal, such as the top news story. I tried looking in editing, but it only says "News lead" or something in those funky brackets {}. I'd just like to change the story to something more recent than Germany and Cyprus tying...Thanks :)Dark Squall 19:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

{{foo}} means to include stuff from other pages. So to edit the lead, edit Template:Football main leads. Bawolff 00:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

## Hi

thanks for the hello, I added comments to two Jehovah's WItnesses blood transfusion articles talk pages. George m 23:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I will keep an eye out for any new JW articles and try to give input on our view(s) thanks. George m 23:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear that. Bawolff 23:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

## Prodi's reisgnation

I answered you on Talk:Italy: President Napolitano dismisses Prodi's resignation. --Panairjdde 23:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

If you have time: Talk:In_depth:_XM_and_Sirius_merger. I can't figure out how to get this story off the Newsroom.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

## spot of OR

care for a spot of OR on this?  — Doldrums(talk) 14:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Well it all seem pretty well sourced to me. Theres a link after pretty much every statement. Bawolff 00:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
there're some interviews to be done.  — Doldrums(talk) 05:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

## Quickest Protection Yet

Wow ... you got Template:Office within the minuite. Nice work on RC :) --Thunderhead - (talk) 04:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Just happened to hit refresh at the right time. Bawolff 04:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Or did I just happen to hit save at just the right time? --Thunderhead - (talk) 05:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

## Ooooh.... pretty buttons....

 Thank you for your comment on my recent RfA! My RfA passed with a final tally of 12/0/1, and Cspurrier promoted me tonight. It feels great to have support from my fellow Wikinewsies. Thanks again for your support, and feel free to come to me if you need anything. Thanks! --Thunderhead - (talk) 23:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
you deserved it. Bawolff 23:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

## OS &CU

After the mild debate on ALERT, I have been bold and proposed this could you please have a look over, and sign if you agree Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 10:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

## NZ crown

Ok cheers for that - thanks.--MarkieTalk 13:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

## Contents Bar

Hey there, im wondering if there is a way to make a page so a contents bar will not be created. thank you—Dark Squall 00:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Not a 100% sure what you mean by contents bar, but if you mean table of contents, try writing `__NOTOC__` anywhere on the page (traditionally near the bottom with the categories). See m:Help:Magic Words#Magic_words_between_double_underscores for more information. Bawolff 01:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for not explaining it properly, my fault. You got it correct here, the notoc worked, thanks alot mate. If you would like to see what im working in, check out the soccer portal and look at the links directly below the banner (click the blue one obviously :P)—Dark Squall 01:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad i could help. Bawolff 01:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

## Alan Johnston picture...

Could you please wait on the deletion of the image of Alan Johnston. I am going to contact the BBC, through foi@bbc.co.uk. I will be absent from Thursday evening until Monday, so could you please wait until then?

Cheers,

Booksworm 06:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Little too late now, but if you can successfully get permission, I will make sure it gets restored. Bawolff 00:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bawolff -- I saw your comment on my blog. My first reaction was to respond in hope of eliciting information about how to "manage" those folks. However, it took me only a few brief moments to realize that the Wikinews community is not well known to other groups contributing to Wikimedia projects. (Well, okay: not well known to people in en.wikipedia like yours truly.) Any thought about writing something to introduce Wikinews to the rest of us? I know the folks behind the Signpost are always looking for material. -- en:llywrch 17:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

that is a idea, put a report in the signpost Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 19:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I would certainly be willing to assist in such an effort, however I think for something like that should be made by the community as a whole. Bawolff 00:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

## RE: Alledgedly...

Glad you liked it. I actually set that up as a varient to use on April 1st. You see, I'm going to replace the Mediawiki default version of the Main Page, so when users visit http://en.wikinews.org, they'll be redirected to the Alleged Main Page. This'll maintain all the vital information, while adding a ... twist. :) 00:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

You rock. Any chance I could coerce...er...convince you to create a baseball template in the same manner? :)-- Theirishpianist 01:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

sorry, I sort of have to go right now, and unfortunately I'll be away for the next couple of days, but one I get back sure. (assuming nobody's beat me too it). Bawolff 01:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

## Dynamic content

When you have some time can you look into why the dynamic content on the front page is all showing expanded. I don't know if that is a css or javascript problem, or a combination of the two. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking. last time this happened it was a js problem. Seeing as alt stylesheets, and rss link also stopped, probably js. Bawolff 22:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Fixed there was a missing /* when the comment tab code was inserted. you will need to do a hard refresh. (ctrl+r in Firefox). Bawolff 22:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

## comment tab on talk:main page

I had to delete Talk:Main Page/Comments. Could you please remove it from talk:main page? Thanks. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 02:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually just (hopefully) did that. Bawolff 02:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thanks. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 02:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

