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Kinda hard to take this guy seriously, his mind is a little unevolved. He uses the term "race" too much, races have already been sorted out, nothin he can do about it, time to move on. The term "race" should rarely ever come up for any reason, period. Especially when we live in countries who are mixes of every race, its just stupid to use the term race in America. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.158.69.239 (talkcontribs) 18:48, 22 November 2008‎

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K if this "leader" has a problem with race, he should time travel back to when the different haplogroups expanded out of Africa and became different races of humans, not in 2009 when hundreds of different races live amongst the same colonies, and families even. He's a little outdated, kind of like a dinosaur. Race means nothing anymore, it is simply a perception another gets of you due to your ancestors choice of where to evolve on the planet, nothing more. He can say it's "in the blood", or some crap like that, but no, no they're still just as human as he. The cultural differences are merely superficial, they can be changed, altered, expanded, and eliminated. I really have absolutely no problem if the president of the United States has a darker tone skin than myself, if that is as deep into another person as someone can see, then what does that say about them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.69.239 (talk) 18:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

K if this "leader" has a problem with race, he should time travel back to when the different haplogroups expanded out of Africa and became different races of humans, not in 2009 when hundreds of different races live amongst the same colonies, and families even. He's a little outdated, kind of like a dinosaur. Race means nothing anymore, it is simply a perception another gets of you due to your ancestors choice of where to evolve on the planet, nothing more. He can say it's "in the blood", or some crap like that, but no, no they're still just as human as he. The cultural differences are merely superficial, they can be changed, altered, expanded, and eliminated. I really have absolutely no problem if the president of the United States has a darker tone skin than myself, it means nothing, it's only what your eyes see, and your brain tells you, it means nothing for any race anywhere. Besides, what is it with white people calling America their home? I'm pretty sure there were millions of other, more...er a hell of alot more civilized than our western society is, who's population declined by 95% once our ancestors arrived, so everything this guy says about his "home" is a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.69.239 (talk) 19:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

You are aware what Nazism is, right? --128.243.253.114 23:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Wow! "Commander"...

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I don't know what's funnier... A nazi "Commander" with an electric sports car, to "save the environment" or his dimwitted perspective. Well, they didn't think much about the environment when they burned all those people back then... So maybe I'll go for him being an ass... What a dipshit loser... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.241.151.126 (talkcontribs) 19:46, 22 November 2008

Yes, it's very strange... I didn't expect to be looking towards the National Socialists for policies on nuclear disarmament, the shutdown of Guantanamo Bay and the popularisation of hybrid cars... are these fascists or pacifists? I can't tell! --128.243.253.114 23:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
American Nazis share a lot of ideals in common with libertarians, so it shouldn't surprise you (you may see a few more familiar points on the list, such as "the right to bear guns" - historical true Nazis weren't too keen on that, either!). Also, Nazis tend do be rather environmentalist these days, especially on the intersection of NS and various neo-Pagan religion. Overall, this guy seems to be genuine. But oh, teh grammer! 81.5.104.39 12:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Honestly, the thing I admire about this guy is the cognitive dissonance that must be required to blame everything on the jews in light of the media exposing Muslims as the perpetrators of everything bad in the last 8 years. Good thing they know that the media is complicit in the Zionist conspiracy. --204.81.230.186 14:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Is this a joke? ~ Benjamin Goodger, UK —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.84.254 (talkcontribs) 21:40, 22 November 2008

Why is socialism included in their name?

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Why in the world does this group have socialist party in their name, this is like the absolute opposite of socialism in every way imaginable —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soapy (talkcontribs) 04:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

This group believes that they espouse the original ideals of "National Socialism" as outlined in the NSDAP programme. If you read the latter, you'll see that it certainly does include quite a few socialist measures (welfare state, guaranteed right to work and pensions, universal healthcare for nationals, and so on). 81.5.104.39 13:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

"Zimbabwe"

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Interesting he called the country "Zimbabwe" instead of what every other white nationalist (and a few normal conservatives) call it, "Rhodesia". I question his devotion to our white race! 204.116.19.240 05:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Why would you give free publicity and legitimacy to an openly racist, ignorant, and utterly irrelevant fringe political figure? Who cares what this angry, deluded loudmouth with a few thousand followers believes? What's the point? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.207.226 (talk) 05:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Because I enjoy reading about the openly racist, ignorant utterly irrelevant views of the neo-Nazis and their jaded look on life. Racism is not funny, but the racists themselves are because they in the end make themselves are more scum of the earth, then the people they claim are scum. --TUFKAAP (talk) 07:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
I was actually expecting his responses to be significantly less reasonable than they were—the man may be a racist, but he doesn't come across as an idiot, which is somewhat surprising. Jade Knight (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Idiots breed more idiots

