Talk:European Commission, five EU members agree to permit members to ban domestic sale of some Ukrainian agricultural products

Notes

Not used.

Factual errors

• the CNBC article says that Hungary banned transit as well
  • Government resolution No. 130/2023 details transit procedures
  • Got corrected after I have sent a correction request

EU law/decisions

• Regulation (EU) No. 2023/739; April 4; emergency support measure for the cereal and oilseed sectors in Bulgaria, Poland and Romania
  • opening section: describes the effects of allowing Ukrainian food products into the EU market
• EC proposal to suspend duties and quotas for another year; February 23
  • source for the date of opening the borders for food stuff (June 4, 2022)
  • related news article: Commission proposes to renew trade benefits for Ukraine for a year
  • referenced in the CNN article, towards to end ("Anger grew after... ")

Unused

• An overview of EU efforts to help Ukraine; March 17
• Regulation (EU) No. 1150/2014; October 29, 2014; quotas on Ukrainian exports

Polish transit deal (unused)

• Sukces rozmów polsko-ukraińskich (Polish)

Slovakian ban

• Patasi Ilona: El kell érni, hogy az ukrán gabona hagyja el az országot, ürüljenek ki a raktárak – Interjú (Hungarian)
  • "A döntés hatásáról Patasi Ilonával, a Szlovákiai Agrárkamara elnökével beszélgettünk."
    • My translation: "We have talked with Ilona Patasi, president of the Slovak Agriculture and Food Chamber, about the consequences of [this] decision"
  • "Igen, de akkor jött az ukrán árudömping: az ukrán mezőgazdászok a terményeikért sokkal kevesebbet kértek: például egy tonna búzáért 50 eurót, míg nálunk ennek az ára 350 euró volt. A szlovák termelők pedig inkább megtartották a terményeiket, nem csökkentettek az áraikon, így a kereskedők, a feldolgozók kevesebbet vásároltak tőlük, inkább megvették az olcsóbb ukrán alapanyagot."
    • My translation: "Yes, but then started the Ukrainian dumping: the Ukrainian producers asked much lower prices for their produce: for example, 50 euros for a [metric] ton of wheat, while the local price was 350 euros [per metric ton]. Slovakian producers rather kept their produce, did not lower their prices, so traders and processing plants bought less from them, and tended to buy the cheaper Ukrainian raw material."

Announcement (unused)

• Vláda schválila zákaz dovozu niektorých potravinárskych komodít z Ukrajiny (Slovak)

Hungarian ban

• Government resolution No. 130/2023
  • "Hatályos: 2023. 04. 19. – 2023. 06. 30."
    • "In effect: from April 19, 2023 until June 30, 2023"
  • the list of banned product categories is at the bottom; the first column contains the relevant tariff codes - the codes themselves can be checked on tariffnumber.com
  • paragraph section (2) deals with sealing containers intended for transit
  • paragraph section (3) deals with the registration of these goods in the Electronic Public Road Transportation Control System (goods imported from other countries, if they fall into selected categories, have to be registered)
    • "... [a] bejelentési kötelezettség fennáll az Elektronikus Közúti Áruforgalom Ellenőrző Rendszer működésével összefüggésben a kockázatos termékek meghatározásáról szóló 51/2014. (XII. 31.) NGM rendeletben felsorolt termékeken kívül az 1. mellékletben foglalt táblázat 10–13., 18. és 19. sorában meghatározott, Magyarország területére behozni szándékozott termékekre vonatkozóan is
      • My translation: "... the registration of risky products listed in NGM resolution No. 51/2014 and those of under rows 10-13, 18 and 19 in the table of appendix 1) in the Electronic Public Road Transportation Control System is mandatory, [if] such products are intended to be entered into territory of Hungary"

• Hazánk megtiltotta 25 mezőgazdasági termékkör importját Ukrajnából (Hungarian)
  • "Nem tartható fenn az ukrán mezőgazdasági áruk teljes körű vámmentessége sem, hiszen nem behozható versenyelőnnyel termelnek az európainál jelentősen alacsonyabb önköltséggel, köszönhetően a hatalmas üzemméreteknek, valamint az Európai Unióban már nem megengedett termesztési és növényvédelmi gyakorlatoknak is – hangsúlyozta a tárcavezető."
    • My translation: ""the duty-free regime for Ukrainian agricultural products cannot be maintained, because [Ukrainian producers] have a competitive advantage which cannot be compensated for, as they work with significantly lower costs than that of the EU, thanks to the gigantic plant and farm sizes, and cultivation and plant protection practices that are no longer permitted in the European Union, the Minister stressed."

