User talk:PVJ59/Archive 1

Re:

no sweat. welcome again, and i hope u'll enjoy contributing to wikinews. Doldrums 18:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Just wanted to drop by to say hi, and welcome to wikinews. I hope you're enjoying your time here, and if you have any questions and concerns please feel free to leave a note on my talk page. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC) (Why am I talking like an airline stewertisit? Well, I mostly want to try out new welcome notes, and see how the response is. I also saw that you're realitivly new, and I think its a good idea, to say hi, and meet the newer users.)

Copyright permission from ibnlive.com

We only had issues with the attribution part, at least for the online part of our operations.

For the official part, provided the Wikimedia Foundation sticks to the following conditions, you are allowed to use our content.

1) Proper attribution and link backs of the content sourced from CNN-IBN's website, specified as material published at the URL http://www.ibnlive.com.

2. No images on the website shall be republished on Wikinews since we also use images sourced from agencies and do not have the reuse rights for it.

If you need any further clarifications, do write back.

Yes, does their copyright permit us to alter their material? If not, we can't use it. I've already altered the article, as have others. It could change completely, and there is a comment on the talk page that it does not meet with the site's NPOV policy. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 20:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

As you'll see I deleted one of these articles, it was attributed to the Associated Press. Where is the site's copyright message? I very much doubt they're allowed to pass stuff from AP on to us, can you provide me with an email address for someone who can speak authoritatively on the matter?

As things stand, Wikinews cannot provide any assurances that your attribution and linkback will be retained. Personally, I find the linkback to be a form of promotion for the IBN Live web site and believe duplication of their articles should be disallowed on the basis that it is spam. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 21:04, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

CNN-IBN

Hi Brian,you can e-mail Mr.Shyam Somanadh,Project Manager, Web Operations,CNN-IBN at shyam.somanadh@tv18online.com As for attributions and linkback-we cite sources and provide external links anyway so it shouldn't be much of a problem right?Yes,the AP article was probably not covered by their permission-I realised that only as I was adding the sources template (after creating the article),so I thought I'd just let someone else look into it.However,they might be having the reuse rights for AP material-I forgot to enquire about it-could you please ask them about that?According to the terms displayed on the website we may alter their material after obtaining consent[1].I feel that duplication of their artilcles may be a good idea since there are few India or rather South-Asia related articles on Wikinews and the number of Indian editors here is also low,duplicating CNN-IBN articles may be a time-saving measure.Nontheless,I request you to look into the matter yourself.PVJ 06:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I have exchanged emails with Mr Somanadh, and to be honest I got the impression he knows less about copyright law than I do - and I don't know a lot :-). I have raised this issue on the water cooler, and input from others can be solicited there. However, I'd actually advise opting for the simple option here. Namely, use CNN-IBN as a source, but write the story in your own words so we avoid attribution nightmares. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 17:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I have posted a comment concerning sources from sites such as IBNLive on the Water cooler. --Chiacomo ^(talk) 04:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Leaving myself a note.

spaces after punctuation

hi pvj, i noticed that u don't usually add a space after a punctuation mark such as the full-stop or the comma. can u please correct that; spaces after punctution is the accepted practice generally and here on wikinews. thanks. Doldrums 13:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

no sorries necessary, we all learn from mistakes. :) i saw the duplicate article on the egypt bombings and have tagged it as a duplicate. u can do the same by adding the template

"{{dupe|name of the duplicate article}}"

to the article text. i'll merge any info in that article (after which it'll be deleted) to Egypt:Twin suicide bombings hit Sinai, and you can continue to add any more info to this article. cheers, Doldrums 14:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Tanks for adding my name to Wikinewsies India, But I think it is better to put it in India WikiBureau and help get a team going there. Srinivasasha 11:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

International Wikinews Writing Contest

Just a reminder that the IWWC starts tomorrow. Ral315 (talk) 10:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

You need to fix the sources on your last two articles. They need to be in their own section. Please fix this. Ral315 (talk) 16:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

RFA

Um. Ok. But next time to let you know, only beurocrats can do that. Jason Safoutin 01:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually anyone can do it, it is just something best left to bureaucrats since only a bureaucrat can really make the final decision. This was a clear case 50% is not enough for adminship. However another vote or two combined with a few invalid votes (all were vaild this time, but many other RfA will have one or two) being thrown out and it could be a very different case. --Cspurrier 02:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but infact there were only 7 support votes as opposed to 8 oppose votes, the reason being that my supporting vote was invalid since it was cast after the one-week deadline. PVJ 13:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually there is a tie. Jason Safoutin 13:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's 7/7, now.