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It blows my mind to give this kind of idiotic ignorant person a platform to speak. Is journalism so desparate and ran out of stories? Please it is an offense to breed these idiots in this great nation. Let them rot or EDUCATE THESE IDIOTS! Which century mind set do these idiots have, blaming Israel or Jews for everything! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.68.77.71 (talkcontribs) 13:04, 23 November 2008

Why? Let people see them for what they are. If you silence the fanatics, that gives them an area of mysticism and martyrdom. If you let them speak openly, and publish what they say, they are quickly exposed as the clowns that they are. This interview, with "teh evil Zionists" in every second sentence, is a prime example. By all means, spread it wide! Let the idiocy speak for itself! 81.5.104.39 13:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
I would generally agree. But I would take it a step further: do not give them a platform, and then ignore them. You have to respond to them (in the opinion section, of course). A proper response entails some sort of argument; not simply dismissing them as "idiots". Also, one should be careful not to dismiss all things merely associated with Nazism as "idiocy", simply because it is associated. Although no one has done so here, to my knowledge (although the rampant dismissal of all critique of zionism, simply because it happens to also be associated with Nazis, is kinda lame), I find it necessary to point this out as well. Criticism of the Federal Reserve, which is associated with both Nazism (apparently) and Austro-libertarianism, would be another potential target of those who subscribe to the package-deal fallacy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.213.138 (talk) 22:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

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I bet that the person who wrote this news item is the so-called commander. Of course Wikinews doesn't necessarily vet these articles, there just isn't enough people writing for Wikinews. However, this article makes me want to avoid Wikinews like the plague. 59.101.186.198 03:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

commander? obongo?

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I'm a little bit confused, I really don't get why this guy is on here, and why he gets a public forum to talk about his "views".

To make sth. clear, I'm from Austria, I'm a little concerned when I see all those Flags with Nazi signs on them, here in Austria we are not allowed to promote Nazism.


To get to the Point: Who is this commander? Is he any kind of commander of any army (besides his own, self promoted stuff)? I mean if not, I am available for an Interview, just call me god and I'm good with it.

Secondly, there is this Obongo word. I don't know, maybe the Interviewer can take a look at that, was that what he said or is this a typo??


This is not in any kind news needed to be published, I think that's the wrong kind of sign we send to people about collaboration and wikinews...


so I just went to the wikipedia. this amazing national socialist bla... has only a tiny entry in the wikipedia, and their website looks... well let's say pretty much WW2. This Interview with this guy, and esp. in the tone it's made is at least in my mind simply wrong. It's glorifying and promoting. I would be against it if you'd have an interview with Ronald Mc. Donalds (or insert any other company here), and it's the same here.


This article is neither sourced nor neutral. could please some mod delete this sh..? Or AT LEAST participate in the discussion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatshouldIsay (talkcontribs) 11:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

It is original reporting, so it doesn't need sources - just OR notes.
We irregularly interview fringe politicians, the big guns won't talk to us. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
If you want to raise an issue and get the regulars to participate/discuss, then really that is what the talk page is for, whereas here you just post your views. To respond generally, the public needs to have these things presented clearly to them so they can decide for themselves what/who to believe/follow. If you want to contact the Nazi party they will happily confirm the interview as reported; you cannot source something when you are the original source. And, yes, Obongo is not a typo.
Laws concerning Nazism and related speech are different in the US. Austria, as you say, outright bans Nazism, as does Germany. I'm not sure if the UK does, but there have other laws in the UK that individually ban most of their views and ideas. Schoep is on the no-entry list for Britain. I'm not sure what the laws are like elsewhere, but certainly the US is lax. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Commander ? ? ?

Of what ? ? ?

Star Trek or a bunch of silly boys playing "Mister Dress-Up" . . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.12.161 (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

The guy might appear more credible without the dopey uniform. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.12.161 (talk) 01:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

There are at least two other Nazi Parties

  • American Nazi Party www.americannaziparty.com
  • National Socialist American Labor Party www.nsalp.org

The NSALP Party seems to be the most political and is not based on race and has a web site that has a lot of political and economic material. From what I can see there is a differance, some of these groups are really just white sepratists, while others like the nsalp are actually National Socialists in a political sense and has political positions on a large variety of issues.

