Talk:Ribéry signs contract extension with Bayern

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DFB-Pokal Final: Bayern wins 4-3 in Der Klassiker final

Dortmund has won the DFB-Pokal three times. Including the 2012, 2014 and 2015 DFB-Pokal finals they have featured in five finals in the last five seasons in various competitions including the 2013 UEFA Champions League Der Klassiker final. This was Pep Guardiola's seventh trophy with Bayern Munich in his three years as the club manager. He won the Bundesliga title each season and he is set to join Manchester City next season.

This proves that Bayern Munich played Borussia Dortmund in the Champions League final in 2013.
Borussia Dortmund captain Mats Hummels to join rivals Bayern Munich

With BVB, center back Hummels won two Bundesliga titles, one DFB-Pokal Cup in 2012 when they won the domestic double under Jürgen Klopp; and a silver medal in the 2013 UEFA Champions League.

Bayern won that match. So, Bayern are the UEFA Champions League winners of 2012–13 season, and played the Super Cup and FIFA Club World Cup then.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 01:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

The proposed addition doesn't just say they played those things, it says they won them. --Pi zero (talk) 02:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

  • 2016 Real Madrid
  • 2015 FC Barcelona
  • 2014 Real Madrid
    • Bale joined Los Blancos in the summer of 2013 [...] Spending three seasons at Real Madrid, Gareth Bale has won two UEFA Champions League trophies.
  • 2010 Inter
    • Inter claimed a European treble in the 2009–2010 season

Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 05:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

I'm guessing the point here is meant to be that they only won the UEFA championship once, and couldn't play the other two things in any year that they didn't win the UEFA championship, therefore that must be the year they played the other two things. I need to be thinking very clearly for this, so if I'm the one to deal with this it'll have to wait till morning (my time). --Pi zero (talk) 05:44, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: After signing Ribéry, Bayern won the UCL only once. And to compete in FIFA CWC, the club needs to win the continental championship. Also, the club who won the league in the country hosting the tournament. Since Ribéry joined Bayern, no European country hosted that tournament eliminating the possibility of Bayern to participate in the tournament in other year. UEFA Super Cup is played between UEFA Champions League winner and UEFA Europa League winners. Bayern did not participate in Europa league since they were playing in the Champions League. And so, it bottles down to 2013.
Was difficult to prove!
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 13:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
This is not the way to show that they won events X and Y in 2013. The way to show that they won events X and Y in 2013 is to dig up trust-worthy news sources saying they won X in 2013 and they won Y in 2013; possibly the same source, possibly different sources, but there's simply no way you can produce an airtight demonstration that they won X and Y in 2013 by proving that their wins in X and Y couldn't possibly have been in any other year than 2013 — there is a combinatorial explosion of things that could go wrong. For example, I had just tracked down (from Wikipedia, which discourages people from asking where information came from) the rules for the 2012 FIFA CWC, and discovered (entirely without warning from Wikipedia) that the host national champion also qualifies — but those sorts of competitions have rules that change a bit from year to year, so one would actually have to prove how the rules were in every one of the nine years. Which is just an insane amount of work, ultimately many times as much work as simply digging up a source that says they won X and Y in 2013 — and ultimately complicated reasoning is less reliable than simple observation. --Pi zero (talk) 14:07, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Well, at least we have the list of who won the UCL from 2008 to 2016 for future references.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 14:19, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Editprotected edit

{{Editprotected}} Add CAT:Bundesliga to the article.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 06:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

This article only mentions the league incidentally. --Pi zero (talk) 12:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Lewandowski's article has Bundesliga category, so why to miss this one. Why don't we have uniformity for this? Just a general question.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 13:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Well, that's part of why I hadn't created a redirect for Bundesliga; the category doesn't seem to me to be be "ready for prime time". These league categories had, as I recall, about a year ago a huge number of editprotected requests, a large number of which I disagreed with, and it seemed clear there was a need to look at the whole collection of all articles on these topics to figure out the big picture of how the categories ought to be used and make that happen. Time to do that has, of course, not yet been forthcoming. (I might add, this sort of problem is also one of the reasons I'll often meditate on a category for years before actually creating it.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:41, 23 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
That editprotected requests were requested by me.<be>Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 14:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yes. We had different concepts of how these categories should work. Green Giant tended more toward my way of thinking; but still, the situation really needed a thorough thinking through rather than an ad-hoc article-by-article approach, at least to set things on the right track. --Pi zero (talk) 15:23, 23 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
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