## Punctuation

Hi, on the header of the "Add a new opinion" pages, there should not be an apostrophe in the "use it's normal talk page" text. I haven't a clue what or where that template is so can't fix it myself! Dan100 (Talk) 22:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I always seem to mix those up. the template is at Wikinews:Commentary pages on news events/intro. You can tell by the &editintro=Wikinews:Commentary_pages_on_news_events/intro in the url. Bawolff 22:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

## Cat:Social sciences...

...was deleted some time ago... Would you be able to think of a better name for this category? Note that we already have Category:Society.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't think of any. Bawolff 22:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

## Wikinews:Commentary pages on news events

I am trying to leave comments on many articles, just to try and see if the system works, and try and encourage other users to use them ;) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

## Quebec veils story

Your spiderman comment inspired me to create something: Image:Spiderman joke.jpg. Enjoy :) FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 00:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you that's great. Bawolff 00:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 00:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hope the move works better this time, but can you check tis one to be on the safe side?

UK sources say British sailors detained by Iran to be tried for "espionage"/Comment

maybe no need as the page was epmpty? international 19:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

You only need to do it if the page exists. If it doesn't exist, don't worry about moving it. Perhaps we should get a bot for this. Its going to cause lots of confussion. Bawolff 00:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

## RE Deletion

Its a talk page with no article to go with it.?.?.? DragonFire1024 05:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually it does, sort of. See Wikinews:Commentary pages on news events. Javascript isn't anywhere near perfect yet, so it just appears that it doesn't have an article. Bawolff 06:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I noticed that when the actual talk page was created. Just so used to non existent talk pages referring to a web page which turn out to be spam. DragonFire1024 08:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok. Bawolff 08:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

## WN:IB

nice, ok im working on it, but how do we set it so that the middle column always centers the infoboxes? the infoboxes are aligned to the right side of the middle column, not the center hehe (:O) Nima Baghaei 16:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can (eaily), as the infobox is coded to float to the left. Good work with the infoboxes Bawolff 21:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

## comment tabs

Hey Bawolff. Could you make the comment tabs red when they have no comments and blue when they do have comments? Or could you put "Add opinion" when they have no comments and "View opinions" when they do have comments? I think it would make more sense to do this. FellowWikiNewsie (sign here!) 23:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes it would. Unfourtanatly that is way beyond my js skills. It might be possible by adding a #ifexist to the publish template, but I don't know if that's a good idea (well actually it might be okay. unsure). It also could be done by making javascript that tries to access the comment page to see if it exists, but that also is not a good idea, because it effectively doubles the number of hits (Really bad idea, and also beyond my skill level). I think first thing I should figure out how to do is to make the comment/article tab link back to the proper place when pressing article/discussion. Bawolff 00:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

## Mediawiki:Sitenotice

Does that belong in the Sitenotice? I figured it was important enough that the community should know. Cheers, 00:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ugh, badness. (I think its well intentioned, but not good for wikinews (Good for other projects), and contradictory to our current image policy) Its good for pretty much every other project) Yes probably it should be there. That's going to be a big job. (somewhere between about 2000 images (out of 2500) (on a stricter reading) to every image improperly tagged, and everything tagged with {{pgol}} {{gol image}} {{non-com}} {{cc-by-nd-2.5}} {{Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0}} {{Cc-by-nd-2.0}} on a more interpitave reading of that policy. Bawolff 01:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, 2500 images... then removing them from articles ... uuuughhhh... 01:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
no, just 2000 i think. theres a good 500 okay ones. We should wait before deleting anything but really obvious, images, just to make sure i read it right. Bawolff 01:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Still, it's gonna be a huge job. I haven't really studied the new policy, I just saw "New image policy" on the Foundation's site, and I jumped on it. 01:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Well at least we have a year, so we can hopefully fix most of them. It might be much less if we don't need to create individual arguments for their use. Bawolff 02:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

## My Images

I am against the new policy. My images were uploaded before it took affect therefore should not be affected. As the copyright holder, I have the right to choose what license I want to use and I was given the choice to use that particular license. If they did not want images with that license, then they should not have given me the option to do so. I have already stated that if a liscense like the current one is not available, I will delete my images before they need to be. Many of my images are 100% exclusive to Wikinews and not anywhere else. If they are not on here then I don't want them anywhere including commons. I refuse to have my images, if not required to be on commons.

I also believe that this is why this policy was enacted, without the community's approval as such policies are supposed to be and because commons is jealous that some content is not on their Wiki. Tough luck, maybe if they changed their attitude I may reconsider.

As to this image, here is what the articles author said: [2]. I was not sure what license to use as she said its not copyrighted. DragonFire1024 00:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)::I agree with you (about not applying to retroactive images, and you having a choice as to how to license them, which is entirely your own, However commons being jealous is unlikely in my opinion. I think the push came from the english wikipedia, and general free media advocates in wikimedia [many of whom are commoners] It doesn't help commons any). As far as the image in question goes, sorry I forgot to check the talk page, my fault. Bawolff 03:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem...it probably should be on commons, but at the time I had no time and just did it quickly.

