Talk:Ireland votes to overturn 35-year-old constitutional ban on abortion

Latest comment: 5 years ago by AZOperator in topic Review of revision 4409337 [Passed]

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Competing articles: Ireland votes to overturn 8th amendment, removing abortion ban --SVTCobra 19:11, 26 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Add the media files from this difference -- the first photo, the graph (I will add the file desc template to the file page later -- it is my own work, see this) -- the picture select will be below HYS.
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The title and the lede paragraph are not correct. Abortion was illegal in Ireland going back to at least 1861. See: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland and Abortion in Ireland: Legal Timeline. I am not a lawyer, but it is my understanding the 8th Amendment basically just moved the ban into the Constitution. --SVTCobra 01:17, 27 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

From looking at the actual text (Click Here) the vote put a new section into the eight amendment. Constitutional law is, in some aspects, the same. There is no such thing as 'repealing' or 'overturning' a part of the constitution so on a technical terminology grounds - neither is right. This vote to add section two to amendment eight, just says we are no longer going to use another part or clarify an interpretation. The process of adding such text differs from constitution to constitution. AZOperator (talk) 02:11, 27 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you mean the use of the word "repeal," Guardian, Atlantic, and BBC all use it, both in their own voices and when quoting others. Maybe the word means different things in different contexts, like how people use "theory" to refer to speculation in ordinary speech. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:33, 27 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
AZO, I think you are right. Looking at Thirty-sixth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2018, they didn't exactly repeal the entirety of the 8th. However, and this is important, it does reverse the 1983 referendum to amend the 8th. That linked article, does however acknowledge the popular vernacular of 'Repeal the Eight'. Are we going to need a lawyer for this? --SVTCobra 03:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, I retract that statement. Unlike the US, it looks like when the Irish pass an amendment, they change the text of the constitution. In the US, we keep the constitution, but just add to it. --SVTCobra 04:08, 27 May 2018 (UTC)--SVTCobra 04:08, 27 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If we need a lawyer, we're doing something wrong. --Pi zero (talk) 04:10, 27 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That said, if the msm is being sloppy in their terminology, all the more value in our being careful. --Pi zero (talk) 04:11, 27 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Review of revision 4409337 [Passed] edit

I am really glad this article was published. It's outside the US, since somedays if feels like the US's Wikinews, and it tackles a big deal. Well done to everyone involved. AZOperator (talk) 14:02, 28 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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