Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/archives/2018/February


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I noticed in Google News there doesn't seem to be any recent Wikinews stories, the latest one I found (search term: "wikinews") is from January 8th: Saudi Arabia: Princes arrested after protesting austerity. I don't know if this is an issue with Google or Wikinews, or on my own end, so I figured I'd bring it up. —mikemoral (talk) 07:03, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I see the same, alongside Mysterious dimming of Tabby's star likely due to space dust, not alien superstructures, say scientists (not logged into Google). —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:10, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I observe the same problem, regardless of whether I'm logged into google. --Pi zero (talk) 17:13, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Mikemoral: I suppose someone should inquire of them? --Pi zero (talk) 20:24, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi zero: Who got in contact with Google to get Wikinews listed? I come across their how to guide for getting listed in the first place, but I would imagine this process was done already. —mikemoral (talk) 20:57, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Mikemoral: I think that was brianmc. --Pi zero (talk) 20:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Pi zero: Perhaps we could ask Brian about it, or someone can perhaps try getting in touch directly with Google, setting it up again if needed. Some searching indicates Google recently delisted many publishers, perhaps on accident, on the 8th, which is the date of the Saudi prince article (Google forum link). Perhaps this is an issue that stems from that. It might be the case we got accidentally delisted, but were never put back up. —mikemoral (talk) 07:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikemoral: As an alternative to the accidental explanation for such large-scale delisting, Google may have been trying to tighten up on "fake news". Either way, they may be waiting to see if someone misses it and inquires. Brian could tell us either who he talked to, or (less likely I'd guess) who of us talked to them. When Brian came by a few months back I think he told me what email is mostly likely to reach him; I could look it up if you think it would be useful, though lately I've not been having much luck getting a response from him via email. As I recall, the contact that roused him to that activity was a phone call from one of us (not me). --Pi zero (talk) 11:53, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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On non-profit news

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2018/02/12/nonprofits-increasingly-central-future-news/Justin (koavf)TCM 10:55, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When is a news story ready to publish?

https://www.propublica.org/article/ask-ppil-how-do-journalists-know-when-a-story-is-ready#140384Justin (koavf)TCM 01:21, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote about a criminal. Can the information be included here?

I wrote about a criminal who was tried back in 2008, though the article is being considered for deletion due to lack of notability. On the other hand, I understand that this isn’t a depository for rejected articles, particularly ones that ‘had nothing to do with current affairs’. I don’t know if you lot have some sort of expiration date for news stories.

Could some of the content be salvaged and migrated here, or is it entirely unsuitable for inclusion? — Romanophile (talk) 15:24, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Romanophile: It looks as if that would be historical information (unless I've missed something; see below). Our inclusion criteria here say that at the time of publication a news article has to be about a current event, something that just happened within the past day or two (three days at the outside); our term-of-art is freshness. We describe a news article as a "snapshot in time"; our archives, going back well over a decade, are a sort of photo album of snapshots in time, and we greatly value them, but still, each new photo added to the album has to be fresh at the moment it is added.

If something new were to happen in the case, meeting our freshness criterion, there's a good chance it would clear our relevance criterion which is more tolerant than Wikipedia's notability. --Pi zero (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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