Talk:Leaked Syrian government emails indicate weapons supplied to Hamas
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editDocument research in regards to email/information from: Flight manifest; [1] (local uploads to Wikinews: Syria Files), Email from Iranian official to Belarus: [2], Flyover request and granting: [3] (pdf). DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:57, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Did the math of the currency if it were US based: [4] DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:03, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Email 20-11-2012 from media@mofa.gov.sy.pdf [5] DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Concerning authenticity of email at: http://par-anoia.net/incoming/sy/arm-traffic.txt There has been questioning as to whether or not britinfo@nsys.by was an official contact for the British embassy in Belarus. Based on research I conducted, I think that email address is legit as seen here (nearly 3 1/4 the way down the page) [6] Embassy of United Kingdom in Minsk, Belarus Tel: (+375-17) 2105920~22 E-mail: britinfo@nsys.by DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:03, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- Google Translation [7] from Page 6-7, section 2 of document here File:Email 20-11-2012 from media@mofa.gov.sy.pdf.
- Original Text
- مؤتمر الحوار الوطني السوري يواصل فعالياته في طهران لليوم الثاني .. خامنئي: حل الأزمة في سورية يكمن في
- Original Text
منع إرسال السلاح )سانا( أكد مرشد الثورة الإسلامية في إيران علي خامنئي أن حل الأزمة في سورية يكمن في منع إرسال الأسلحة إلى هذا البلد وقيام "المعارضة السورية" بإلقاء السلاح لتتمكن من إيصال مطالبها إلى الحكومة السورية. وقال خامنئي خلال استقباله أمس المسؤولين والقائمين على شؤون الحج "لو تم تزويد المعارضين في كل بلد بالأسلحة من خارج البلاد فمن الطبيعي أن يتصدى النظام الحاكم للمعارضين" مضيفاً "إذا ألقى المعارضون في سورية السلاح فستتوفر إمكانية مطالبة الحكومة بالاستماع الى وجهات نظر المعارضين والسماح لهم لابداء مواقفهم". وبين خامنئي أن حقيقة الأزمة في سورية هي أن جبهة الاستكبار تعتزم تفكيك المقاومة التي تقف في وجه مشاريع الكيان الصهيوني في المنطقة لافتاً إلى أن الموقف الإيراني تجاه ما يجري في سورية واضح تماماً. وتواصلت في العاصمة الإيرانية طهران أمس فعاليات مؤتمر الحوار الوطني السوري تحت عنوان "لا للعنف ونعم للديمقراطية".
وقد أكد المشاركون في المؤتمر أمس الأول رفضهم لأي تدخل عسكري في سورية وأي حل يفرض من الخارج مشددين على ضرورة سيطرة الدول المجاورة لسورية على حدودها ومنع وصول الأسلحة والمسلحين للحد من أعمال العنف التي تشهدها البلاد. صالحي خلال لقائه رئيس أساقفة حلب للسريان الأرثوذكس: بعض الأطراف الأجنبية تحاول خلق فراغ سياسي في سورية من جانبه أكد وزير الخارجية الايراني علي أكبر صالحي أن بعض الاطراف الاجنبية تحاول خلق فراغ سياسي في سورية محذرا من التداعيات المؤلمة لاستمرار تدهور الامن والاستقرار في سورية خاصة على دول الجوار. وقال صالحي خلال استقباله أمس المطران يوحنا ابراهيم رئيس أساقفة حلب للسريان الأرثوذكس على هامش اجتماع الحوار الوطني السوري " ان الشعب السوري الواعي هو الذي ينبغي ان يقرر مصيره بنفسه وأن اي تغيير او تطور في هذا البلد ضمن اطر الاصلاحات السياسية يجب ان يتم من قبل الشعب السوري" مشيرا إلى ان الكيان الصهيوني هو المستفيد من ابقاء سورية ضعيفة وغير آمنة. وشدد صالحي على موقف بلاده الرافض لأي تدخل أجنبي في الشؤون الداخلية السورية مؤكدا أن طهران ستستخدم كل امكانياتها وقدراتها السياسية من اجل دعم الشعب السوري لاجتياز ظروفه الحساسة الحالية واعادة الامن والاستقرار الى سورية لافتا الى ان اجتماع الحوار الوطني السوري عقد في هذا الاطار. بدوره أشاد المطران يوحنا ابراهيم رئيس أساقفة حلب للسريان الأرثوذكس باستضافة ايران لاجتماع الحوار الوطني السوري معبرا عن شكره لايران حكومة وشعبا وقيادة لدعمها الصادق للشعب السوري واصفا دور ايران لحل الازمة في سورية بالمهم والحيوي. و دعا المطران جميع الاطياف السورية الى التحلي بالوعي والتضامن لمواجهة مخططات الاعداء وحفظ وتعزيز الوحدة الوطنية ودعم الدور المحوري لسورية في جبهة المقاومة. وقدم المطران يوحنا ابراهيم رئيس أساقفة حلب للسريان الأرثوذكس، شرحا حول ما يجري في سورية من استهداف لدور العبادة والمدارس من قبل المجموعات الارهابية المسلحة.
