Talk:Kurdish operating system under investigation by Turkish attorney general

Ubuntu ideology

The inclusion of the Ubuntu ideology is not NPOV, please do not delete. The investigation is relevant to the ideology: the translation of the operating system into Kurdish was an attempt to embrace a minority group. This is in accordance with the ubuntu ideology, and the investigation in fact brings the operating system and the ideology together in that way ironically... Towsonu2003 05:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm personally skeptical whether we should mention the idealogy is such great detail. This is a newspaper. The details should be covered in an encylopedia or whatever (e.g. wikipedia) Nil Einne 07:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

What is the ubuntu ideology have nothing to do into this article. to be removed. Jacques Divol 21:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

in fact, it's mainly a copyright violation of wikipédia article on ubuntu ideology. Wikinews CC by CA licence do not permit us to copy/paste article (or part of article) from Wikipedia to Wikinews. sorry; Jacques Divol 22:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

So, what's it about?

That is, why is the AG investigating this OS? 68.39.174.238 21:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. This is the news, not the screenshots and other fluff. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

OS is under investigation bc it is in Turkish. please see the "ethnic conflict" link within the article for info on that. as per the screenshots, those are the only screenshot available on the NET for the OS in THIS language, so it adds to the news... Also, don't forget that some people don't know what an OS and what Linux are... Screenshots illustrate both that and the language used there Towsonu2003 01:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice job on the rewrite, whoever. 68.39.174.238 07:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

One source, in Turkish ?

Is there an agreed policy for using sources in languages other than English? I can't read Turkish either, but I am more concerned that this is not flagged as a 'single source' story (only one Turkish newspaper is cited for the AG's investigation.) I do not understand Divol's reason for unpublishing, but I am restoring a previous version of {{Third lead}} for consistency. --InfantGorilla 00:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll add the second news reference now and publish this. I don't see any valid reasons to unpublish an article because the source isn't in English. It's ethnocentric at best. Find a Turkish person to validate the references if you would like to. Towsonu2003 01:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

no, it's english wikinews here, it's not ethnocentric . there is rules about using English sources. Jacques Divol 09:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots

The screenshots which were included in the launch article do not seem relevant for this article, one or two would suffice, not a collection which are larger than the entire article - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 02:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sources

The South African article has been removed from the sources list as it mentions what Ubuntu means (as a word) not Ubuntu Linux. As this is an english news site please find an english source - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 02:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for removing irrelevant reference, it was left there by someone who edited out the section about what ubuntu means. As per your comment on finding an English source, it is a joke, right? how the HELL am I going to find an English source about something like this? Oh well, I give up. Be happy with your ethnocentrism and disregard for other languages. Have fun with your own playground... Towsonu2003 02:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

nicely, Kurds have a news site in English... http://www.kurdishinfo.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5060 your disregard for other languages is still incomprehensible to me Towsonu2003 02:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I am with Towsonu2003 here. Policy recommends using Global Networking to research local sources. --InfantGorilla 03:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

See also

• Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy/Archive/12#Foreign_language_sources
• Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy/Archive/4#Policy_question_about_non-English_sources

--InfantGorilla 03:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is whenever we are working with articles that essentially come from other sources (not OR) it is difficult to verify the source if it isnt in English. I can see your point and I commend your efforts on this article - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 20:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This news headline was probably incorrect

Mayor who was investigated is acquitted: http://www.bianet.org/2006/10/01_eng/news85560.htm According to this page the reason for investigation wasn't localization of Ubuntu. It seem Anadolu Agency reporter (the only source of this news that we're aware of) produced incorrect news.

[see below] I'm reinstating the info on why the investigation was launched (what you labeled as my educated guess seems to be true indeed. From that news item:

Case was launched on grounds that the PKK also demands Kurdish language rights.

Thanks for the reference :) Towsonu2003 09:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

He was acquitted in another case, not in this case. --Erdal Ronahi 00:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I misread the linked article sorry. He's not acquitted from this one. Towsonu2003 00:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Material for new item

I will make a new news item for the source that says "case dismissed". It seems very interesting. If you don't see that new info around, just remind me via my talk page. Thanks a lot for the link Towsonu2003 09:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I misread the link above, that article is talking about something else... Towsonu2003 00:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

wikiubuntu ingilzce şöle bir lafınız var

We will nevertheless go on to promote free software for everbody in his or her mother language

Kürtçe sizin ana dilinizmi?Madem o kadar bilgilisiniz bunuda açıklayın...Turkiye sadece bir tek anadil var oda TURKÇE kendi etnik diliniz olarak lanse etseydiniz kimse size birşey demezdi..ayrıca turk yetkililer memnun kalmadı demişsiniz...Nedenini söleseniz birde...

ayrıca ubuntuforums.org ile irtibata geçmeye çalışıyorum Turkçe yerel takımı açmaya çalışıyoruz ama bi şekilde bize yanıt vermiyolar vede ilgilenmiyorlar..Ubuntu felsefesi böle birşeymi???

Is Kurdish your motherlanguage?Why don't you tell the truht to people?There is only one motherlanguage in Turkey and it is Turkish as you know!!! but you said "We will nevertheless go on to promote free software for everbody in his or her mother language" in wikiubuntu...this is why offical start investigation about you..if you told that kurdish is you etnical language noone disturbs you..why don't you tell these?

Correction

Ubuntu wasn't under investigation.

Yes, we should not mix things together. It is no problem to use kurdish OS on privat computers but it is indeed a problem of using it on governmental computers in municipal services, that was the point of the investigation as far as I heard about it. But the mayor clarified it and was acquitted, so the problem is solved.