Sannse

AFAIK IRC logs are public domain, please revert. Onymous 81.217.21.244 13:27, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The channels #Wikipedia and #Wikimedia have a policy of no public logging. It is also polite to ask permission from those involved before quoting them publically. -- Sannse 13:29, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Please cite a source for this policy. If your answer is "Jimbo says so", that's OK - he's the ultimate authority, but otherwise it seems strange that prominent Wikipedia contributors making comments in a publically available forum have an expectation of privacy.

<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC#IRC_channels>. HTH, Kate.

If folks want to make a stink about this, I'm sure Wikinews will abide by their wishes, but I find invoking "copyright" to suppress reporting on this story rather odd, coming from such prominent proponents of a GFDL project.

(And after reading the log, it seems rather counter-productive to raise a stink about this anyways.)

Regards,

— DV 14:18, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

m:IRC_channels lists #wikimedia as one of the channels that is not to be publicly logged. Although the more carefully explicit prohibition on logging on that page only refers to #wikipedia, there has always been an understanding that the same applied on #wikimedia (and the other channels listed as no logging in the table). It was a mistake not to make this more explicit, and one that I will correct shortly. My own comments relate to the social norms of that channel and basic politeness in not publishing logs without permission rather than copyright - I don't have Jamesday's knowledge of the intricacies of copyright law. I'm sure Jimbo will be willing to make his own views clear on this when he is around -- Sannse 14:40, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification.

It's our loss if the page is blanked, as it isn't often we get a chance to gain some insight into the thinking of this project's founder and other prominent contributors.

I respect the legalistic and ethical arguments, but I was hoping that the benefit of this log would allow the authors to put aside their objections for the benefit of Wikinews.

The strong nature of the request, invoking copyright, wiretapping laws, etc., just seems a bit overkill, when a simple request without invoking all of those threatening terms would have been enough.

If there is something embarrasing or otherwise offensive in the log (I don't see anything) I could better understand this request.

I hope James and you don't have hard feelings towards Onymous over this.

Thanks for stopping by Wikinews.

— DV 14:44, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

My request was a simple one, I have only minimal knowledge of the copyright side of this. I certainly don't have any hard feelings here and, of course, this is a lot less about the actual content of this conversation than the whole question of publishing logs from the channels -- Sannse 17:48, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for patiently trying to clarify what is going with this deletion request. I hope the next time you visit Wikinews, it will be under more pleasant circumstances. — DV 17:56, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)