Treatment of Amy Scobee after publication of her book, ''Scientology - Abuse at the Top'' ?

What do you think about the treatment of Amy Scobee after publication of her book, Scientology - Abuse at the Top ? This has included surveillance, Scientology's intelligence agency the Office of Special Affairs enforcement of her status as "Suppressive Person", threatened with separate lawsuits from Bertram Fields, lawyer for Tom Cruise, and from Tommy Davis representing Scientology management, and being repeatedly referred to as "The Adulteress", in the Scientology propaganda publication, Freedom Magazine. Thoughts?

I'm just as intrigued by the involvment of law firm Carter-Ruck in the UK. This is the same firm that attempted to enforce a super injunction regarding the dumping of toxic waste by 'Trafigura' off the the Ivory Coast, then wrote a strongly worded letter to Iain Hislop - Editor of 'Private eye' magazine and panelist on BBC satirical show 'Have I got news for you' for publishing news on the Trafiguras illegal activity regardless. It seems this law firm only deals with undesirables in the extreme but also, given the fact that the BBC has basically ignored Carter-Ruck and made them look like twats on 2 occasions now, perhaps the vastly wealthy church of scientology should look elsewhere for their legal backing in future HAHA.

Very very interesting! Some other intriguing info, at article: Carter-Ruck.

"Due to its allegedly immoral actions, the firm is frequently referred to as 'Carter-Fuck' by the satirical magazine Private Eye." Nice to see mature debate is still the cornerstone of British ideals HAHA

When you see the kind of thing this 'church' does to defectors such as calling her 'the adultress' seem on the surface to be childish and the kind of thing you could just laugh off. However this is just some of the mental abuse the church is accused of. I can imagine how awful it must be to be shunned by ur family etc. You would think that this is not the type of behaviour that a religous group would endorse. However; shunning and the like to family members who have been deemed to have disrespected their religion or married a protastant when you're a catholic type thing goes on in 'real' religions also. Not that I'm defending scientology as a whole.

"Shunning", a comparable practice to other organizations, perhaps. But probably less so, maintenance of such policy through use of private investigators and a sub-division of the organization serving as its intelligence agency, the Office of Special Affairs.

That is where the differences between Scientology, a 'normal' religion, and even many cults become important.

Passive methods of dealing with anyone who has left a religion (or indeed a corporation, cult, or political organization) are common. Active methods of dealing with defectors are not. Even among the most vicious companies it is uncommon to file a lawsuit against a former employee that has left (so much so that when HP recently did just that to their former CEO it made international news), as long as the employees don't divulge (legal) classified information (if it's secret information about illegal actives that's obviously different). Even most political organizations (in developed nations at least) don't engage in active suppression of former members. It's not unheard of, but it's rare.

But although active harassment of former members exists in other institutions in the developed world, I've never heard of another organization that is as brutal to former members as is Scientology. They're cruel in a most unusual way. I don't think it would be stretching the truth to suggest that Scientology has more in common with certain third world dictatorships than it does with any modern religion, political movement, or corporation.

Gopher65 makes some very wise statements, above.

It's all very interesting. Since the greatest danger arguably of the entire organisation is their legitimacy in the eyes of the law or their attempts to make this so. Many positions of employment require a confidentiality agreement to be signed so that you dont try and sell sensitive material on the internet, say the results of research before it is published or copyright protected. Does the 'church' have a similar system and do you know historically what their success rate is in hushing former members in court?

Mcchino64, the organization does have "confidentiality agreements", but they do not really hold up in court, as they are generally usually coerced at the time of signing, with threats of sign or never talk to your family again, etc.

Extremes of punishment and reward were amply demonstrated by Pavlov in the last century, and have been used on humans and animals since the beginning of time to enslave them, and keep them so off-balance that they cannot plan a revolt. It serves a larger purpose of addicting them to an abusive social pecking order, and getting the abused to volitionally carry the same practices out on others. Every family, religion, and nation is rife with examples of this same abuse, in varying forms.

When L. Ron Hubbard was initially contemplating the creation of this fiction, he'd made a bet with his buddies that he could create a religion. Being a writer needing finances, he made sure to set his cult up as a tithe-paying religion. Unfortunately, he was more successful than he'd originally dreamed, and no good can come from the Big Lie. Hitler proved that; so did the Inquisition.

