Comments:Libertarianz discusses a free state with Wikinews
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When I first saw the title in RC I thought "Liberarianz" was a typo. :D --Brian McNeil / talk 08:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well it was sort of, but I know what you mean. --Nzgabriel | Talk 08:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Libertarians? As brilliant as anarchists
editHe doesn't seem to know that if the government DIDN'T take money away from people, it couldn't afford to exist and would grant no benefits to the government. And currency is run by the government in the first place. So his ideas are basically for minimum government. If he thinks that strictly consented donations would support a government, then he is just as dim as a communist. Contralya 09:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well first of all, there are many ways that a Government can provide things at a local/state level, without having to resort to central planning at the federal level. Therefore, the federal Income tax specifically is wrong, and should be done away with. Hell, the very idea of a progressive income tax comes from Communism, as does a central bank (the Federal Reserve). Moreover, many of the things Government currently has a monopoly over, could be provided at lesser cost, and at greater quality by the free market. As for voluntary donations to Government, I think it makes perfect sense. If you want something, then YOU pay for it. Don't force the bill down the rest of our throats, when we have no plan to make use of these programs. We got along perfectly well in this nation for 124 years before the income tax and federal reserve came into being in 1913, and since then, Government has only gotten bigger, and the people have inch by inch lost control over their own lives, and become more and more dependent on Government. I'd say that it is those of you who believe that we somehow need the Government, are the ones who are ignorant of history. Balden 11:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- You're an anarchist? Well let me tell you the biggest problem with anarchy: If you don't have an established government, than a nation that has one will use their military to force theirs on you. Second, there are hundreds of benefits to having a government, for instance, large infrastructure projects that private investors would get little profit from making. People who would agree with Balden's last sentence would ultimately LOSE their freedom. I am not going to discuss this more here, because I generally avoid extremists like Communists, Nazis, and anarchists. Nazis propose giving up freedoms in exchange for strength. Communists try to control the people in order to complete their secret agendas. And anarchists undermine all progress that is made by mankind. Contralya 11:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- You really don't know much about Communism, do you? It has been shown to work on a small scale, but all large-scale attempts to implement it have been corrupted. That's people, not a problem with the principles behind the ideology. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- You're an anarchist? Well let me tell you the biggest problem with anarchy: If you don't have an established government, than a nation that has one will use their military to force theirs on you. Second, there are hundreds of benefits to having a government, for instance, large infrastructure projects that private investors would get little profit from making. People who would agree with Balden's last sentence would ultimately LOSE their freedom. I am not going to discuss this more here, because I generally avoid extremists like Communists, Nazis, and anarchists. Nazis propose giving up freedoms in exchange for strength. Communists try to control the people in order to complete their secret agendas. And anarchists undermine all progress that is made by mankind. Contralya 11:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- No, I am not an Anarchist, but a Libertarian (comparable to Minarchism), therefor your point about defense doesn't apply. I don't know where you get the idea that private companies wouldn't profit from infrastructure (such as roads). If private companies were to take over roads, I believe they would not only be better kept, but also safer, because theres no way a private entity would allow a drunk onto their road (liability). I don't know where you get the idea that we would somehow lose our freedom with smaller Government, and I can't address a point you do not adequately make. Balden 12:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- After reading these comments and doing the interview, I've come to appreciate the view of Libertarians. Private ownership of services of schools, etc is possible, but not a very good idea. What will happen to those low-income families? Sure, they wont be getting taxed, but how could they afford private schooling, private doctors, etc, that aren't subsidised by the Government nor getting further assistance by the Government such as Working for Families in New Zealand. --Nzgabriel | Talk 21:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- No, I am not an Anarchist, but a Libertarian (comparable to Minarchism), therefor your point about defense doesn't apply. I don't know where you get the idea that private companies wouldn't profit from infrastructure (such as roads). If private companies were to take over roads, I believe they would not only be better kept, but also safer, because theres no way a private entity would allow a drunk onto their road (liability). I don't know where you get the idea that we would somehow lose our freedom with smaller Government, and I can't address a point you do not adequately make. Balden 12:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't planning on posting here again, but I will put this one last thing; Looks like someone needs a real @&# kicking like in this clip: [1] Contralya 09:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)