Thanks for agreeing with me in that matter. Im sorry it's just that this is where I want MY content to be. I could go as far as saying: Maybe Indymedia might like it better? DragonFire1024 03:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

ok. Bawolff 04:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I understood what you meant...all my images were uploaded before this even came into effect. DragonFire1024 04:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Not really sure, they are uploaded locally on 'pedia and some/one of them are screen shots of wikipeida therefore not fair use (as it is now - can't understand the new jargon) so uploaded them locally here. If you think that they can go on commons then i will move them - it's just ive only ever uploaded one or two pics to commons and i think they've both been deleted. --MarkTalk 08:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

oh yeah, forgot about that image. still you say they're ok here. i presume thats until this new policy is introduced yeah?--MarkTalk 15:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
No, the new policy has nothing to do with what we are talking about and won't affect it. (however are old policy does, but no one follows that anyways). Bawolff 19:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Right so it doesnt come under the "EDP" whatever that is then? SO i could move these to commons and try my luck with them (see how fast they can delete them).--MarkTalk 19:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
No, EDP is just a fancy word for policy for stuff to do with fair use in USA, fair dealing in coomonwealth nations. I'll watch the images there to make sure they arn't deleted. Also make sure you add them to a category (you'd have to make a new one) such as Wikimedia ads. For pd ones use tag {{pd-user-w|en|w|Qxz}} for screenshot can't remember exact tag but put
```on it.</nowiki> Bawolff ☺☻ 19:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
```
Right thanks for this - lets see how it goes!--MarkTalk 20:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Right there uploaded and have been for over 5 mins (success) - dont think there tagged correctly but my commons knowledge is not too good. If you have a spare moment could you check them please. Contribs are here. Cheers --MarkTalk 20:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I fixed the tags. they should be good. They are all on my watchlist, so if anything happens I should know. Bawolff 22:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

## Hi

Hi! Andrevan 07:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

hello. Bawolff 07:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

## About Italian Wikipedia separates from Wikimedia Foundation

I can confirm it was a joke: I wrote about it in Wikinews irc-chan, adding that I would have asked to someone to write a joke similar to La Wikipedia in lingua italiana decide di forkare. ^_^ Ciao! --Tooby 16:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

ok. Bawolff 22:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

## re: issue you noticed with comments

Speaking from my experience, it seems that anonymous IP users are not presented with the new 'view opinions' tab, so therefore cannot participate unless they have a user account. However, it is possible to post anonymously, i.e. here and other 'view opinion' pages. I would think that unlogged users would be able to see the comment pages.

What we have with the 'discussion' tab is red text if no content exists in the tab. That is not the case with the 'view opinions' tab, it is blue by default (so checking it may lead to a page that has no content, which is a waste of time). Also, once loading the page 'view opinions' the 'article' tab appears in red text. If you click the red text 'article' tab, it loads a page with no content.

This what I meant when saying earlier that, "The click stream is wrong." My browser is MSN v.9.

I am encouraged by the little bit of use the interface is getting. Best regards -Edbrown05 00:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh I thought you meant something else. Not sure what you're talking about with anons, they should have the same tabs we do. Bawolff 01:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

## Javascript

I've been having a hack at the dynamic sections javascript. Mainly because I'd like to fix an annoying feature of having the topical section boxes on the main page.

Essentially I want to duplicate the ability to show/hide a section, but if you show one section any other open ones are collapsed.

If you can suggest any tools to debug javascript with (Windows based) then I'll have another crack at it. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I just got back, so I have a lot to look at at the moment, but I'll try to have a peak at that soon (peek might not be very sucessful though, as I'm quite new to javascript). As for debug tools, I've never used it, but firebug is supposed to be good (requires firefox). Bawolff 19:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I've got Firebug now, but I think to do this myself I'd need to go learn Javascript. My level with it at the moment is I can read and understand some but not all. However, I've been pestering lots of people for this feature. :-) --Brian McNeil / talk 19:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

## Wikinews Video Edition

Hey Bawolff,

I saw you commented on he idea of having wikinews video. I have created a really good opener (the audio is from sky news UK/Australia)

I spent heaps of time on the graphics so, drop me a line on my talk page and tell me what you think.

The video is located at http://www.symode09.spaces.live.com/

thanx

--Symode09 07:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

One last question, with the graphics (ticker clock etc), would you like them with corners and square (more traditional) or curved and round (my preference but, some people don't like these types of graphics)?

