Manifestus

1. Idiotic laws do not give you right to offend a whole country, especially a country which is to be insulted for any western mass media mishearing.

2. Though idiotic, this law does not force to stone gays and lesbians and even does not completely ban homosexuality propaganda, you can mark it with 18+ and show what you want.

3. This law is not Putin's obscurantism, it came up from the civic society and supported by majority of Russian and other peoples in the world (see any unbiased statistics as well as your own society several decades ago). Maybe it is the most democratic law ever adopted in this world's region.

4. I am not agree with this majority, though being heterosexual, I think this law pushes emotions over the common sense. But as a famous Russian poet said, I frankly hate my motherland but I feel sad when a foreigner shares with me this opinion.

Thus,

1. If you feel stung by this law you should blame not Russian government but Russian people. 2. If you blame Russian people, you are fascist and russophobe and [...imagine the worst insults here...]

So you have no choice besides seeing any country positive, hating your own motherland (if you have enough IQ to do it properly) and let native people struggle for their rights within the cell membrane of the land.

P.S. Supporting the boycott, boycotting it myself, vodka = poison. Drink Russian Kvass.

213.208.170.194 (talk)07:50, 8 August 2013

1. Yes they do. A country's laws represent their values, therefore I am allowed to judge a country based on their laws. Thus, if I find their values reprehensible I am given the right to offend them by boycotting. Also, USA, therefore I can offend anyone I wish, first amendment FTW.

2. Makes homosexual relationships illegal, "It could be worse" is not an argument. Btw, their definition of homosexual propaganda consists of anything homosexual.

3. My society several decades ago was several decades ago. Obvious but had to be said. As we now allow minorities and women to vote, clearly our society has advanced. Here's a idea, look up the countries that have antihomosexual laws, then compare that list with countries that have terrible human rights records. Just because a bunch of other places are doing it does NOT make it right or acceptable.

4. Heh, famous poet. You hate your country but loathe foreigners who express disagreement with it's laws. My nation right or wrong is a dangerous idea that tends to lead to bad things.


1. If the Russian people are responsible for these laws, then of course we will blame them, it's their fault. It is not fascist, word makes no sense in this context, perhaps you meant something else. And judging a people based on their actions is the exact opposite of phobic. I do not disagree with them because they are Russian, I disagree with them because they are wrong.

"So you have no choice besides seeing any country positive, hating your own motherland (if you have enough IQ to do it properly) and let native people struggle for their rights within the cell membrane of the land." Interesting statement, hard to understand. You seem to think that we automatically hate other countries. or not, sentence is really confusing. You also think that an intelligent person should hate their own nation, which says a lot about either you or Russia, and should ignore the rest of the world. Well, welcome to the modern age, ignoring the rest of the world fell out of favor after WW2. Tried it then and it ended poorly, Russia doesn't want people to judge them then they should completely sever ties with everyone else. We'll still judge them, but you won't hear about it.

Special:Contributions/Dagordae (talk)18:29, 8 August 2013