None of the votes were invalid, the 7 days is the min not the max. --Cspurrier 14:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

But the counting of votes by the bureaucratic has to take place after 7 days right? To the best of my knowledge there is a maximum period upto which voting can take place-otherwise a candidate (I don't mean Justin) would try and indefinitely prolong the vote in the hope of achieveing consensus support? Nontheless I'm newer here than you so I'll take your word for it. PVJ 15:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

As soon as the vote has been moved to the archive the vote is over. As long as seven days is up, it can be moved at any point. I will normally try to let votes where no consensus exists go for about two weeks. Other then cluttering up the RFA page there is no real problem with leaving a vote going indefinitely. Hopefully the person will sooner or later gain enough support votes to become an admin. We make anybody who is trusted by the community an admin, so if it takes a week or a month to determine this level of trust, everybody still wins. --Cspurrier 15:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. PVJ 08:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming users

Thanks for helping welcome users... Just a note, when welcomeing others if you use {{subst:hello}} rather than {{hello}}, it will automagically copy the full text of the welcome message to the user's talk page. Using just the straight template may confuse new editors and will slowly increase server load as it's added to hundreds of pages. Additionally, every time someone changes the template, the message on the user's talk page will change -- this too might confuse people. Thanks again, and good luck on your RfA. Let me know if I can answer any questions or assist you! --Chiacomo ^(talk) 02:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I don't often welcome users, so I'll learn from this one. PVJ (Talk) 05:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you,

for communicating that. -Edbrown05 06:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. PVJ (Talk) 07:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Just a reminder -img src

To incluide links for where you retrieved an image from, and what it is of in the description page. Images like Image:cpi.jpg techniclly should be deleted because it doesn't say where you got it from. Could you please include this information. Happy editing, and good luck on your admin request. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll add the informaion. But I'm not sure what the copyright status is on election symbolc issued bu the Election Commission of India, but it's most likely released into the public domain, so i'll assume the latter. PVJ (Talk) 02:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

"Support"?

On Wikinews:Deletion requests, for a May 24 deletion request, you voted "support". Does this mean you support the article, or you support its deletion? Likewise for the undeletion request; do you support the undeletion? —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 23:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I meant I support the deletion, or the undeletion as the case may be. PVJ (Talk) 02:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

No problems at all, I have faith in your abilities and see no harm in giving you a shot. I will admit, you write some nice articles - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 10:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

Hi, i thinl you will be ok with npov with more expereince. with that articel the sorce include hezbolo statement "Hezbollah denounced Israel's air strikes as "part of Israel's targeting of security and stability in Lebanon"." which i think should have ben in articel you rote. Copy so much on other story mane problym . I sorry and know you had only good intint. will vote for you next time. Yrtsihpos 13:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem PVJ (Talk) 13:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Image source

Could you please indicate a source for this Image:Reservationprotest.jpg? Each image is required to a have source, so we can verify the image is not a copyright violation which does not qualify under the fair use policy. - Amgine | ^{talk en.WN} 04:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll get to it. I must have neglected it in a hurry. PVJ (Talk) 05:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

update to indonesia earthquake article

i think u shld consider creating a new article on the Indian aid effort, rather than updating the existing article, which is already 3 days old. Wikinews:What Wikinews is not and Wikinews:Content guide has more on this. Doldrums 12:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the article will probably be a bit short but I can manage to get around two paragraphs. I'll create it later tonight. PVJ (Talk) 13:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for Review.

