Talk:Total evacuation of New Orleans planned

Martial law? Are you sure that isn't POV? -- NGerda 01:52, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

• It's the correct term when the military is the form of government - the Nat'l Guard, Coast Guard and possibly more branches will be in control of New Orleans (or what's left of it) for at least a week or so. At first hearing of the term, it did sound like a pushing of POV - but as for the article, it's fairly clean. --Mrmiscellanious 02:19, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Something about this is mentioned on the Wikipedia article on martial law. I wonder if the point needs clarifying in this report.

"Martial law" is the term the authorities and most media are using [[1]] Paulrevere2005 12:11, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I recorded a spoken version of the article, but I believe the sandbags that were to be used to plug the breeches in the levees were never delivered. Can't find a source immediately, but I thought I heard it on TV. --Chiacomo (talk) 04:54, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Where's the nation's leader? Where's President Bush?

Still waiting for our President to show up (leaders should lead maybe? this situation needs to have someone in control giving orders); you'd think this would be the time a real kick-ass commander(if he really is one) would be of some use? The mayor said there is no coordination among the agencies(see Chiacomo's comments above) and you can see that on your tv with the levee breeches widening by the hour and absolutely noone around trying to plug the breeches. The mayor says that noone can find a helicopter to use to drop the huge bags of gravel typically used and noone can find a barge to use to plug the hole. No one can get an aircraft carrier or cruise boat in to help the people get out. It's now 100 degrees inside the superdome with 20,000 people and NO WORKING TOILETS. The water is still rising; 15 feet throughout the city now.Desperation is setting in.I'm not surprised at all by this big government f___up; in fact I predicted it before the hurricane even hit;[[2]]. These people are poor AND black...not the Palm Beach/Boca Raton crowd...and this is not a "battleground" state. Our Whitehouse couldn't care less,imo. Paulrevere2005 12:11, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

these pages aren't for any discussion except for discussion about the article and how it can be made better. i can understand you have certain feelings about this situation but this isn't the place to express them. have a look at this link and then specially point #2 what wikinews is not Boneyard 13:44, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

If you don't allow some of it here, it will infect the article. If Wikinews has an Op-Ed section (not NPOV), or if it had seperate editorial and topical discussions, or if WikiDebate ever gets roling, you could make him move it to such places, but these features do not exist, so it should be left here. Now, no body would mind if you move highly POV comments around to create segregation within the discussion page. Nyarlathotep 23:10, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Paul, I've discussed this with you before, and I'm still waiting for your reply on my talk page. -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 14:13, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Tim, thank you for your interest; rather than trying to continue to raise the alarm and stimulate "out of the box" thinking; I think I will simply withdraw from contributions. This story will be the biggest in my lifetime in terms of being able to see clearly the mentality of our society and its direction, so everything to come will be anticlimatic for me. Thanks again Tim; your timing, along with boneyard's, was perfect for me. I can take a hint(finally):)Paulrevere2005 17:05, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Paul, here it is. You have a history of misdirection in dialogue. My comment on your talk page ([3]), your "move" of it to my talk page (compare [4] and [5]), my response ([6]). You must remember these, and similar comments by others. Please don't waste my time. -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 03:26, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

pure copy paste and missing info

a good portion of this article is pure copy paste of the first source, is that allowed? next to that is it missing sources supporting the fact there is gonna be an actual evacution as mentioned on the front page. i agree that what is happening in new orleans is important, but this article and the previous one about it aren't doing the matter justice in my opinion. Boneyard 14:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Please edit or start a new story if you wish. Paulrevere2005 17:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Story getting bigger

I've done too much on this New Orleans story, but mayor now estimating"thousands dead"Ivor van Heerden, Deputy Director of the Louisiana State University Hurricane Center and director of the Center for the Study of Public Health Impacts of Hurricanes just estimated(1 hour ago) on Wolf Blitzer/CNN "situation room" that 240,000 people were left in the city and that his models show that"one-third (80(Eighty) thousand) will be dead". Just saw Bush arriving with his dog;(in Washington) he's speaking at 5pm. Paulrevere2005 20:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

HA!HA! Bush announced he's ordered the EPA to waive their polution standards

on gasoline nationwide to help with the crisis!!!Wow; what a great way to deal with weird weather events; he never lets me down; that one was good for a 5 minute gut buster. Paulrevere2005 00:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

• I think it's a great move, after all; anything that prevents the oil companies from mining and refining more oil means more pain at the pump. I'm already paying $3/gallon for gas - don't make me spend more. After all, just two weeks of fillups would be about the same price as a new bicycle; which I see more and more frequent on the roads in my area. --Mrmiscellanious 00:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

• Didn't they (scientists) find a link between polution and number of huricanes (global warming->hotter ocean->more/stronger huricane). This is definitly cutting off their nose despite their face, not that them and the majority of all, if not all other governments (mine included) do that all the time. Bawolff 04:03, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

• Oh yeah, I'm sure 'they' did. And then someone else probably found the complete opposite to be true. And what do we believe when we find that most scientific papers are wrong: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7915 I personally believe the hurricane was due to bush ordering karl rove to fire up ye ol' death ray in alaska (the same one used to take down the WTC towers!!!) or then maybe not...

• Bawolff,you're absolutely right about the connection[[7]] which is why I find the Bush admin's move to INCREASE air pollution, and fossil fuel company profits, at this point in time just so obscenely sadistic. It shows how completely docile and stupid the American people,like me, have become; that his admin. would have the gall to twist the knife right now. You assume Bush did this as just another blunder; I assume it's just taking advantage of the disaster to push forward admin. policy; just as they did post 9/11. Paulrevere2005 10:36, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

• Paul is technicallly correct MrMisc. However, Paul is also guilty of hyperbole on a grand scale. To get above all that, Paul is *trying* to say that Bush's failures to take other correct actions show that this correct action was really to help oil companies. I expect Paul is right on some level, but no such statments can be made even remotely objective until all the people have retiired and published their memiors.  :)

We need a Paulrevere2005 getto for some Wikinews talk pages. Maybe we could have an op-ed points / onliners section on the discussion page? Here people would be entitled to edit your comments within the confines of their original motivation, not to make the NPOV, but to make them more witty. Nyarlathotep 23:27, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

A zero-cost plan could have prevented this problem

Very simple: When you open the inbound lanes for exodus traffic, you require the cars in the extra lanes to be full - no exceptions. This would encourage carpooling - as it does in SF and other places. Very likely everyone could have been evacuated using the private cars at full capacity. City management deserves to have this tragedy placed at their feet for lack of planning. Benjamin Gatti

states' rights

Here is my POV chest beating on the issue. Bush's people are tards when it comes to action. They only do what (a) they are paid to do by oil companies, or (b) their perverse unrealistic idiology says. What is wrong? Easy, not enough local control of the buddget. Reduce the federal budget (including millitary funding), push "enforcment" agencies (DEA, ATF, small part of EPA, etc.) down to the state level, and you suddenly Louisiana as lots of money for the things local people light notice as being important.