Former sources (removed)

• John Reed, Emiko Terazono, Alexandra Heal, Sam Joiner, Dan Clark, Sam Learner. "How Russia's war in Ukraine upended Europe's breadbasket" — Financial Times, April 27, 2022

- Notes closed. - Xbspiro (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Review of revision 4721700 [Not ready]

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@JJLiu112:, Yes, normally FT articles are, but this one is not. Are you having a different experience after clicking the link? I don't know if it is a geo-related issue. But try the archive link instead. It's fully visible there, regardless. --SVTCobra 00:30, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

They let you read three (?) free articles a month. --Heavy Water (talk) 00:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Did you click the link? I can't read any of their normal articles. This one is different. It is not behind the paywall. SVTCobra 00:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, it is an annoying piece with text floating and images behind. It's almost like an art experiment. However, I am quite certain it's not paywalled. SVTCobra 00:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

That's odd. It was paywalled when I opened it earlier, but now it's not. Sorry for the inconvenience. JJLiu112 (talk) 00:50, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Hungarian side

I could not find anything on the tariff changes in the Hungarian official gazette, which suggests to me that this was just an announcement. (And, as the article points out, tariffs are regulated by the EU, not the individual countries themselves.) This morning, the Ministry of Agriculture has communicated that transit through the country is still allowed.^{[1] (Hungarian)} - Xbspiro (talk) 07:41, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

New developments

• Slovakia is the third country to ban imports
• Poland now allows the transit of Ukrainian grain
• Hungary: on April 18, at around 10 p.m. - government resolution No. 130/2023 got published in the official gazette

- Xbspiro (talk) 00:27, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Do you have the time to bring it up-to-date? I retracted the request for review. SVTCobra 02:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I will get to it. - Xbspiro (talk) 10:41, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Is it finished and ready for review? Cheers, SVTCobra 18:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I would tinker with it still. I have been kind of slow to write. - Xbspiro (talk) 18:15, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: Finished, I think. - Xbspiro (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. You put a lot of work into this. I hope it will not be overwhelming for the reviewer. Cheers, SVTCobra 21:53, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Hope not - I will be logged in on IRC for two more hours, give or take. Maybe I can help reviewing by answering questions there, if some would arise. - Xbspiro (talk) 22:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Pictures for consideration (fair use)

• [2] - the Ukrainian (left) and Hungarian (right) ministers of agriculture in a teleconference
• [3] - the Polish Minister of Agriculture visits a border crossing point
• [4] - Polish and Ukrainian officials announce the transit deal (close-up on the Polish side)
• [5] media gallery of the Ukrainian Ministry of Agriculture (earlier pictures)

- Xbspiro (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Not so sure any of these qualify for fair use. SVTCobra 22:42, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Neither am I. Except for the last one, each item shows an aspect of the ban (negotiations, border visits, announcements), and were published by the ministries or ministers to illustrate the situation (primary source). My hunch is that they would pass as publicity photos.

I have just noticed btw, that the Polish ministry uses CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 PL (see the footnote here). - Xbspiro (talk) 11:24, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Review of revision 4722352 [Not ready]

Revision 4722352 of this article has been reviewed by Heavy Water (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 19:43, 22 April 2023 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not ready: Romania joined the ban, and now Romania and Poland have lifted the ban pending the EU's emergency decision. I also notice the focal point is not well-defined here, even if it wasn't out-of-date, it is spread across four bans over three days; as WN:Newsworthiness says: "An ongoing process is unlikely to pass muster." Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: I'll try to prioritize this next time it comes around, if it does, because it's moving along so effing fast. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 4722352 of this article has been reviewed by Heavy Water (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 19:43, 22 April 2023 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not ready: Romania joined the ban, and now Romania and Poland have lifted the ban pending the EU's emergency decision. I also notice the focal point is not well-defined here, even if it wasn't out-of-date, it is spread across four bans over three days; as WN:Newsworthiness says: "An ongoing process is unlikely to pass muster." Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: I'll try to prioritize this next time it comes around, if it does, because it's moving along so effing fast. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