Could you please review http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/12_arrested_in_Canadian_counter-terrorism_operation and tell me if you think it's allright to publish? MyName 16:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, I also think it was allright to have the names, but I ommited them just to be on the safe side. Again, thanks MyName 16:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: POV

I am aware of that, but I will keep that in mind in the future, thanks. :) RadioKirk talk to me 18:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

checkuser

Please see my comment here. Kind regards — Dan | talk 07:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation. PVJ (Talk) 10:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

IWWC- three finalists

We're down to the last three finalists in the IWWC. Normally, the contest would end, and prizes would be awarded, but with only one prize, I suggest we keep the contest going, and do the following:

• 1st Place: 33.30 euros
• 2nd Place: 22.20 euros
• 3rd Place: 11.10 euros

Any objections? Ral315 (talk) 00:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, let the competition continue. PVJ (Talk) 04:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

: I've thought about increasing the requirement to two articles/one with original research, to try and make it more interesting. Would that be better than an end date? Ral315 (talk) 06:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems to be good idea. PVJ (Talk) 09:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

If you dropped out now, you would receive 11.10 euros via PayPal from Brianmc. If this doesn't work, you could opt to donate your part to the Wikimedia Foundation. Ral315 (talk) 05:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Your unblock of User:Neutralizer

I've requested some justification for your action on WN:ALERT. - Amgine | ^{talk en.WN} 05:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Neutralizer re-blocked.

I've reblocked Neutralizer. Next time, I suggest you seek community consensus instead of unilaterally unblocking a user found in violation of many of our policies, most notably using a sockpuppet to circumvent his block. Communication is important, and if you fail to communicate before unblocking users, you'll find yourself angering other admins very easily. Ral315 (talk) 06:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Deleting

You can't just delete all articles listed on DR, they have to remain there for at least three days. Also once you removed an listing you have to list it in the archives. Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 08:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed the mistakes you've made. Remember, articles listed have to stay for three days (seven for non-articles), then get archived at Wikinews:Deletion requests/Archives. Don't forget to use the {{closed-dr}} template! —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 15:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. PVJ (Talk) 16:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

What did User talk:159.247.237.3 do to get blocked? FellowWikiNews 18:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

He was trolling and was making personal attacks. PVJ (Talk) 01:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It is important, generally, to warn users -- new users especially, before blocking them. --Chiacomo ^(talk) 05:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

deletion for no sources

did this article ("Feminist Gathering in Tehran Violently Interrupted by the Police") go thro' DR? if not, then adding a {{sources}} and listing for deletion is in order, not deleting straightaway. the article has since then been recreated and appears to have a source.

from the logs: 20:21, 13 June 2006 PVJ59 deleted "Feminist Gathering in Tehran Violently Interrupted by the Police" (No sources.)

Doldrums 15:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

no probs. and it won't hurt to put a note (or welcome message) on the user's talk page as well. Doldrums 17:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Former U.S. soldier charged with rape, murders

Recently, there was a move war and plenty of things got out of hand. In fact, the article ended up deleted and I had to work to restore the article. I protected the page and the talk page from moves to help prevent it from happening again. Since you are capable of moving pages as an administrator, please, do not rename the article until we can settle on a permanent name, because things really went bad. —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 22:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I have decided on a possible name to settle on for Former U.S. soldier charged with rape, murders. Please state on the talk page if you agree with the proposed name or not. —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 00:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

see

see [2]. Doldrums 11:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Abeer Qassim Hamza

Hello, I have seen no evidence to suggest that she was 11 years old. Perhaps you could help me out here.--Birdmessenger 13:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see [3]. The age is mentioned as "1!", which I feel is a typographic error. The writer most likely wanted to type "11" but because the "1" and "!" characters are on the same key, I feel it was meant to be 11. But I believe it appears as "15" when viewed on Internet Explorer, I am not sure though because I use Firefox.PVJ (Talk) 13:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I use Firefox as well, so I had to block images from the site to see that it says 15.--Birdmessenger 13:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Article title strawpoll

Please participate in the strawpoll for the final title of US soldier charged with family's murder and rape and killing of their daughter, Iraq. —this is messedr͏̈ocker (talk) 19:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Consider it done.