- Translation:
- Syrian national dialogue conference continue its activities in Tehran for a second day ..Khamenei: resolving the crisis in Syria lies in Prevent arms being sent (SANA) Leader of the Islamic Revolution stressed in Iran Ali Khamenei to resolve the crisis in Syria is to prevent the sending of arms to this country And the establishment of the "Syrian opposition" to lay down their arms to be able to deliver their demands to the Syrian government. Khamenei said during a meeting yesterday and officials engaged in the affairs of the pilgrimage "if it were to provide the opponents in every country of weapons Outside the country, it is natural that the regime responds to opponents, "he said, adding" if opponents threw in Syria arms Vsttoffer Can ask the government to listen to the views of opponents and allowing them to express their positions. "Khamenei between the fact that the crisis in Syria is that the front of arrogance intends to dismantle the resistance, which stand in the way of projects entity Zionist in the region, pointing out that the Iranian attitude toward what is happening in Syria is quite clear. And continued in the Iranian capital Tehran on events Syrian national dialogue conference under the title "No to violence and yes Of democracy."
- Translation:
- The participants at the conference yesterday rejected any military intervention in Syria and any solution imposed from outside, stressing The need to control Syria's neighbors on its borders and prevent the arrival of weapons and militants to curb violence In the country. Salehi, during a meeting with the Archbishop of Aleppo, Syrian Orthodox: some foreign parties are trying to create a political vacuum in the Syria For his part, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi that some foreign parties are trying to create a political vacuum in the Syria, warning of the painful consequences of the continued deterioration of security and stability in Syria, especially the neighboring countries. Salehi said during his meeting yesterday with Bishop John Abraham Archbishop of Aleppo Syrian Orthodox on the sidelines of a meeting Syrian national dialogue "The Syrian people are conscious is the one who should decide their own destiny and that any change or development in the This country within the frameworks of political reforms must be done before the Syrian people, "adding that the Zionist entity is Beneficiary of keeping Syria is weak and unsafe. Salehi stressed his country's position rejecting any foreign interference in Syria's internal affairs, stressing that Tehran will use all Its possibilities and capabilities for political support of the Syrian people to pass the current sensitive circumstances and restore security and stability to Syria, pointing out that the Syrian national dialogue meeting held in this regard. Turn praised Bishop John Abraham Archbishop of Aleppo of the Syriac Orthodox Church to host Iran for the meeting of the National Dialogue Syrian expressed his thanks to the Government and people of Iran and the leadership for their sincere support for the Syrian people, describing the role of Iran to resolve the crisis in Syria as significant and vital. The bishop called on all Syrian spectrum to show awareness and solidarity to confront enemies schemes and to maintain and strengthen unity National and support the central role of Syria in the Resistance Front. The Bishop John Abraham Archbishop of Aleppo Syrian Orthodox, an explanation about what is happening in Syria to target the role of Worship and schools by armed terrorist groups. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Brianmc's take
editFrom the headers associated with: [8] which indicate that the email in question was sent from the Syrian embassy in Tehran:
- Let's pick it apart:
MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: AtMail AtMail Open 1.02 Message-ID: <5574.1353363254@mofa.gov.sy> To: <britinfo@nsys.by> Reply-To: tehran@mofa.gov.sy Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_5b365536ea823594258f8b654b60bf56" X-Origin: 96.44.189.100 X-Atmail-Account: tehran@mofa.gov.sy Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:14:14 +0200 Subject: Additional Information Requested by HE From: tehran@mofa.gov.sy X-Evolution-Source: pop://tehran%40mofa.gov.sy@213.178.225.230/
- 213.178.225.230 is indeed the mail server for the mofa.gov.sy domain. But, that could readily be forged.
- The origin is 'odd', it's validity depends on how these emails were allegedly obtained. 96.44.189.100 is manning1.torservers.net (some irony there methinks.
- Now, is the address legit? tehran@mofa.gov.sy, that is. Let's try it...
