Talk:Asbestos controversy aboard Scientology ship Freewinds

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All of the sources listed in the Sources subsection were used in this article. OR note - email from Lawrence Woodcraft was forwarded to Scoop. Cirt (talk) 07:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

OR tag also refers to primary source documents. Cirt (talk) 08:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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Text of the email from Lawrence Woodcraft:

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Date: Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Contact from Wikinews

Dear Cirt

As promised on IM, I stand by everything I wrote in my 2001 affidavit.

I would also comment that if the Church of Scientology claims to have removed the blue asbestos, I just don't see how, it's everywhere. You would first have to remove all the pipes, plumbing, a/c ducts, electrical wiring etc. etc. just a maze of stuff. Also panelling as well, basically strip the ship back to a steel hull. Also blue asbestos is sprayed onto the outer walls and then covered in paint. It's in every nook and cranny.

Freewinds was build as a car ferry so it's to a higher fire resistant standard than a regular ship.

i suspect that they'll do a "clean up" and then have the air tested until it's "safe"

Also you can't just strip out the asbestos, which fire protects the steel walls and decks, you would have to replace it with new fire resistant insulation

Lawrence Woodcraft

Cirt (talk) 07:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

GlossLip

Is glosslip really a source? they seem to regurgitate other sources, most of which you also list. Even their "exclusive" is a report on something in a newspaper. Glosslip seems to be a celebrity gossip blog. --SVTCobra 10:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, GlossLip was used as a source. Though generally you are correct that it is a celebrity gossip blog, writer Dawn Olsen often does her own investigations. Cirt (talk) 10:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Dawn Olsen does do a lot of her own work interviews and radio shows. I have spoken to her a few times. Her site maybe a gossip site, but IMO she is probably the best of those sites. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Well no direct work, interview or otherwise, of Olsen's seems to have been used or cited. And if by "best" you mean fervently anti-Scientology, I may have to agree that GlossLip could top the category. Personally, I think it undermines the credibility of our stories to use a source like GlossLip, with the possible exception when it refers to an interview (which does not seem to be the case here). Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Direct work by Olsen was used as a reference for this article, as I had already stated, above. Your opinion about her perspective is noted. Cirt (talk) 04:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

And as already stated, I have no doubt as to the factual accuracy or reliability of the work and research and writing done by Dawn Olsen. I do not think that using her work or her writings as a reference damages the credibility of Wikinews in any way whatsoever. Cirt (talk) 05:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Linky linky

Listing stuff below. Cirt (talk) 18:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

• Asbestos controversy aboard Scientology ship Freewinds, Mens News Daily
• Asbestos controversy aboard Scientology ship Freewinds, Digg.com
• Asbestos controversy aboard Scientology ship Freewinds, Wikinews Reports - convenience link to check comments
• Asbestos controversy aboard Scientology ship Freewinds, What do you know about Asbestos?
• Asbestos controversy aboard Scientology ship Freewinds, Mister-Info.com
• Asbestos controversy aboard Scientology ship Freewinds, BA.net

Sources post publish

Listing here below. Cirt (talk) 09:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

And also sources I found after the article was published. Cirt (talk) 08:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

• Deon Scott. "Hollywood Star At Center Of Asbestos Contamination Scare" — Blogger News Network, May 28, 2008 - October 27, 2008 (by same author)
• "Cancer And Scientology: The Silent Killer" — GlossLip, May 23, 2008
• "Vessel Freewinds: Class Conditions" — Det Norske Veritas, retrieved May 17, 2008
• "Scientology Cruise Ship to be Cleaned of Asbestos" — The Asbestos & Mesothelioma Center, May 16, 2008
• Simon Barrett. "Tom Cruise’s Cult Ship Cruises Into Turbulence Down Under With Asbestos" — Blogger News Network, May 14, 2008
• "Special team strips Freewinds of asbestos" — St. Maarten Island Times, May 6, 2008

Possible follow-up

[1], [2] - Would need additional corroborating sources as these are not really satisfactory on their own. Cirt (talk) 01:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• "Mesothelioma a Concern for Workers Who Completed Repairs on Scientology Cruise Ship" — Asbestos.com, September 3, 2008

Cirt (talk) 21:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)