--Symode09 09:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Just watched. Looks nice. I'm unsure about the graphics (round vs square) thing though. Can you shome an example? Bawolff 19:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

## Video Wikinews

Hey Bawloff,

I see you are interested in the video wikinews. You might want to "enlist" with us.

thanx :P

Symode09 14:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

## AWB

I see that you've granted AWB requests in the past. I'd like to ask you to begin watching this page, which is where new AWB requests should go. Thanks! 20:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Watching, but I never use my watchlist on this project. Bawolff 21:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

## Template: 2007 Stanley Cup Playoffs

That's great. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. --wjmoore 01:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome, glad I could help. Bawolff 02:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

## Background

Hi Bawolff. May I please ask for your assistance with Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#Background. I am requesting the background of Wikinews to become the standard "grey-gradient" (see [3] or [4]). Can this be fixed, as soon as possible, as at current there is no easy distinction for the eye, for where there is a background or a news article. Also, all other wiki sites use the "grey-gradient" as default, so this will add a bit of consistancy. Thanks. Stickeylabel 10:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

## wikiversity

see: [5] [6] (wikinews is listed there with an update) DragonFire1024 17:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Bawolff,

You might wanna see the poll (and my latest comment) http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Poll:_Allow_an_embedded_Player%3F

thanx--Symode09 01:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes I saw. I'm watching the live RC on IRC. Bawolff 01:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

What happened, is the opinions/comments tab "out" again? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edbrown05 (talkcontribs)

nope, they are still there. I do plan to remove them at the end of this month through. We I readded them; I planned it as a test. I would like to see community support (even if that means a poll) to keep them in. (and I would support keeping them, but I feel it’s good to follow procedure like this) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Well the reason that I asked is because the 'view opinions' tab on the Jimbo Wales to lead development of 'code of conduct' for bloggers at one time did contain content. Now it is empty. How could that be possible? -Edbrown05 06:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Because, who ever moved that article, did not move the comments page as well. (see Talk:Jimbo Wales to create 'code of conduct' for bloggers and the Wikimedia Foundation/Comments Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Fixed Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
No, it is not "fixed" (what a monster that coding must be). -Edbrown05 06:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, its fixed. It is not a coding issue. Eloquence moved the article. However he did not move the Comment's page at the same time. Despite the clear instructions, to move Comments pages as well. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I can certainly forgive Eoquence of that. I did not know you had to manually move the 'Comments' page (now I do, thanks). You do not have to manually move the 'Talk' page, it happens by default when you 'Rename' an article.
You make mention of procedure. I understand there is some disagreement or even controvery surrounding the 'add opinion' tab. How would that issue be settled? -Edbrown05 07:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that is one fault we having Comments in JS. (After a page move, there is a part saying that if this link is blue, you need no move that page as well, however)
I am suggesting we have a poll at the end of this month. Along the lines of "Do you support the continuation of the Comments” etc Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 07:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Couldn't we submit a request to bugzilla to have a new namespace created as a sub of the main, so that it would be automatically moved? 07:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I support the idea of having comments, and as Thunderhead says it should be a namespace that is linked to Main. You should be able to have a link to the page, [[Comment:PAGENAME|Comment or leave your opinion on this story]], and no need to worry about page moves there either. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I too think the new ns would be a good idea. Bawolff 16:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

## Video content

See here, can we have the Java player like commons does? --Brian McNeil / talk 12:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

After testing it, apperently not. I'm sure if you asked commons:User:Gmaxwell he'd be able to make it so you could. why do we need the java player locally anyways? Bawolff 16:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

## Spelling Conventions

Hi, I have a question regarding spelling conventions. What is standard practice in choosing between AMerican style and English style English. I'm looking atHorse_racing:_Silver_Birch_wins_the_2007_Grand_National. specifically the word "favourite" would it be appropiate for me to change it to "favorite" or keep it how it is? Thanks? Ycanneh 21:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Umm i think it was we use the variant of whoever started the article. So if it started with British English, we do the article as British en, if it started as en-us, we keep it at that. see WN:SG#Spelling for more details. Bawolff 21:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Ycanneh 21:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

If you mean Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Planet osiris, I already had my say there.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

## Re: No to NHL on Front Page

Who were you addressing about the soccer/football tournament? The user with the IP address or me? Or were you just bringing it to my attention? I did see the comment on the main talk page. I don't think that there are any big soccer tournaments going on now anyway... . --wjmoore 02:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The ip. Bawolff 03:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

## bold edit

yeah, I thought @import had something to do with it. but i changed my and and removed it, as I knew it would be opposed :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, i wish i was bold when it was first created and added it, now thier are too many people who I know dislike it to justify adding it (in my mind at least). Bawolff 03:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Yep, agreed. What ever happens, I'll be sticking to using it. As not only (imo) is it nice, it is easier to read as well. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

