Death penalty in a civilised society will be forbidden in the FUTURE, that is my dream. Human Being should refrain from taking another fellow Human Life what ever the circumstance. I sincerly hope USA will evolve to see the WISDOM of precious nature of Life (spiritual) force in the Mortal (physical) Body and use the Power(Judicial etc) to preserve it. The Legal system and laws eg possession of a firearm complicates and slows the change (due to violence).

Rajveetee (talk)21:08, 19 July 2011

Rajveetee you like talking shit you choot. I would like to see anyone of you who are against the death penalty to come live in South Africa for a while. People get bound, boiling water forced down their throats, get the "necklace" (a gasoline soaked burning tyre around their neck) babies as young as a few weeks get raped, people get mutilated and murdered for body parts to make the black man's "medicine". Come live in the murder capital of the world for a while, let your families get murederd in the most heinous way, wives and daughters, sisters and grannies get raped and killed. In all this the goverment does nothing as in many cases even cops are involved. I dare you, you might sing another tune then. (talk) 22:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC) (talk)22:07, 20 July 2011

Of course there are countries where terrible atrocities are more common, I am judging specifically an American politician on her hypocrisy since they are meant to be a rich and enlightened country.

I take your point, it chimes with what I said about the base instinctive response of 'an eye for an eye' which every human being can sympathise with to a point (especially when the crimes are particularly atrocious), no matter what they say otherwise.

However I feel my point still stands - its the fixing of deep rooted social problems that will achieve the goal of drop in serious crime, not the threat of death.

Of course there are no text books on how to fix societies, especially one so regressive, but I will not defend or accept capital punishment.

Mcchino64 (talk)09:26, 21 July 2011
Mcchino64 (talk)11:22, 21 July 2011

The sovereign State is entitled and bear the benefit or brunt of Guilt (if the Victim is innocent) by eliminating the wrong life and letting the real culprit unpunished. Some mistakes in the History of Forensics & Legal system have been recorded in History of Criminal Justice System. You can not bring back the extinguished innocent Life.

Rajveetee (talk)18:53, 23 July 2011

my brother in the capital of south africa, you made a very passionate (factual) situational description of the most atrocious crimes commited in johannesberg. Many times i wanted to go back to India. personal reasons and destiny kept me in UK. i never enjoyed life, gave my best of what i learnt in my profession to help fellow humans especially with greater needs- homeless, detainees in prison and police station; worked with people with addiction, which opened my eyes. My heart bleeds when people are slaughterd and tortured wherever in the world. I read the story of Gandhi, in south africa where he was ill-treated in his early years of Barrister Life and his 'non-violent' movement was his turning point which changed History. Nelson Mandela showed compassion to integrate the great country as a rainbow nation. My family lived in Durban and visited almost all the areas. I am going to listen to them. I believe in Destiny; i am not saying this to prove anything. if destiny leads me to serve in SA i am prepared for it. just think for a minute brother, what will be the fate of SA if Nelson Mandela decided to behave in the way of Robert Mughabe. you will not be able write this column. best wishes brother.

Rajveetee (talk)20:40, 21 July 2011

MANY people all over the world think that mandela is a god and treat him like one. Well, I have news for them, the day he dies they will discover that he is not a god but was an ANC terrorist leader that killed thousands. Most of the SA people want the death penalty back, even those that opposed it in the past. Murderers here (IF they get caught) get a slap on the wrist and they commit the same crime again and again. Most of our jails are full of criminals but then they get parole or set free because it is the president's birthday and they murder again. Come to SA at your own peril, we are on the same way as Zimbabwe only much faster. (talk) 23:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC) (talk)23:19, 21 July 2011

I am confident that mandela will agree even now, that he is not God. There is Democracy is South Africa. Democracy is about disagreement. People have freedom to express their own feeling and use different ways to change the society. Desmond Tutu cried at hearings of Aparthied enquiry'-Human atrocities. Do you say it is 'Crocodile tears'? You have the right to change the society. The Police Chief in Johannesberg mentioned that London (especially some areas like Brixton) is more dangerous than cities in SA. I work in London. Good luck to your wishes to take your Society in the direction you wish.

Rajveetee (talk)09:29, 23 July 2011