—this is messedr͏̈ocker (talk) 07:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

flag

i'm not convinced that a flag is necessary or appropriate. i removed the image in a pretty knee-jerk fashion, and i'll try and explain my reasons (a li'l later). in the meantime, perhaps u can take a couple of other opinions on it. Doldrums 11:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

renaming

pvj, why are u renaming the the US soldier arrested for rape and four murders in Iraq page when the discussion and the poll on it is going on? Doldrums 13:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

please revert it. the page is protected so non-admins cant rename it. for an admin to rename it to something other than what the consensus is, would be using admin powers to prevail in an editorial dispute, a big no-no.

the current title has the problem: it says "girl" and then says her age is 15-25 (if 25, she's not a girl), while all we know is someone says her age is 15, someone else says 25, we dont know which is true. the two are not the same. the existing title was accurate and covered the gist of the story. Doldrums 13:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

This is really unacceptable. Please stop.--Birdmessenger 13:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey,friend. I remember how you unblocked me and I really appreciate that. Please do me another favour and back off this title change at least for awhile. I'd really appreciate it as you're one of the best admins around ,imo, and the project needs you to maintain top collaborative influence. Just my personal request here; as always, "ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do." but I hope you can just let it be for awhile. I'm thinking there will be a brand new story coming up on the raped child. It looks like there is an effort to exhume the body and then the world will know the truth. You'll be needed to help with that explosive story.I'm sure. Neutralizer 13:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The title has been reverted. I apologise for my hasty actions and was unaware of the fact that the page had been protected. Neutralizer, thank you for your compliment and I hope the truth will be revealed soon. PVJ (Talk) 13:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. --Birdmessenger 14:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

3RR

You have been blocked for 24hrs for violating the 3 revert rule. If you believe others have also violated the 3rr (and they probably have) please provide a link to the diffs and I will block them as well. --Cspurrier 18:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

re 3rr

I have blocked Ealturner for 17 hours (what you served of your block, unless I misadded). I did not block him originally because I did not have diffs for his reverts but I did for yours. While I guessed he probably did violate the 3RR, I did not have time to dig through the very messy history. I did see your note about him, but since you only provided a link to the history I was enable to block based upon that. That is why I asked you to provide evidence of other people violating the 3rr, when I blocked you.

Also unblocking yourself is considered one of the more extreme type of admin abuse, only a few steps bellow outright vandalism. It can be considered grounds for removal of adminship, and is to be avoided. If you need to contact the blocking admin, you can either e-mail them or reply on your talk page. Most admins (all should) watch the talk pages of people they blocked. Also if you want to reatch me and you are blocked, you can e-mail me, icq me, talk to me in irc or ask on one of the other Wikis. No need to reblock yourself, but do not ever do it again :). --Cspurrier 20:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Writing competition

Can you give me paypal detail for prize payment? --Brian McNeil / ^talk 16:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Check your paypal account and don't spend it all in the one place. ;-) --Brian McNeil / ^talk 17:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

NPOV Issue

NPOV, whether it is Wikinews or Wikipedia, refers to the main article. In the discussion sections, however, personal opinion are not only allowed, but actually essential. I merely responded to the initial question of how the Indian missile testing would be compared to the N Korean one. I did not add any POV to the main news article. 68.229.152.169 03:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

De-admin dispute

I'd be happy to discuss the issues you seem to be having with user Ealturner, and the de-admin request against you. He has raised an item on my talk page specifying that he is not happy with the way things have gone, and I think the discussion should perhaps be completed on my talk page. In effect, I'd like to mediate through this, I think you made some rash (newbie-related) decisions and whilst I don't want everyone pouring out their excuses for the situation that led to an RfDA, I'd like to offer a forum for the apologies and justifications for misguided acts. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 18:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

As an aside, can you give me a 1-paragraph synopsis of the events? --Brian McNeil / ^talk 19:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

how're u doing...

how's everything with u? Doldrums 11:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

short answers are: fine. yes. Doldrums 11:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

also, there are a few speedy deletes waiting for u at Wikinews:Admin action alerts. Doldrums 12:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding archiving