## javascript

Try user:Ycanneh/monobook.js (as oposed to user talk:). By the way the stuff in mine does didly squat, and is really not that useful if you're wondering. The top half only allows you to open one show/hide dynamic box in a page at a time. the bottom half is me experimenting with the comment tab, and is supposed to be commented out, since its now in the sitewide js, but isn't because i'm lazy. Bawolff 21:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ya, thanks. I'll probally just go w/out it anyway. Over on WIkipedia I use some stuff, but changes dont seem to go too fast here anyway to the point that I would need any shortcuts or anything. Ycanneh 17:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

## JS

Excellent! just what we were after! Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

btw, I'm off for a week, hoilday ;) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm doing too many js things. which one are you refering to? Bawolff 21:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
onebox Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Good, glad i can help. Bawolff 21:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

## User:Bawolff/Sandbox/superportal

What does it do? FellowWikiNewsie 00:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

responded on your talk. Bawolff 00:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
that is cool as well. I can foresee that having benefits, perhaps on a mainpage redesign. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 01:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I plan on making it much cooler (perhaps to the point of a bad imitation of http://google.com/ig ) Bawolff 01:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It still doesn't work. FellowWikiNewsie 18:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I did do a hard refresh. I'm using the Datrio+MrM skin. FellowWikiNewsie 19:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
It apparently has problems in IE. (I have no idea why, but I plan to look into it when i get a chance). If you're not using MSIE, i have no idea why it isn't working. Bawolff 23:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

## Supposed vandalism

Hello,

Further vandalism will result in a 24 hour ban. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. Bawolff 04:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

What of my editting do you consider vandalism? Is it this?: http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Astronaut_to_face_attempted_murder_charge&diff=prev&oldid=373484
That information is true if you look it up, you will see this. I don't edit Wikinews that often. I am on Wikipedia more often. --Kalmia 03:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I made a mistake. Bawolff 23:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

## EDP image list

Yeah feel free to edit these pages - wasnt planning on doining everything for myself.--MarkTalk 10:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Bawolff 17:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

## Virgina tech

Hey Bawolff! Can you please help me!!! Would you be able to find out who I should contact at Virginia tech in regards to media interviews/ questions. My internet asdl is screwed up (danm lighning surge) and I just got my PC back from getting vista installed - now things are 20 X slower.

thanks PS. I'll tell you a story! There once was a wikinews user who never archived his page. It is you!!! —Symode09 13:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry i have absolutly no idea where to find that. By the way, see my real talk page Bawolff 07:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
p.s., trust the penguin...

## Thanks for the Welcome

Bawolff, thanks for the welcome on my Talk page. Yeah, I'm using the Datrio CSS skin so far and I think it's great. Maybe it's my personal preference, but it looks phenomenal... lovin' the layout so far.ContemplativeInAction 23:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

That's good (now if only I could convince the rest of the site to make it default...). By the way i belive you're using Datrio+MrM, not plain Datrio (couple differences, mostly with background). Bawolff 02:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Unprotection

Hey, just a small favor. Could you unprotect the categories at User:Zachary/Sandbox so I can update them with the CalendarBot? Thanks, —Zachary talk 02:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Is semi-protection okay? Bawolff 02:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Australian Princess gives birth to daughter

Regarding your comment on Talk:Australian Princess gives birth to daughter.:

This was an article that I found in the disputed section of the Newsroom. Meanwhile, I had put together a piece on this same subject in Wikinews Shorts: April 23, 2007. So, I first created a redirect to the shorts, but since the disputed article had never been published, I thought it ought to be deleted. Maybe the steps I took were not proper, but they were with the best of intentions. --SVTCobra 03:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry, those are totally the correct steps. I'm just not really sure the need of deleting the redirect. We generally keep redirects unless there is a really good reason not to (aka stuff on wheels). Bawolff 22:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## you are right

Hi you posted on my page that person really wasn't being serious I dont think.

Emmi

I'd recomend you just ignore him. Happy editing. Bawolff 23:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Emmi 23:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

## r u bored?

Shilpa Sheedy category? are you serious? --SVTCobra 02:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Well... We have categories for people with less articles. Bawolff 02:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
You didn't answer the question? And it's "fewer articles." Sniff, sniff do I detect alcohol on your breath? --SVTCobra 02:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll go with bored. But i'd like to point out Category:Ed Stelmach with a whopping 2 articles. Bawolff 02:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
But we may have more articles about Stelmach in the future. FellowWikiNewsie 02:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
You've stirred the pot, Bawolff.--SVTCobra 02:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Well he could always really screw up, and the Marxist-lenist party could steal the next election (maybe with a merger from the albertan greens!) Bawolff   02:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Ah ha! I said something so stupid, that nobody had a response to it! Bawolff 02:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's okay if you delete it, but if we get more articles about him I think we would have to re-create it again. Also, Category:Justin Trudeau only has one article! Mabie we should consider deleting that too! FellowWikiNewsie 02:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
oh no, i like categories (plus Justin Trudeau is definitly going to have more articles, if he screws up or not). I'm just trying to justify my creation of a category with only 4 articles. Bawolff 02:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay. FellowWikiNewsie 02:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

## need image help

I did what I supposed should be called a reproduction of RHakeem's Image:Nwfpmap.png map and uploaded it to Commons as Image:NWFP and FATA.jpg.