I also fould a cashed web site of another group called the National Socialist Order, but it seemed to bee a off shoot of Schoeps group who left because they were upset at Schoeps moral failings, apparent he left his wife and children and moved in with another woman leaving the mother of his children. They seemed to think this fell into the catagory of conduct like minorities that Schoep attacks. hardly traditional National Socialist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.221.197 (talk) 18:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Common sense policies for a better America!

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[Image:http://www.britishfirstparty.org/newsimages/cannock1.jpg]I do not know much about American politics. However, I echo the commander’s stance on Israel. Living in Great Britain and running the British First Party, I understand perfectly the need to put our own citizens first. Support for Israel has been the ruination of the United States and Great Britain. Many of the problems that face America and the United Kingdom would evaporate like the dawn mist if our people had the courage to lift there head above the parapet and stand up and be counted like the commander has.

Today our nations face a foe more dangerous because he dwells within, and a situation no less grave because to all it is not yet visible. We have been divided and we have been conquered because by division of the Aryan alone we can be conquered. Class against class, faction against faction, party against party, interest against interest, man against man, and brother against brother has been the tactic of the warfare by which the Aryan in the modern age for the first time in their history have been subdued. We have been defeated, too, at a moment in our history when the world was at our feet, because the heritage won for us by the heroism of our fore fathers in two world wars affords to Aryans the genius of modern science, and the new and unprecedented triumph of the human mind, an opportunity of material achievement leading, through the gift of economic freedom, to a higher spiritual civilisation than mankind in the long story of the human race has yet witnessed. But for the moment the Aryans are defeated and acquiescence in defeat means the end. On the one hand, continued lethargy can lead only to unlimited chaos, ending in ultimate destruction, and, on the other, new effort can open before us a vista of unparalleled and unlimited opportunity. We offer the Aryan people through the British First Party and in America, The National socialist Movement, the opportunity to challenge the verdict of history and once again inscribe our names on all that is great and good about our national psyche. Humanity can never stand still, and at this moment more than any other in our history the alternatives before our great nations are heroism or oblivion. That is the question that must be answered as the noon day clock of this epoch strikes and for which every factor and symptom of the current situation presses decision. Is it now possible by a supreme effort of the Aryan spirit and the human will to arrest what in the light of all past history would appear to be the course of destiny itself? We have reached the period, by every indication available to the intellect, at which each civilisation of the past has begun to traverse that downward path to the dust and ashes from which their glory has never returned.

Every fatal symptom of the past is present in the modern situation, from the uprooting of the people's contact with the soil to the development of usury and the rule of money power, accompanied by social decadence and alien vice that flaunts itself in the face of our youth are all precursors of decline.

I believe Britain and America shall both be great again. Both the commander and I (Kevin Quinn – British First Party) have the desire to arrest our national decline and build societies based on core values and shared beliefs in social justice. It can be achieved but only with the will of the people. For Britain and Americans united are invincible and together we can build a new civilisation that shall be the glory and the travail of the ages to come. We can offer you ittle in exchange other than the deep rooted belief that we are doing something so that two great countries will live again.


Kevin Quinn

British First Party

National Socialist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.235.178 (talk) 00:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)Reply


You sir, much like the Commander, are an asshat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.12.230.196 (talk) 17:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Do you take mushrooms before you hit the keyboard? --Brian McNeil / talk 23:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Commander *snorts* Schoep, even in his most polished responses, is an illogical ass. In his response to Obama becoming the president he wrote, "We are white, therefore we are the leaders." What kind of person would think that makes sense? It is a completely illogical jump, and shows how dumbfounded he is by the rhetoric of his party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.103.191.187 (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

"I believe Britain and America shall both be great again."
Trump2016: Make America Great Again! Britain too!
(Caution, this comment may contain traces of satire.) 69.113.198.73 (talk) 06:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

THIS NAZI PERSON

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MAN STOP TRYING TO PUT OBAMA DOWN WE ARWE PROUD THAT A MAN OF OUR RACE IS PRESIDENT THIS IS A HISTORIC MOMMENT YOUR STUPID PEOPLE ARE MESSING EVERYTHING UP NOBODY CARE ABOUT NAZIS ANYMORE HITLER DID ENOUGH DAMAGE PERSONALLY I LOVE ALL RRELIGIONS JEWS AND CRISTIAN DONT MATTER WHAT MATTERS IS THE INSIDE NOT THERE RELIGION AND IM GOING TO TELL YOU NOW MAN GOD DONT LIKE UGLY AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT NAZI'S ARE UGLY.OBAMA IS GOING TO BE THE BEST PRESIDENT THIS NATION HAS EVER HAD HE IS A SMART INTELLIGENT BLACK MAN HE IS A STRONG BLACK MAN SO DONT BE MAD BECAUSE NOW ITS OUR TIME TO SHINE AND HE IS THE ONE THAT GOD HAS CHOSE TO SHINE FOR ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS.