This was probably not an appropriate edit, as it you could hardly be considered neutral in the matter. In the future I would suggest you ask another user to review the age of the request and its outcome. - Amgine | ^{talk en.WN} 16:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

3rr on Civilian casualties increase as Israel-Hezbollah conflict continues

You have been blocked for 24hrs for violating the 3rr on Civilian casualties increase as Israel-Hezbollah conflict continues --Cspurrier 18:20, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi there

I've been kinda busy doing other things, so I haven't had much time to be active here. But thanks for the suggestion. Thewolfstar 07:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

RfA :(

Thanks for voting on my RfA. Unfortunately a consensus was not reached. Anyway, thanks for voting. MyName 01:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, this message is the same for everyone :)

Regarding your alert

I've commented on the WN:ALERT page. I would really be disappointed if you left the project; but if you are feeling stressed or bothered perhaps a wikibreak can help? If you have any other issues with User:Ealturner, please feel free to contact me immediately and I will attempt to sort it out. - Amgine | ^{talk en.WN} 16:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

User: 80.94.225.194

Started making advertisments again, after 50 hour block expired. MyName 13:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

re: Hope this is O.K with you?

I think there is something a little hateful with you taking what I have pride in, and turning it into some sort of derisive parody on your user page, which is what you have done with my little "what-cha-ma-call-it" explanation of myself. That is why I cast my vote to oppose you as an adminstrator.

India is cool, so in yer book the U.S. ain't, so what?... when you gonna get Pakistani mind-space under control? After you are done blowing up USA bedrock? I really don't think you want to do that. What space you got? A nuclear N. Korea? -Edbrown05 07:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Broken gift

Sometme in the late 1960's, or perhaps it was the early 70's, my Uncle Joe with the exclamation that, "the best gifts come in small packages", gives a Christmas present to me that is supposed to measure to distance travelled during a walk.

The gift was in the shape of a hockey puck with a clip so that I could attach it to my belt. My uncle explained to me that after I set the instrument to do calculations based upon what I input as the length of my foot step, it would measure how much ground I traversed on a walk.

Being immediately suspicious of this gift's capability, I asked my uncle, "How can it measure my foot step if it is attached to my belt?"

"It calculates it by the sway of your body," was my uncle's reply.

I took this gift out for a trial run with a play mate buddy of mine, up in the hills where we usually ran around, jumping over rocks and an occasional stream. After the excursion, my uncle's gift said we travelled 1.5 miles.

I knew the gift was wrong but believe to this day the thought was right. -Edbrown05 04:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What gift do you offer with your derisive use of my user page post on your user page? -Edbrown05 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

virgin territory

discussion boards suk, blogging suks, and MSNBC suks too... so what you going to do (tying to keep my english straight here) ... have confidence in the wiki way? yep, that's me.

virginians are likely to report anything, i hope they do

Re: Threatens and weighs

Hi, PVJ59:

Just an explanation (not an argument) over the verb change in that "non-nuke" ICBM headline. I had written this in a comment when I made the change, but apparently it wasn't included in what you read: The word "threatens" implies a specific promise to strike. "If you do (or don't do) X, we'll do Y." "Weighs" conveys the hypothetical nature of the U.S. position now: "If someone does X, we'd like to have the ability to do Y." "Weighs" seemed more neutral to me since 1) the U.S. hasn't yet taken the decision to reconfigure ICBMs with conventional high explosives and 2) U.S. action is at this point hypothetical.

That's it. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Dbrekke 17:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• I changed it simply because it was talking about the American Secretary of Defense. I didn't see any reason to use the Commonwealth spelling for an American title. I don't think it's worth a nasty message, in any case, since I did it in the process of many other changes to the article—you make it sound like I am systematically changing them, but that's clearly not the case. Maybe this is a burr under your saddle for some other reason, but I found your note a little unnecessarily incivil. --Fastfission 21:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Headline

I can (and have) edited the article itself but I can't edit the main page on which the headline error appears. Crimson 18:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone else has fixed the error, however. Crimson 18:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)