Here are the troubles:

1. the image is in the .jpg format, rather than .png
2. the 'full resolution' size of the file is a whopping 1.96MB file

I don't know how to fix either of these issues. Frankly, even if I could figure it out, I would rather not, since I've had it up to my chin in dealing with the map to get it where it is now! Can you make changes you see fit, even its Commons category, to get it consistent with standard usage? -Edbrown05 23:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll try (I've personally haven't done much of actual converting images, but i think I know the basic idea). However I'm a little busy right now, so i hope its okay if I start on it tommorow? Bawolff 03:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for any help. I'm hoping to soon wrap up the interview where this map is placed. -Edbrown05 17:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Ed: I have converted the map to .png and sent it to your email, it is a large size, so if your IP rejects it based on size, pls let me know where to upload it to Wiki. --RHakeem 19:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

By the way, you (RHakeem) should send an email to mailto:permissions@wikimedia.org so that we have a record of your permission for us to use your image (commons is a bit strict on that). Bawolff 22:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay, my first attempt didn't work that well — Image:Map showing NWFP and FATA.png. Trying again soon. Bawolff 23:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I did get the emailed attachment from RHakeem in the .png file format. The file size of the image in that attachment was around 5MB! Okay, now that I have the proper file extention, how does one make the resolution render to about 1300px X 1200px or whatever? -Edbrown05 06:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Good. Upload over top of commons:image:Map showing NWFP and FATA.png, and mediawiki will automatically take care of the resizing. Bawolff 01:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

## Original work

Re: Image:Delta before after.png – The original work was the taking of the actual screenshot (it does not include the entire window, but only the relevant parts of the Web site) as well as finding and laying out the logos along with the sites below. It is an illustration, and that is the original work that took place. Though these images are effectively copyrighted and used under fair use, their arrangement and display is my original work, and I'd like to be credited for it if someone decides to copy the image wholesale. --Omaryak 05:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Well okayWell maybe okay, i'm not sure if thats valid considering they're fair use. (never been really good at figuring out this whole copyright thing). Bawolff 05:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

## Thank you

${\displaystyle {\color {Blue}{\mathfrak {Wikinews}}}:{\color {Sepia}The\;Free\;News\;Source}}$

Notice of Appreciation

Thank you for creating this neat thank you card! :P —Zachary talk 01:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. It was mostly me trying to turn a useless thing, into something semi-useful. Bawolff 02:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Bawolff, you need to check the spelling of "appreciation"! Cheers, Jcart1534 02:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
lol. I even have a spell checker in browser. Bawolff 03:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
No sweat! Looks good now. Nice job on the award! Jcart1534 10:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey mate, just wanted to say, the only reason I applied while being so new is because it said work on other wikimedia projects counts, and I've done a good bit at wikipedia. But hey, its cool. The people I want to cover/get to are medium level people, most field grade officers in the military, and to be allowed to cover local brigade events, which always requires accreditation. (not quite Steven Harper, but also not the local kwikemart owner) anyways, just wanted to explain why such a newbi was requesting it, and thanks for showing an intrest in supporting me later on if I am not successful this time around.

Well that is true, but you generally have to have a lot of other project stuff to be able to get accredited by that. Its just that in general, people who request it when they are so new (not always, but often) stay for about 2 weeks, get bored, and then leave. However If you keep going in the direction you're going, I'll definitly support you in the future. Bawolff 04:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

## Re: interesting citizen journalism article

Why did you think it was interesting?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I just find different view points intresting. However it would have been much more intresting if they talked about wikinews. Also I kind of wanted to spred the message around, as no one read wikinews-l (although the message I posted kind of lost the meaning of the mailing list post). Bawolff 10:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

## Disclosure

I am a student however - that was a simple example but, I have made an agreement in the past with them :)

Symode09 11:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, your agreement was to give them all your money in exchange for a mediocre operating system and office suite. —Zachary talk 11:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Lol. Bawolff 21:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

## IRC ASAP!

Hey! can you go on the IRC asap, i just want to talk to you before I go thanx Symode09 14:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I missed you. I'm on irc right now. Bawolff 22:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

## how can this piece of code become more specialized?

Meaning, can it be made into a robot that crawls through Wikinews, grabs 'regions' and 'people' links and assigns them to the appropriate category/portal pages? -Edbrown05 08:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm, I'm not really sure what you mean, but probably no. it can only make templates that do certain things based on arguments or variables. See meta:ParserFunctions for more on them. Bawolff 22:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

DragonFire1024 had an image that was deleted on Commons; from a project funded by NASA, but with a NC clause in the license on the site. I wasn't going to wait six weeks for Commons to adapt their {{NASA}} template and accept the image.

