Talk:African refugees allege forced labour by Turkish police

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What is wrong with this article is that it does not have multiple sources (preferably in English) that can verify the substantial claims of abuse/slavery. English sources are preferred because any of our contributors can check them, I have software that makes an effort at translating Turkish into English, and what I get is not enough to reliably confirm the details given in our story. This is the single source for the torture allegations so the article qualifies for the single source tag. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 14:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see the section below Towsonu2003 18:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Slavery is quite likely flat wrong. More likely, the Turkish police simply thretened to deport them if they didn't work. Which, while not very nice, is simply not slavery. Nyarlathotep 14:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Interesting :) Please see Slavery where it states:

"Historically, slavery has generally occurred as a means of securing the labour of the slave, without the right of the slave to refuse, leave or receive anything in return for their labour other than food, accommodation and clothing. As such slavery is one form of unfree labour."

The victim here is being forced to work for free by the police. Also see this news item where the term modern day slavery is used to refer to "shocking working conditions, denied rights, blackmail, fraud before deportation", which is what the victim faced here in this news item. Towsonu2003 18:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Its not forced if they are given a choice between deportation and labor, and can choose deportation at any time. And "fraud before deportation", i.e. lying about not deporting them to gain labor, *is* worth calling slavery. Its actually quite common for police in any nation to negotiate with people they have caught. Normally the public frowns upon this when the negotiation is for anything besides information on catching other criminals. But it does still happen. Don't devalue the word slavery. Real slavery is a terrible practice which still exists today. And its real victims don't end up finding their way to Finland in large numbers. Nyarlathotep 10:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

"Its not forced if they are given a choice between deportation and labor" => is that a joke? seriously?

"its real victims don't end up finding their way to Finland in large numbers" => oh... now I get the underlying ideology you've got there... Towsonu2003 19:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Source and Title

The victim accuses the police and tells that "he feels he was treated like a slave". The title here is the translation of Radikal's title for the same item. Please check the wiki article on Radikal (a well-known Turkish newspaper) before thinking that this is pov. Towsonu2003 17:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

As per the "only one non-english source":

1. The tag you put on the page tells you that local stories are exempt (click on "show")

2. Also see this discussion where the following are documented:

a. Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy/Archive/12#Foreign_language_sources

b. Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy/Archive/4#Policy_question_about_non-English_sources

by InfantGorilla

Thank you -Towsonu2003 17:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding new title by Doldrums: nice :-) thank you -Towsonu2003 18:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)