Talk:School on Australia's Sunshine Coast makes staff redundant, requests they apply for 'new' jobs

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Emails sent to staff can be seen here, here and here. Current jobs being done van be seen here. --RockerballAustralia c 06:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Did you download the list of 21 names when you saw it, or forward it to scoop? I ask because I cannot see it on Facebook, and I wonder if it was deleted. --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The original list I was using would appear that is was deleted. I neglected to download it as I assumed (wrongly) that it would remain posted. But someone appears to have reposted it--RockerballAustralia c 10:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

PS: I say count 'em. 22. --RockerballAustralia c 10:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Sent to scoop --RockerballAustralia c 10:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I haven't applied for access to scoop yet, and I still can't see it on Facebook, so I can't finish the review. Could someone else do that piece of the review please? It is odd that the Facebook list has 22 names, but QIEU and SCD both say 21. --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Verbatum copy of the list at User:RockerballAustralia/teacher verification‎ and links one and four above for the other issue. --RockerballAustralia c 10:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Is the overlap "House Co-ordinator" and "Head of House"? Since it comes from a leaked e-mail, which does not mention that the Head of House roles will be done away with, I think 'confirmed' is a bit strong. Can you propose a less strident phrase? --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

That would be the apparent overlap. I've put "seemed to overlap" as opposed to "confirmed to overlap" and it's eight positions (not four as previously put).---RockerballAustralia c 10:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Terminology

The term the new year could be confusing for readers in the northern hemisphere, where the school year starts in August/September. The article should explain that the current positions end in December, and the new ones begin in January, if that is the case.

I believe the word redundant is not meaningful for some in the international audience, in particular North America. However the typical US terms 'laid off' and 'terminated' are both vague and translate poorly internationally. In absence of a better suggestion, I think you should stick with 'redundant'.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 08:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I think Done and Done --RockerballAustralia c 08:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Greens

The article should explain the connection between the Alumni and the Greens. --InfantGorilla (talk) 08:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Done --RockerballAustralia c 08:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up suggestions

As it is after 6 pm, it is probably too late to have a conversation with a teachers union rep or an employment law expert, but those would be interesting aspects of a follow-up article if you have time to contribute one. --InfantGorilla (talk) 08:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Follow up within a week it is --RockerballAustralia c 08:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Please research these two press releases:

• http://www.qieu.asn.au/ieua_qnt_mr___sunshine_coast_school_quality_education_at_risk_1.pdf
• http://www.qieu.asn.au/ieua_qnt_mr___employees_at_sunshine_coast_school_targeted_for_redundancy.pdf

I think that teacher reps deserve a say in this article. Is QIEU the main union at the school? How many of the affected staff does it represent?

--InfantGorilla (talk) 08:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

the QIEU is the union at the school. I think they represent all staff, teaching and non teaching, at the school.--RockerballAustralia c 08:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Done--RockerballAustralia c 09:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Good. There is a puzzling question to address in the follow up article. None of the official sources (union or school newspaper) seem to mention that there is an ongoing dispute about pay and conditions, which led to a one day strike back in June. Web comments seem to hint at some kind of link between the two, and that the new positions may have lower pay than the previous ones. It would be amazing if a follow up article could uncover a smoking gun linking the two issues, or alternatively scotch the rumours of pay cuts. --InfantGorilla (talk) 09:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I smell interviews--RockerballAustralia c 10:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Review of revision 1082310 [Failed]

Revision 1082310 of this article has been reviewed by InfantGorilla (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 10:38, 24 August 2010 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Not ready: Nearly all passes, but a couple of questions need following up NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: (1)I do not understand this phrase, nor where you got that information from: "four of which confirmed to significantly overlap the old ones." Please address this and put it up for review (2)I can't see the list of 22 names that Rockerball read, so could someone else please complete a review of verifiability Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 1082310 of this article has been reviewed by InfantGorilla (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 10:38, 24 August 2010 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Not ready: Nearly all passes, but a couple of questions need following up NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: (1)I do not understand this phrase, nor where you got that information from: "four of which confirmed to significantly overlap the old ones." Please address this and put it up for review (2)I can't see the list of 22 names that Rockerball read, so could someone else please complete a review of verifiability Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Review of revision 1082339 [Passed]

Revision 1082339 of this article has been reviewed by InfantGorilla (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 11:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: The article makes thoughtful use of non-news web sources. It raises a number of interesting questions in the mind of the reader that can't yet be answered. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 1082339 of this article has been reviewed by InfantGorilla (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 11:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: The article makes thoughtful use of non-news web sources. It raises a number of interesting questions in the mind of the reader that can't yet be answered. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Worthy

Is this article worthy? I think not. It's 22 jobs at a grammar school. People lose jobs every second. Are we going to create articles for them? Why does the rest of the world need to know this?

Please sign your comments. Wikinews regularly reports on local news. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 13:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)