This is an example of why people here don't like working with Commons. They left one of our articles with a redlink, the one about the supernova - and that visually relied on the picture for impact.

I'm sick of them believing - and operating - on the principle of better to delete than contact the (newbie - about to be put off using Commons) uploader for further information. That behaviour was supposed to have stopped. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I also added a CC SA 2.5, GFDL combo to relicense my EDP request images. It took a while, but I do not trust them on commons as far as I can throw them. DragonFire1024 08:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Um NC license clauses would be deleted both here and commons (for here, courtsey of the foundation resolution). We delete copyvio articles, why wouldn't they delete copyvio images. Commons has not non-legentmently deleted an image that was used here in a good year. Bawolff 23:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

## Participatory journalism on mailing list

Actually she asked to wait until the assignment is over, then she will post it on a user subpage. So I've removed the link in your comment, hope that's ok.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 14:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

oh ok. Bawolff 22:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

## Alan J

The image i uploaded was (i think) from a news article but the image is also used (in a modified form) on the BBC blog campaign where they want people to but the image on their blog (kinda publiciity i think) but i didnt use this image as its got text on it. Blog article is here. Cheers for the help.--MarkTalk 08:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I have emailed the BBC press office asking for an image we can use under CC or Fair use. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I have a response from Iain MacDougall at the Picture desk, I've put the text of the email on the picture, can you work out what license text should then be on it to go with this? My inference from the email is they want people to use the image to promote the man's plight. You can also - for future reference - file pictures<at>bbc<dot>co<dot>uk away as the email address to request photo permission from the Beeb, the impression I got from my response is they'd be pretty relaxed about it - they responded quickly and treated my inquiry as being from a journalist. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

## Am I allowed to make articles about these topics.

w:Rajinikanth and w:Sivaji: The Boss or any other w:Tamil cinema stars? I read all the guidelines but they still don't answer my question.

I am w:User:Vagish.

~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 14:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

## Re: WN:HOTLINE

I want to update the hotline a bit and try and revive its' use. It's a fantastic way for people to contribute without writing, or whilst out in the field. --Skenmy(tcwi) 16:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

responded on your talk. Bawolff 21:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

## Wikinews Video

Heya!

I see you have previously shown some interest in Wikinews Video Edition and, need your help. As you may already know, the projet is is need of assistance - we have finished all the graphics and need to start actually brainstorming ideas for the first news story. We will cover one news story and, will cover it with much depth - the story will go for 15-20 minutes. We are looking for something which is not of direct interest to the media (ie. tax increases or politics) but rather, a heartfelt or deep story. Could you please help to collaborate and brainstorm here.

thanx, USer:symode09

## Wikinews:Commons categories

Hi Bawolff, I don't think this is policy handed down in any official way. User:Mac has been adding templates and stuff like this from other wikiprojects, often with dead links and such. Not sure who should look into the activities of Mac. --SVTCobra 20:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes I know. Thats my problem with the thing. Bawolff 22:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

## IRC for Private Request

Can you get on IRC for a moment? 22:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll try, but my internet is having intermitant problems so I might not be their for too long. Bawolff 22:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

## dr

cheers, wasnt sure how long it should be. --MarkTalk 19:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well it doesn't really matter for those ones as we know what the resualt will be, but technically, articles 3days, everything else 7. Bawolff 22:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

## Re: status changer

Thanks :) Currently it's not working for me so I'll have to experiment a bit later when I have some time. FellowWikiNewsie 22:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

## Very Very Important

I left this at the watercooler but since you are very active I wanted to tip you off so you can tell other admins. VERY IMPORTANT! Do not ban IP 66.230.200.145 if he does vandalism. On Wikipedia it says it doing so will lock out every editor for a brief period of time until the developers fix whatever bug is causing the squid problems. Just giving a heads up that something is buggy with Wikipedia and be careful.

## Re: you're back (a little bit anyway)

Actually, I probably could have stayed away. However, I got bored in French class, so I decided to visit Wikinews, and for the hell of it, I logged back in and made an edit. MR 19:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

You recently deleted the wikipedia ads saying: creator/original uploader req; belongs on enwiki, not commons. Well they are free content, and we're using them on the english wikinews (not all of them all enwiki specific), why shouldn't they be at commons. Bawolff 03:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. While I don't have any problem with you using the ads on projects other than Wikipedia, can we try to organize things a little better? As uploader of the images I would have appreciated being notified that they were about to be deleted from Wikipedia, but I was not. When I found that files had been moved without regard for this, or preservation of the description page, and with no apparent reason for the move, I asked for them to be moved back.
Thankyou for responding. I'm glad you're okay with me re-uploading them. As for them being deleted, that is what the english wikipedia admins did. They deemed that it fell under the speedy deletion policy, and I have no control over that, you'll have to take it up with them. I did not request their deletion, I only noted that there was a version on commons. I believe everything was correctly tagged on commons, and linked back to the template. (however I uploaded them a while ago, so I don't 100% remember.) If that is not true, I'm sorry about that. I assure you that we are not misusing them in any way (to my knowledge). Sorry for all the confusion and happy editing. Bawolff 21:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