@Heavy Water: I am surprised that Euronews wrote that, I will look into that. As far as I know, Romania did not ban imports pending that EU emergency decision, they have just floated the idea, and announced sealing containers and residue testing at the borders. As for Poland, the partial ban reversal, whereas they allow transit, is covered in our article. As for newsworthiness, the given example is "continental drift" in the policy - the four bans, to me, seem to be closely related, and stemming from the same issue, with the same consequences for the EU. - Xbspiro (talk) 23:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

As far as Romania, I am also surprised. I can't remember where, but I recall reading they vowed not to ban. @Heavy Water:, I'd recommend not taking the "An ongoing process is unlikely to pass muster" too literally. Everything is an ongoing story. Of course, if there are major developments that have happened between the time an article was submitted and the review, we don't want to publish something that makes Wikinews look foolish or uninformed. The reason I caution about the language in that policy is that, if strictly interpreted, we could not report on the war in Ukraine until it is finished, for example. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:43, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I was using "An ongoing process" to say: it isn't focused on one specific event, but rather four bans spread across a few days. Heavy Water (talk) 23:46, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

OK, but we can't really know if another country joins; and we can't "wait and see". But I suppose it could have been more focused on the latest with a title update. Cheers, SVTCobra 23:55, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

The latter is what I meant by this (and the lead). Heavy Water (talk) 00:03, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Heavy Water: To me, the Romanian ban seems to be an error on Euronews' side. Unfortunately, I do not speak Romanian, so I have resorted to using Google Translate.

- the Ministry of Agriculture doesn't seem to mention it on its news site (machine translated version)

>> their article, covering an online meeting between Ukrainian and Romanian officials on April 19, doesn't seem to mention it either

- Romania Insider wrote on April 20 that a ruling party pushes for a ban: [6]

- an April 21 article of theirs wrote about container sealing and residue testing: [7]

- Al Jazeera mentions four bans on April 21: [8]

- Interfax mentions four bans on April 21: [9]

>> a factual error in this article: in the case of Hungary, they wrote that the ban started on April 18 (that's the publication date of the Hungarian government resolution)

- Radio Free Europe posted this article on April 21: Romania To Hold Off On Ukrainian Grain Ban For Now

- Reuters published this on the same day: Romania will not ban Ukrainian grain imports, awaits EU decision (through 12ft.io)

- their April 19 coverage says: "Romania is the only country of the five affected that has not enforced a ban." - [10] (through 12ft.io)

- I have not seen the ban covered by Romania-based Hungarian language media. - Xbspiro (talk) 05:46, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

A chance to refresh

Today, an Agriculture and Fisheries Council meeting will be held in Luxembourg - the bans are on the agenda. - Xbspiro (talk) 07:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

A deal was reached on April 28. I added some sources. Hopefully, we can get it ready and trim some of the old sources. Cheers, SVTCobra 21:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I "refreshed" and resubmitted but unfortunately I had to cut a lot of your work. Your research and notes were amazing work, though. Cheers, SVTCobra 00:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. An important detail, I think, is that national bans covered a much more wider range of goods than the new EU-sanctioned one. If you would like to cover that, this article sums up the original bans pretty well. - Xbspiro (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Review of revision 4724837 [Passed]

Revision 4724837 of this article has been reviewed by Heavy Water (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 02:02, 4 May 2023 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: Fairly smooth review; issues likely stemmed from the multiple changes in focus, prompting some editing for WN:PYRAMID and (likely these were in removed sources) removing the exact dates of all the bans but Hungary's. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 4724837 of this article has been reviewed by Heavy Water (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 02:02, 4 May 2023 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: Fairly smooth review; issues likely stemmed from the multiple changes in focus, prompting some editing for WN:PYRAMID and (likely these were in removed sources) removing the exact dates of all the bans but Hungary's. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

@Heavy Water: I have added two sources to cover the dates. In the case of Hungary, the CNN article gives a wrong date. The original Hungarian ban announcement was published on the ministry's page on April 15 at 21:20 (CET). - Xbspiro (talk) 07:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Sighted, thanks Xbspiro. Heavy Water (talk) 14:35, 4 May 2023 (UTC)