What part of Facebook's TOS did the removal fall under?
"hateful, threatening, pornographic, or that contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence."
Yeah I'm just a little confused into what realm Facebook believe this guys actions fell into. The closed groups were not furthering violent attacks, and only 1 of them was commending his actions. Of the 3 remaining they seemed to just be applauding or siding with his thinking and reasoning behind his attack, after reading his message I too could sympathise with him and, to a degree, even agree with his thoughts.
Seems like Facebook are jumping the gun on this one in banning the groups.
I believe they are only guidelines, and that groups can be removed at Facebook's discretion. I would say hateful fits the best of the reasons listed above, but some of the groups could also have been construed as threatening.
Hateful, probably. Threatening on a secondary note. Could claim that the groups were sponsoring domestic terrorism or some such non-sense.
Remember, it is at Facebook's discretion. In other words, they have the right to delete anything they feel like, provided they claim they felt it came under these options.
The only guidelines they really need to pay attention to is how the users feel. This seems like something that whips Facebook users into a whiny frenzy. Expect cries of "free speech". Yeah, anyway, Facebook can do whatever it wants... sort of. I just realized that if they deleted groups pertaining to gay rights they might lose a rather hefty lawsuit. So yes, Facebook has the right to do whatever they want on their site, except sometimes that it infringes upon other rights.
So no, they simultaneously don't have the right to do this. The proof lies with whomever wins the biggest lawsuits. I LOVE DEMOCRA - I MEAN LOBBYCRACY
I can think of no obvious reason why anyone could sue Facebook over this. The only right it infringes is free speech, which does not apply on Facebook since they have the right to remove content on their own service.
Technically, you don't even have the "Right" of free speech. By using Facebook, you agree to their T&C's. Freedom of speech and press applies to your own, not via another service. Same as it always has been with newspapers. You can write up a flier and post it saying what ever the hell you please, but if you request a newspaper run it, they can turn you do. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 22:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I know, I know. To try to put it more clearly, I was referring to a double standard in which one can have freedom of speech but at the same time have it prohibited in almost any circumstance. Even calling someone a name could earn you a hefty punishment.
It depends where you do it, I think. If you call somebody a name in real life or over the phone, the worst they can do it hit you. If you post derogatory comments online, where anybody in the world can see them, then a hefty punishment is not only expected, but also—in my opinion—appropriate. If one's comments are warranted (calling Bin Laden "an evil terrorist", for example) or stem from differing viewpoints ("Gordon Brown is a bad prime minister"; "Charles Darwin was wrong about evolution"), then it is not right to punish them for it, but in the case of applauding the actions of this man—who is nothing more than a terrorist, whatever he and his supporters choose to call him—Facebook were certainly right to remove the comments.
Most of the groups did not applaud the actions, they applauded the thoughts. I have no comment on those without reading them carefuly and thinking it over, but it is important not to dismiss his points merely because of the murderous way in which he chose to make them. I often agree with the words of dictators; it does not mean I support them.
Censorship! Hateful? Threatening? That is, if any one person from a group suggests we should start diving planes into buildings, the entire group is taken out? What about all the others who want to voice their opinions? For sure this is not the right forum. For sure traditional media isn't too. I have seen the manifesto on some papers, but allways accompained by the word "Insane". Well there is almost nothing insane in that manifesto at all. Insanity is the censorship, the bias, the sell-out american spirit of today.