$ telnet 213.178.225.230 25 Trying 213.178.225.230... Connected to 213.178.225.230. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mofa.gov.sy ESMTP HELO whitehouse.gov 250 mofa.gov.sy MAIL FROM: obama-gonna-get-you@whitehouse.gov 250 ok RCPT TO: nosuchaddress@mofa.gov.sy 550 sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.7.17) RCPT TO: tehran@mofa.gov.sy 250 ok DATA 354 go ahead Subject: Your email has been stolen Courtesy of the Tor project! . 250 ok 1354051234 qp 18765 QUIT 221 mofa.gov.sy Connection closed by foreign host.
- Pwnd! Can you work out what I just did? --Brian McNeil / talk 21:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:32, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- From the headers I think it being an open relay may be a coincidence. The headers say a user sent the message via Atmail webmail while using TOR, than someone downloaded it via Evolution using POP3. It looks like webmail.mofa.gov.sy was using a really old version of Atmail [9]. Atmail uses $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] to supply the X-Origin thus providing the TOR ip. The X-Evolution-Source header is kind of odd too. It would suggest the hackers downloaded the message via Evolution and copied it. AFAIK, mail sent via Atmail would not be available via POP3 (baring some oddity like a habit of copying sent mail to their inbox or a mail server that does that (GMail does, no idea about others)). It is not impossible that they would have used TOR to access their webmail in the first place, since some people do use it as a poor substitute for a vpn or it could be a sign that the hacker sent the message first than downloaded it. It is certainly possible that it is real, but it is still kind of odd. My general feeling on this is that there is a very high probability that the message was sent via mofa servers, who sent it though is very unclear --Cspurrier (talk) 00:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Possible sources to use
edit- Mark Schoofs and Jeff Larson. "Syria Claims Turkey Committed “Air Piracy,” New Documents Say" — Pro Publica, November 27, 2012 This pretty much verifies the authenticity of the leaks. Though it seems this source among a few, at the time of this posting, are focusing on this event and not the event(s) we are at the moment. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- Fred Weir - Christian Science Monitor. "Russia printed money for Assad's regime in Syria" — Alaska Dispatch, November 26, 2012 DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Map
editConnect the dots: [10] DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Problems during review
edit- In paragraph four, didn't find justification for "and other materials".
- In paragraph
fivesix, is that form the Iranian government requesting overfly of Belarus? How does one know? Just looking at it, I couldn't tell you it wasn't Belarus requesting overfly of Iran. Also, I've no idea where you get that Iran is the one worried about outsiders; for all I can tell from the email, it could just as well be Syria that's worried about outsiders. Not sure what justifies "manufacturing and", either. Possibly my difficulty could be because I haven't got the jpeg attachments to that email; I only have the pdf because a link for it is provided by the associated tweet.
--Pi zero (talk) 16:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- In paragraph eight, I'm failing to verify several points, including one really major one.
- Two of the flight manifests are from July, earlier than August date in article.
- I count only 18 flights documented by the manifests. Admittedly, 11 of them are from Syria to Russia and only 9 from Russia to Syria.
- From the evidence of the manifests, it appears all of the cargoes were from Russia to Syria. Although many of the flights are from Syria to Moscow, the cargo listed on each manifest is CARGO FROM UUWW. In other words, the flights from Syria to Moscow were the empty planes on their way to Moscow for the express purpose of picking up cargo there.
--Pi zero (talk) 17:18, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- (Just to keep these notes where I won't lose them, here's what I found sifting through the manifests:
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Sept 13, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air UUWW > OSDI Sept 13, 2012 1430 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Sept 15, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air UUWW > OSDI Sept 15, 2012 1430 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW July 5, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW nil
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW July 9, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Sept 6, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air UUWW > OSDI Sept 6, 2012 1430 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Step 10, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air UUWW > OSDI Sept 10, 2012 1430 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Aug 14, 2012 0300 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Aug 31, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air UUWW > OSDI Aug 31, 2012 1430 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Sept 3, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air UUWW > OSDI Sept 3, 2012 1430 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Sept 6, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air OSDI > UUWW Sept 10, 2012 0400 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
Syrian Air UUWW > OSDI Sept 10, 2012 1430 UTC CARGO FROM UUWW bank notes
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- Read the manifests again. Departure aerodrome: OSDI, Destination aerodrome: UUWW. Example: [11] Page 2. See departure/destination aerodrome. They were round trip flights and on each manifest it lists the cargo as bank notes 30 tons. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:53, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- Never mind. This will likely require a complete rewrite and to be honest, I am not sure I am wanting to do that. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:07, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hamas being a Palestinian Group
editHamas is the elected government of Palestine. Therefore I don't think calling it a "group" is accurate. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)