SAME PERSON

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OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA IS THE REAL DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.108.96.18 (talk) 18:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)Reply


What I don't get, honestly, is why nearly every single one of you either says he's an idiot for being racist (hint: everyone is a little intolerant of something, I don't like city people for example) and yet ignore his politics. I don't give a shit if he's racist, nor do I care if he's clinging to the nostalgia of the Third Reich and possibly how incredibly kinky Nazi uniforms are in the bedroom. (they are) All I care about, in this case, is his political stances. I probably really do not agree with the socialist part, but the nationalist part I do agree with. I think the "America First" agenda is awesome, as we're really sliding into the same bracket as all those countries we pay money for so they don't devolve into anarchy. Plus, what business do we even have messing with other countries in the first place? So people are starving in Africa, too bad, people starve here too. It's like having a pet; you pamper it and feed it for so long and eventually, if lost or it runs away, your pet will be unable to fend for itself. Your beloved lapdog will not return because it died because you eroded it's ability to be autonomous.

So I fully support his America First policy. Do I give a shit about Israel or Jews in general? No, that's their own thing to worry about. In my opinion, the biggest problem the world has, my country (United States, in case anybody didn't gather that) has, is that everyone's noses is jammed so far up everyone else's noses that it has become uncomfortable and even worse; fashionable. Oh! Save this, do this, care about that, worry about that. I've got my own problems, and they're mine to deal with. I keep to my own business because that's how I was raised and that's how I style myself. I was reluctant to even post this, but I feel it may benefit some. I probably won't get to see any of comments in response as I'm forgetful and I have to leave to find a job in five minutes. I just hope somebody might understand why he has his views, at least politically, and perhaps learn to not be so dismissive of somebody because they don't agree with you. Think now, replace "Jew" with some other demographic, who can't you stand? I assure you if you think hard enough, you will discover you're just as ignorant as he is.

It does matter if it's racism, sexism, or some other ism, we all share a disdain for the different.--64.90.84.103 12:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Commander Schoep is a complete idiot.

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I read his article with horror and realised that some fools still believe in Hitler's complete and utter twaddle. You cannot wipe out the Jews just because you don't agree with them. It's like saying let's kill all the Italians because too much pizza makes you fat. There will be no peace in the world until true Christianity is embraced by every living soul, anybody with half an ounce of common sense knows this. Leslie Julian Luker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.249.131 (talk) 12:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

You clearly didn't read the article. The party opposses zionists which are evil people. Both extreme right wing AND High ranking rabiis agree that a zionist is NOT a jew.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.209.241.193 (talkcontribs)

Keep fighting the good fight brother know that there are many like you and were just looking for a leader to leads us to RaHoWa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.44.246 (talk) 05:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Hail the Feurer

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Keep fighting the good fight brother there are many like you waiting for a leader to lead us to RaHoWa WE WIL RISE AGAINSunday, December 7, 2008

When are you people going to open your eyes

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do you see my white people u will keep on trying to oppose the racially aware white citizens you motherfuckers always talking about us descrimating against other races but you descrimate against your own white people just the same way see it seem that we are more alike then you think or you may never realize it until our race is at the brink of extiction just know one day the white race will awaken from it slumber and purify the land from all the darkness that has shadow this land for far to long

Disguise

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He has a point on multiple issues, renewable energy, Israel being a destabilising influence on the middle east and the illegality of Guantanamo Bay. If his party was willing to change the name, drop the costume and hide the hatred they could probably appeal to a greater segment of the electorate.