Amy was in a prime position to learn all the inside dirt and reveal it, which is so very essential, because this cult is still denying and white-washing murders that they've caused to be carried out on former members, and they've got to be exposed. If Hitler had been repeatedly, nationally exposed as he was forming his core group of henchmen, perhaps he might not have come to power and caused the murders of many millions of people. But that didn't happen, because he got to do his dirty work in the dark, and his evil grew strong.

Amy is very brave to reveal her own flaws, desires, and vanities in the telling of this story, which makes it more compelling. It wouldn't have had the ring of truth if she'd tried to hide it. I applaud her great courage in revealing that this cult, which was really the sum, love, and foundation of her entire life, was a complete fraud, that robbed her of her childhood, innocence, family love and ties, and the friendships formed over a lifetime. It stripped her of her compassion for others and herself, and made her a slave. Until she began to confront these lies, she stayed a slave. This is more than breakthrough ... it's a jailbreak.

Amy, please keep telling this story, all over the world, and to everyone who will listen. Tell it with interpreters for the deaf, and foreign language interpreters, as well as to English-speaking audiences. Get the book printed in other languages for distribution, particularly Spanish, for the Spanish population here at home. Everyone needs to see them as you see them, from the inside out. Then they'll pay more attention to the murders that they've caused to be committed, because they'll understand that lies corrupt character, and a corrupt character can be capable of anything as a means to an end.

You've learned how to produce from them. Now produce their downfall. It's time they reap what they've sown. And Amy, research the murders and protect yourself. They like to set things up to look like drug overdoses.

cameowalkin - just saw this post today and wanted to thank you. I am continuing to expose their criminality.

The Rest of the Story.... Cameowalkin, You fail to realize that almost EVERY statement you just made about AMY as a victim, Can also be made with her as the Perpetrator.

Many-times over.  People, think!! 

Why do you think the Church released such goofy slander on her? ( Shes horny, and got fat? Its retarded criticism and we all know it )

Heres s what the church is NOT going to say... "We took a girl with no Proper education, and after running her thru a Brutal Bootcamp like program, We found out she was A ruthlessly awesome Bitch, and Great at Screaming, threatening and intimidating People,

a true Ruthless Unreasonable Nazi ( actually they would admit to half
of that_) So despite having NO actual skills,  WE Made her an 

INTERNATIONAL EXECUTIVE because People were afraid of her and WE LIKE

THAT"  

Amy was NOT a passive player, people. She Was a TOP DOG! She was a Pitbull and she had a bite. This Bad Church she keeps talking about WAS HER. These are things that SHE DID. Not just done to her, BUT DID. And, NO, You can not say that about everyone. She Did have a choice HOW she ran things. When she says passively "the church does this or that" "the church lies about time off" She is passively ADMITTING TO DOING WHATEVER BAD THINGS WERE DONE TO HER, justifying it, and labeling it as "just the CHURCH". When AMY admits to these things EXPLICITLY Then I might start to start to have some respect for her.

    That being said, I DO NOT WANT AMY TO STOP TALKING. 

I am NOT trying to attack her Credibility either. Maybe if she feels safe enough she can own up to her part and grow...But she sounds like a plucky Mary-Sue Mary_Sue Heroine in this Tale. SHE WAS NOT! She is ( or was at least ) a classic ANTI-Villianess. --->Sliding ScaleOf Scoby<--- When she finally admits: "I also did, and was responsible for a lot of fucked up things, For a long-time. Now I am sorry, and wish to

stop the institutional Problems that led to MY( and others) moral 

failures" Then, and only then, She can evolve into the Anti-Heroine Role. So with a Literary Metaphors Time-line starting with my direct Observations: (1) Stone-cold Evil Bitch -> evolves -> (2) Evil Bitch with a Heart of Gold -> Evolves-> (3)Bitch with a Heart of Gold ...at no point does the she-wolf becomea Sue-wolf.

Until that time, I'll save my compassion for the many Underage children

 and young adults exposed to her reign of terror.  I was there!!!!

It stripped her of her compassion for others and herself, and SHE MADE HERSELF A SLAVER'''. I find this statement more accurate of working with AMY.