## Budapest

I think the category:Budapest is not problem to you, because u didn't do it. I hope I just helped to you.--Kádár Tamás 09:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

My problem is that there is no news for it. Portals/categories for things that are not countries need articles on them before creation. Bawolff 18:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

## IRC cloak request

I am bawolff on freenode and I would like the cloak wikinews/Bawolff. Thanks. --Bawolff 05:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

## Notice of Appreciation

I based this template on your card - hope you don't mind :p

Not at all. Template looks great. Bawolff 19:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

## New page

It is hard to see a page created by you in the recent times. Can you give me any one ?. Regards.--Mac 09:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Define page. (article, or any page including things like templates?). However I mostly concentrate on non-writing tasks so my new page creation is lower then most people. Bawolff 19:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

## Re: template:abandoned

I deleted deprected beside template:abandoned. I think both ways are okay...`{{subst:aband}}` automatically puts the date for you, `{{abandoned|May 20, 2007}}` doesn't. Please see my edits. FellowWikiNewsie 19:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that sounds good. Bawolff 19:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

## I repeat

Main page. Main page. It's only the main page I want to redesign. MR 13:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thats what they all say . Bawolff 20:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

## IRC

Your wish = my command! Please see this for the brand spanking new advanced version. Cheers --MarkTalk 09:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks good (Well in lynx anyway, the rest of the world is looking at it totally differently, but I'm sure it looks great in graphical browsers too (: Bawolff 20:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Also now have this java version - havent finished the instructions and prettiness of it yet but also to let you know. --MarkTalk 21:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

## Expandable tables

Hello! I had a chat with brianmc and DragonFire1024 on IRC channel #wikinews-en requesting help to add the feature of expandable tables to a corporate media wiki. brianmc suggested I might ask you. I would really appreciate it. --Bensin 23:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'd love to help. Can you be a bit more specific about what you mean by expandable tables? Bawolff 20:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

## Thanks for the welcome

Just a note of thanks. OK, so I know it's a varient on the standard welcome template I've stuck on dozens of Wikipedia newbie's talk pages, but I allways really apreciated those few who made the effort to work out how to say thanks (especialy considering it took me so long to work it out that the time to say thanks in was ong-gone - something I cared little about then but have come to regret). Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 22:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Its fun to {{subst:hello}} everywhere  . Anyways, if you ever need any help with anything (which you probably won't that much as you seem experianced), don't hesitate to ask. Also, consider using IRC, We use IRC here quite a lot. Bawolff 22:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Makes sense that you should use more IRC here then on the 'pedia - the 24 hours difference a time zone can make is a long time news-wise. I'll call if I need anything ;-) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 22:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, Happy editing. Bawolff 22:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah! Thanks for clearing that up, I hadn't even noticed! Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 23:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Bawolff 23:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

## Category:Oceans, Category:Water

These look like encyclopedic cat's to me. Cat:Oceans is only used on one article, Cat:Water on two. What do you think? FellowWikiNewsie 00:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Its on the edge I admit, but lots of bad things can happen with Water as well as Oceans. Things like drinking water contamination, etc is news, similarly Poaching in Oceans is news, all the greenpeace protests in the oceans is news, the Jappenese whaling stuff happened in the oceans is news. Bawolff 00:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree. But mabie we could change Cat:Water to Cat:Contamination or something that doesn't sound encyclopedic? FellowWikiNewsie 00:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes cat water does sound like a horrid name to me, but you don't want anything to specific (especially considering the current pop of the cat.) Bawolff 00:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
But then again there is lots of water articles [7] everything from water on mars to great lake water level falling, to boil water adviseries. So the question is, is a cat with all things water useful to a news source Bawolff 00:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

## Template help needed

Hi,

could you edit Template:Image lead so that if you don't list a "full_story" (leave the parameter empty), it doesn't return anything in Template:Featured picture (if you understand what I'm saying...).

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Did I do what you meant? Bawolff 20:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

## CGI:IRC javascript

Hmm dont think it can be used here - is under GFDL as shown here. Sorry --MarkTalk 21:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

oh well thats okay, it is not that important. Bawolff 21:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

## Can't change tag on my user picture

I didn't take the photo, so I don't own the copyright. --Munchkinguy 03:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

responded on your talk. Bawolff 22:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)