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Dispute resolution with Mrmiscellanious

Hi Jason.... informal dispute resolution was attempted with MrM four weeks ago. This is basically where all parties of a dispute make a statement, then respond to other statements, the community provides input, and everybody works together to try and achieve consensus on a resolution. Dispute resolution is not a formal process, and there are no sanctions, it is just where the community comes together to discuss something that has become a problem. Mrmiscellanious refused to participate. Prior to that the dispute simmered for months, with numerous attempts to find a solution on talk pages, water cooler, WN:ALERT, etc. Cartman only resorted to the Arbcon when Mrmiscellanious erected a brick-wall between himself and the community, refusing to speak to anyone about problems that were obvious to all. I agree that Arbcon is less than ideal, but I see no other options. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions or comments about this. - Borofkin 01:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jason... so do you acknowledge that significant attempts at community-based dispute resolution were made prior to the problem being brought to the Arbcon? People keep repeating this, but you don't seem to have addressed it. - Borofkin 01:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Jason. I didn't ask if you were aware of the issue, or if arbcon should be allowed to de-admin, or any of the other things you have said on my talk page. I realise that the first you heard of this dispute was when it appeared on Arbcon. I realise that you don't support Arbcon, and I realise that you think that Arbcon should not be permitted to de-admin a user. My question was very specific: do you acknowledge that significant attempts at community-based dispute resolution were made prior to the problem being brought to the Arbcon? - Borofkin 02:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. So my question now is: what else should have been done, besides Wikinews:Dispute resolution/Users Borofkin, Mrmiscellanious, and others, to involve the community? The purpose of Wikinews:Dispute resolution is to "expose the issue to a larger audience". Wikinews:Dispute resolution is the standard way to seek the help of the wider community to resolve a dispute, and has been for a long time. It was publicised on the water cooler, and on the talk page of all involved parties. What else could we have done? - Borofkin 02:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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Ironiridis

Jason Safoutin 01:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

User: Ironiridis has permission to edit this section of my talk page at will. Jason Safoutin 01:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Editing archived version to remove talk page from WN:MA. Dispute is clearly over. :) irid:t 17:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Dead swan found in Fife, Scotland confirmed to have been infected with H5N1 Bird Flu virus

Hi Jason... are you sure that was a vandal? Looks like a valid correction to me.... - Borofkin 02:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Indeed you are corect...I clciked on the wrong link, and MrM had gotton it. Sorry. Jason Safoutin

why do you welcome IP adresses ?

Hi Jason, why do you welcome IP adresses,it's strange ? You seem to favore anonymous users !, i do not think it's a good idea Jacques Divol 08:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding my RfA

Jason, thanks again for all your hard work on the hotel articles. I think you've been really under-appreciated for that. Also, thanks for your support on my RfA. I know the community will support an adminship on your behalf once the political stuff blows over here. Thanks again. :) irid:t 22:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Bad.

I find this and some more quite offensive:

"On the "baby" part: Internation was being a baby and was attempting to force his POV and opinions on not just MrM but everyone invloved in that article. It was not a personal attack, but a statement of truth.

On the "not fit for Wikinews" part: International was attempting to incite violence, and or edit warring. His actions on the talk page and article in question are not fit for Wikinews, especially if one cannot follow WN:NPOV. International seems to hae an issue with that, even when voting for administrators on WN:A. "

I advise you to be less confrontativ and agressive in the future and to try to understand the policys you constantly refering to. Looking forward to enjoy the editing of a kinder Dragonfire international 19:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Why does Wikinews protect old news?

I just wanna add some news to category, so people can find them with ease. — Yaohua2000 21:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

See the Wikinews:Archive conventions ~~125.236.44.44~~ Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 21:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

you are my fst contact here on wiknews english; please help when i have problms? Yrtsihpos 22:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Tag

ok; i thought miscelanos made mistake becaus he says trial transcript is news? I am confuzed. Yrtsihpos 20:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA

It is disappointing that your RfA didn't reach consensus but I am sure you will become an admin on the site one day - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 23:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

why didn't you tell me? is it too late to vote now? Yrtsihpos 01:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

thanks from Dto1138

Thanks for your feedback man! And thanks for making me feel welcome at wikinews. Dto1138 22:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Possible sabatoge involving Requests for Administrators.

What a nice link I came across. http://www.needlenose.com/node/view/2161/30747

Notice the "IMPORTANT RECRUITMENT DRIVE" under the article...This is my favorite quote:

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Eventually, with enough of us in there we can become the admins there and change the balance of power!!! TIP: Some of us should act like we are conservatives so they will let their guard down and allow us to become admins. Then our proxy admins can vote in other admins, get it? Getting FACTS out about our govt. is something YOU can do to TRULY help America right now. Been frustrated? This can be your outlet: Take over wikinews from the conservatives! http://en.wikinews.org/

Posted by Anonymous.

Hmmm...and personal attacks have moved off Wikinews now...not that we can do anything about it here: (also from http://www.needlenose.com/node/view/2161/30747 )

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Neutralizer really needs our help. Keep in mind, be civil... and when conservatives like Mrmiscellanious attack you with insults.. be polite and try to get around his agendas slowly or he and others will ban you.

Also this one from: http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=crooks&comment=7421#535766

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Eventually, with enough of us in there we can become the admins there and change the balance of power!!! TIP: Some of us should act like we are conservatives so they will let their guard down and allow us to become admins. Then our proxy admins can vote in other admins, get it?

Posted by Cowicide...wonder if its Wikinews's same Cowicide?? hmm.

Another from a Cowicide at: indymedia:

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Wikinews has been inflitrated by a crazed little clique of militaristic neo-con Bush nuts. Please help us take it back! There's a struggle going on to preserve the independence of Wikinews, the collaborative current affairs version of Wikipedia. Stories that make America look bad either get watered down or completely stopped. Please help us reclaim Wikinews! Cowicide, 25.10.2005 00:51

Even has a link directly to the water cooler.

All other "quotes" are posted by "anonymous". Jason Safoutin 21:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

Intresting, I will have a good look at each link in the morning. gnight Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 12:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Standoff article

Thanks for your help with the sources. I've edited Wikipedia plenty, but I'm new over here. Osgoodelawyer 22:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's POV. It hasn't gotten much attention outside of Hamilton, despite the situation having gone on for seven weeks. It is a relevant fact. Also, how would one remove the link to a source listed in the template? The Dominion link does not go to the right place. Osgoodelawyer 22:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You are correct, but the way it was worded it was a little POV...I did however; add that back in there with the factual note of the injunction, which enforces the fact :) Jason Safoutin 22:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)