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He's done way more then a month and seems like a nice person. He's been on almost everyday for the last two months (look at contribs) and I feel him to be pretty trustwrothy. Also there's not enough new admins recently. I belive he'd make a good admin. Bawolff ☺☻ 17:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Out of curiosity, whats wrong with having lots of admins. I heard a quote once - "Adminship should be no big thing" (or something like that; don't know who said it). I always thought of adminship as giving the tools that ideally everyone should have, but if WoW or another Vandal got them, we'd be in BIG trouble. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It was Jimbo Wales, the quote is here. The only question I think you need to ask of a potential admin is "do I trust him?". User:Dan100 (Talk) 10:45, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: I don't agree with whatever Jimbo says, with all due respect. So quotes won't work on me. There is an opposition group in the community against all administrators, which will undoubtedly grow less civil with a recent event, which is why I don't want to drag anyone into any of this at this time. We're keeping up on the spam and vandalism, which is after all the only thing administrators are actually required for. --MrMiscellanious – Happy Hanukkah – 22:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't asking you to agree, I was just sourcing the quote for Baw's benefit :-), although it's a concept I subscribe to wholeheartedly. Although I won't be voting as I don't know Nyarlathotep. User:Dan100 (Talk) 00:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Bah, well get back here so you can get to know the new members better! :P --MrMiscellanious – Happy Hanukkah – 00:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, Here is the debate in question ( see also ). MateoP wanted to use the title "Some candidates for president may be involved in drug trafficking", which is about a national election, but does not identify the nation. I'm not really sure what I could have done diffrently to encourage wikipeace. Nyarlathotep 10:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not referring to that, I changed the title, didn't I? I'm referring to when you said, quote, "I might not even read an article on a poll about two names I'd never heard of before, but I would read an article about a presidential race in Haiti. So it may be to your advantage to identify Haiti while saying "British Prime Minister Tony Blair ..." may just bore people into not reading the article." The implication is that leaders / important people of some countries do not need to identify what country they are from while some others do. You are pushing a policy of eurocentrism on Wikinews and that goes against the idea of wikis. Oppose changed to strong oppose. --MateoP 18:35, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Another point, if you will notice here, user Nyarlathotep linked to discussion on my talk page that had nothing to do with the issue (he was not even involved). This was nothing but an attempt to discredit me personally. An admin should not resolve issues by trying to discredit users. An admin should be looking for a resolution that fits with policy and accomodation. Using ad hominem logical fallacies should not be part of being an admin. So even in his nomination post, user Nyarlathotep shows why he is not qualified. I highly recommend that people reconsider their support and future people to consider whether this is the type of person who should have this specific responsibility. --MateoP 18:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also notice here; Talk:2003 National Adult Literacy Survey Released that this title is as vague as the one user Nyarlathotep had a problem with, and although Nyarlathotep clearly read and contributed in peer review of the article, he did not have a problem with its title. Again, referring back to the above, Nyarlathotep does not believe that Wikinews is a global website. He believes that some countries have different standards for titles than others. --MateoP 18:45, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Titles should be as unique as possible. As for the National adult litracy survey released, whats stopping you from renaming it? Bawolff☺☻ 21:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have renamed things but User Deprifry makes messages on my talk page demanding that I fix redirects. That's a lot of work for someone have to do when it is someone else's fault that the name is incorrect. The policy is stacked to discourage participation. This isn't about me, i'm not requesting adminship. This is about user Nyarlathotep, who as I've demonstrated, has a eurocentric bias and doesn't agree that Titles should be as unique as possible, for example he says that Tony Blair of the United Kingdom and George W. Bush of the United States do not need their country's in titles while other non-western leaders do. See here: User talk:MateoP#Eurocentrism. He also showed himself to be a bit of an out-there extremist in that discussion, but I guess that's likely not relevant. As you have clearly demonstrated, user Nyarlathotep would not be reliable to enforce policy because he disagrees with it. --MateoP 22:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Where did I "demand" that you fix redirects? --Deprifry|+T+ 22:32, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant to the discussion of adminship for user Nyarlathotep. Wikinews:administrators is not a discussion board. Ask in user talk pages, thanks. --MateoP 22:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody's perfect. Its not like he told you to not rename it without the country. I bet you don't check every title published on wn to see if there's country bias in it. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
1)I'm not requesting adminship. 2)Him not checking every article is not my problem. He specifically said that it is ok for some figures to not have country's named and some it's not ok. Specifically the western figures don't need to be named by country and others do. That's eurocentrism and a violation of the spirit of a global wikinews and arguably NPOV. Any eurocentric admin should be denied, without a doubt. --MateoP 05:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
He never said that "western figures" doesn't need be named by country. He said that people like Tony Blair or George W. Bush, who is probably the most famous living person, don't need to be named because they are known globally. And he also said OTOH, the U.S. speaker of the house Dennis Hastert clearly needs to be identified, as at least an american representative, since nobody knows who he is, dispite the fact that he occupies what is maybe the most important position for a U.S. representative. [1]. So you are, misleadingly, omitting key parts of his point. --Deprifry|+T+ 11:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember claiming that he said "all western figures" can be omitted. The point is that he thinks titles don't have to be consistent, and as a result he supports a eurocentric main page. That's wrong, and anyone who feels that way should not be admin. People here's willingness to ignore it shows that they have no values themselves. --MateoP 15:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a little bit tired right now, but I don't see that anywhere. Could you please provide linky? Bawolff ☺☻ 06:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Here's 2 quotes, "So it may be to your advantage to identify Haiti while saying 'British Prime Minister Tony Blair ...' may just bore people into not reading the article." from Talk:Some candidates for president in Haiti may be involved in drug trafficking#Article title and "Everyone has heard of some people, not everyone has heard of some others. Sorry, that is just reality. Blair is clearly a special case, as he made an ass of himself & Britian alongside the U.S. & Bush for a long time." from User talk:MateoP#Eurocentrism. Clearly an example of ethnocentrism parroted as everyone has heard of this person from my culture, no one has heard of people from yours or another. Name the country for that "other" culture, please. --MateoP 15:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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