Talk:Exclusive: 'The Scientology Reformation' author examines Tom Cruise and David Miscavige

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OSA notified by Narconon Georgia Director

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 ((WN )) Soon after the June 11, 2008 death of Patrick W. Desmond, Director of Narconon in Georgia Mary Rieser sent a memo to the Scientology Office of Special Affairs (OSA). Why would OSA have been notified of a death of a former Narconon patient? Is this standard practice?

Confirmed by sources
  • Pete Combs. "Patrick Desmond OSA Report" — WSB (AM), October 2, 2012
    • Per source: "Created less than 24 hours after Patrick Desmond died of a drug and alcohol overdose while a patient at Narconon of Georgia, this memo, written by executive director Mary Reiser, is clearly routed to the legal director of Narconon International, the executive director of ABLE Eastern US, the Director of Special Affairs at the local Church of Scientology and the Office of Special Affairs at the Church of Scientology International. While Reiser never reported Desmond’s death to state regulators, this is her report to Narconon and church officials."
  • Jodie Fleischer. "Whistleblower, memo link Georgia Narconon to Scientology" — WSBTV, October 3, 2012
    • Per source: "A Link To Scientology - The Desmond’s attorney shared with Channel 2 Action News evidence that links the program to Scientology. "Within days after Patrick's death, a memo was sent from Narconon of Georgia to the OSA, which is the church of Scientology," Harris said. “I have arranged for a minister to come ... He is not going to flap PR wise,” Rieser wrote in the memo. Catton said that means “it wouldn’t create a public relations problem.” "This demonstrates very clearly the connection between them, and it's not just the connection, it is a direct channel," said Catton. “I've never seen anything like this public before now.""

Correction to Rathbun statement about Narconon International President

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MR: "Yes, I gave Narconon Int President Gary Smith the green light to make medical supervised withdrawal policy. I was Inspector General (Number Two) at the time, 2002. The only one with the authority to cross order that was Miscavige. It is quite apparent he did after my 2004 departure." [Note: Clark Carr is currently president of Narconon International; Gary Smith is currently CEO of Narconon Arrowhead in Oklahoma and has been active in Narconon in Oklahoma since at least 1989.]

Correction confirmed by source
  • Gary W. Smith. "[1]" — Estate of Lisa McPherson v. Church of Scientology Flag Organization, July 16, 2002
    • Per source: "I am a parishioner of the Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization. Since May 1989, I have been the Executive Director of the principal Narconon drug and rehabilitation program, located initially in Kay County, Oklahoma, and relocated to Arrowhead State Park in Pittsburg County, Oklahoma, in July, 2001."

"Because Church of Scientology Inc controls every aspect of Narconon."

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MR: “Because Church of Scientology Inc controls every aspect of Narconon.” [Note: Per an August 29, 1972 letter by L. Ron Hubbard, subject “Narconon”, heading “Sea Organization”, “The incomparable Guardian’s Office has been running the Narconon (drugs no!) Program over the world.”]

Confirmed per Scientology source by L. Ron Hubbard

See source notes, above. -- Cirt (talk) 19:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Mark Rathbun interview confirmation

  1. Interview questions and responses by Mark Rathbun emailed to Wikinews Scoop list at 19:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  2. Additionally, emailed to OTRS, confirmation at ticket: VRT ticket#2012101810011814

-- Cirt (talk) 19:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Request for comment confirmation

  1. Request for comment to Church of Scientology International emailed to Wikinews Scoop list at 19:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  2. Additionally, emailed to OTRS, confirmation at ticket: VRT ticket#2012101810011878
  3. Request for comment via email was sent to Tom Cruise via his website specifically the "contact us" form at Subject header = "Wikinews interview with Mark Rathbun". Time message was sent = 03:29:02 AM UTC, October 18, 2012.

-- Cirt (talk) 19:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Note: (The original email to Church of Scientology International was sent to them October 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM UTC). -- Cirt (talk) 01:33, 19 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Time passed since Request for comment

  1. Church of Scientology International request for comment = sent at October 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM UTC. (Approximately 1 day and 7 hours ago.) -- Cirt (talk) 01:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
  2. Tom Cruise request for comment = sent at October 18, 2012 at 03:29:02 AM UTC. (Approximately 22 hours ago.) -- Cirt (talk) 01:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

No response from above the parties notified with the request for comment. -- Cirt (talk) 01:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)Reply



Note: The opinions and views expressed by Mark Rathbun are solely his own and do not represent the opinions and views of Wikinews, its contributors, or the Wikimedia Foundation.

Please leave the disclaimer on the article page, in this particular case, it's important to note. -- Cirt (talk) 23:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

We are legally safe because we follow our neutrality policy. That disclaimer falsely implies otherwise, insulting every article ever published on Wikinews without such a disclaimer. Either the article adheres to WN:NPOV, or it does not and should not be published in its current form.
I am not willing to publish the article with the disclaimer on it.
I will be more explicit about the relation to policy when removing the disclaimer again. My edit description will then be part of the edit history of the article.
Btw, on a largely unrelated note, by disregarding {{under review}} to make that edit, you conflicted a multiple-copyedit I was working on/ --Pi zero (talk) 01:07, 19 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
Alright, no worries, your explanation makes perfect sense. And it's clear it's an interview and obvious we are quoting Mark Rathbun and these are his words and his responses. -- Cirt (talk) 01:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Review of revision 1664370 [Passed]




"Update: After over 24 articles from time of publish, Wikinews had not received a response from representatives for Church of Scientology International, David Miscavige, or Tom Cruise."

Added the above update to the Request for comment section.

Article was published = 06:17, 19 October 2012‎.

Time/date now = 14:14, 20 October 2012‎.

Time both representatives notified = noted above. -- Cirt (talk) 14:16, 20 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

I believe this is consistent with the spirit of the archive policy. --Pi zero (talk) 15:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, and I agree with your copyedit. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
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