The only thing stopping people like the commander ever getting elected is that their hatred is so all-consuming that they cannot disguise or hide it. At the very least we should applaud him for his honesty, a person with less integrity would try and get elected with false promises, and cheap platitudes and then unleash the bigotry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KTo288 (talkcontribs)

Trump2016! 69.113.198.73 (talk) 06:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

National Socialism

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I hope people recognize the difference between leftist socialism and right-wing National Socialism (ie Nazism). --Poisonous (talk) 01:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Disgusted, Appalled

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I am disgusted and appalled that someone has the galls to put this up on Wikipedia. The simple existence of this page is, and forever will be, a stain on the Wikipedia movement. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 06:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

I am disgusted and appalled that Arbiteroftruth is not only too stupid to recognise that s/he cannot counter a movement's views if they don't understand them, thus making the interview useful even to an oponent, but has not even worked out that Wikipedia is over there and this is Wikinews. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 15:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

He talks a good argument

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He may be a "nazi", but in reality you can see he is an intelligent man. His ideas for the economy make sense. Furthermore he talks about the problem of israel, which is very real.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.209.241.193 (talkcontribs)

I belive that if anyone read this, and ignored the common "Nazi" stereotypes, they would agree that this is the best thing for america —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.171.245 (talk) 23:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Barack husaine Obama

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i think obama is giving the green cards to ilegile aliens because he wants to fight back

Lumpkin County High School student agrees with nsm88 cumander

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i agree with the cumander about Obama and i should be president if i was in the NSM88 i would setle things my way

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Schoep seems to be very intelligent and articulate. His policies seem to be very well thought out and surprisingly make perfect sense. If people would just let go of their preconceived notions of "nazis" this country could be a much better place of people leading productive and peaceful lives. —75.203.61.30 (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)Reply

The real Nazis are dead.

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I find it hard to believe that Wikipedia would publish something this ignorant and narrow minded. I find it hard to believe that there are still people supporting the idea of a "National Socialist Party" in America because anyone who lives in American and has an IQ above 30 knows that the extreme majority of Americans despise Nazis and there supporters, and who could blame them. America is a country that's core values are equality, religious freedom, and tolerance from those who are different from us and although our Government and citizens in the past have not have reflected these values i believe that in today's world America does. The NSM will never win an election on any level in America because American's citizens won't allow these ignorant, simple minded Hitler freaks to hold political office. The insane belief that the NSM will somehow mirror the Nazi party of Germany just proves that the people involved and behind the movement are living in some fantasy world. There are no more real Nazis they have all been dead for a while and the sooner these Hitler Wonna-bes realize that, the sooner they can stop wasting there time trying to imitate a group of people who have already been killed off.


I find it hard to believe that you are so ignorant you don't know that you aren't even on Wikipedia. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)Reply

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The Party is a bunch of frustrated fools full of vanity —204.85.66.81 (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

F***in' nazi. what kind of idiot supports a group of people that killed over 6,000,000 me, women and children because they were either gypsies, hadicapped, black, or Jewish. i can't believe wikinews wanted to interview this b**ch. tell that commander of crackheads to go f**** himself.

Funny

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I found this Wikinews article while researching several subjects.

Reading the comments makes me question who harbors the most hate, Commander Schoep, or those of you on here spewing bile. Most of you seem to be so hung up on the word "Nazi" that you have no desire to look any deeper than the tips of your noses. While I am not a National Socialist, I am willing to at least listen.

I imagine many commenting here are the highest form of hypocrites, preaching "tolerance", "tolerance", all of the time, while violently spewing bile at anything that does not fit into your worldview. It's funny, actually, in a way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.67.15.114 (talkcontribs) 02:48, 28 April 2011

NATIONAL SOCIALIST MOVEMENT CONDEMNS PRESIDENT OBAMA'S ABUSE OF EXECUTIVE POWER FOR IMMIGRATION

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PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE EMAIL: — PHONE: —

On November 20th, 2014, United States President Barack Obama issued a statement trumpeting his executive action aimed at streamlining immigration. The National Socialist Movement (—) believes that, not only are such orders tantamount to 'amnesty' for illegal immigrants (aliens), but such an executive order will be additionally divisive to the already divided American Congress.

This is the truly defining issue of our generation. Such mass amnesty is the key to implementing the entire globalist agenda in the United States as well as around the world. If the legalized attack of nonindigenous peoples is not beaten back, America risks wide-scale bloodshed that will almost certainly cause the situation to degrade into ethnic conflict as it has in other corners of the Earth.

This is not a 'white-only' issue, but of vital interest to various non-white ethnic groups. Inherent prime agendas can be put aside for the time it takes to stop the unseating of the power structure by such an unconscionable action.

Mass amnesty is in fact a declaration of war on White America, and an effrontery by the Obama Administration towards law-abiding citizens in this country. Republicans are caving in to Obama, in the pathetic notion that by catering to Latinos they will somehow hold onto power. Amnesty will not be tolerated by the American people, and those who promote the destruction of our sovereignty must be pursued to the fullest extent of the law until they are caught and punished.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.2.218.5 (talkcontribs) 10:15, 28 November 2014