Comments:Georgia wants ceasefire in Ossetia war
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They want a ceasefire? edit
To me it doesn't really seem like they want a ceasefire, they seem more desperate for Russia to back down so they continue ruling over nations (such as South Ossetia) that have had referendums specifying their wish for independence. Anonymous101talk 18:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- They are a nation of 8 million people facing the full might of the Russian bear. WHY would the not want a cease fire?. They will be cruched if this war continues. Furthermore, South Ossetia is not a nation, it is a region on Georgia. If they want independence they should have it, but without the intervention of Russia. b.t.w. If the same locic is to be applid to Chechnya, should we attack Russia to free the Chechnyan people? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- They can not be independent by themselves, that is the problem. While, officially, they are, as you call it, "a region of Georgia", they doesn't want to be a region of Georgia, after all. De facto, they are already an independent enclave of Russia (a lot of S. Ossetians have Russian passports, not Georgian. My friend was there not long ago, he told me about the warlike situation in the region. Our town is a twin to one of S. Ossetian towns). Furthermore, remember Kosovo? They also were independent "de facto". I may suggest you looking here, it's the official site of State Committee of Information and Press of South Ossetia. And don't be scared by the photos on the main page... --Yuriybrisk (talk) 20:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- And I doubt that Georgia may be crushed too easy. The dislocation of the Russian 58th Army is much more unsafe. The only line of communication with South Ossetia is the Roki Tunnel and the route to Tskhinvali is under constant fire from Georgian air and land forces. Russian troops can not even help the city, cause they are defending that route. --Yuriybrisk (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- And to answer your third question about Chechnya, I may say that it's simply incorrect to compare - this situation is more like Kosovo and Albania (North and South Ossetia in this case). The problem trace roots from the dissolution of the USSR, when nobody asked South Ossetians, whether they want to stay with the North. As well as nobody asked Kosovars if they want to be with Albania after a dissolution of Yugoslavia. There are some differences of course, but the comparison is much more adequate, cause Chechnya never was splitted into parts (all started because of one man - Dzhokhar Dudayev, assasinated in the year 1996). Curiosly, Dudayev's government held diplomatic relations with Georgia where he received much moral support from the first Georgian President Zviad Gamsakhurdia... --Yuriybrisk (talk) 20:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
And South Ossetians have a population of 70,000 (2000 est.), about 2,000 of it destroyed already. They can not withstand the full might of Georgian Army without the help of Russia. They want a cease fire from Georgia, and not Georgia from them! (sorry for bold) --Yuriybrisk (talk) 20:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
South Osetia is Georgian territory according to the international law. Osetian and Abchasian forces are just rebels. Why Georgia doesn't want cease fire with Osetia? Cause it is their rightfull territory. Btw Russian explanations are pathetic. Russia was always an aggressor and it is very comfortable situation for them to invade this pro west country, and install their goverment there. Notice that they also politically attacked Ukraine ("Ukraine trying to convince Georgia to make ethnic cleansing"). Peace keepers shouldn't bomb major civillian targets in in ANY country. Peacekeepers should seperate each side from another, but not by shooting to one side of the conflict. This is actual invasion on Georgia. 10 thousand Russian troops gathered in Abchasia to strike through a strategic canion in southern Abchasia. This is peacekeeping? Don't be funny... Even if Georgia is an agressor it doesn't deserve to bomb their civillian citizens by Russian air force. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 06:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- According to "international law", Kosovo independence was also illegal... But the US and the UK didn't care... So why should the russians care too? "International law" this and that... Who cares?
The only thing saying that those two regions are georgian territory is the law... Because practically they're part of Russia. Those regions declared independence from Georgia, and over 90% of the population are russians. I believe the question to be asked now is, why this situation should be any different from Kosovo? Why were so many people killed just to make a point? All of this could have been done without any bloodshed... But "The West" needed to show on TV how "Russians are Evil". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- "Even if Georgia is an agressor"... Don't be funny - you've admitted yourself this possibility! Aggressor must face the consequences in all cases. --Yuriybrisk (talk) 10:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Seems to be a information war, unfortunately. Georgia has declared ceasefire on August 7, just hours before they wiped Tskhinvali out of the earth. --Beaumain (talk) 13:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
If Ossetia "doesn't want to be a region of Georgia", then how about Chechnya not wanting to be a region of Russia ? Russian hypocrisy is pathetic. Also I wonder what the Russian forces are doing in Abkhazia ? Lysy (talk) 08:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
World should new the truth edit
My name is Alexey, I am living in Vladivostok which is far away from southern part of Russia and close to Japan. I am watching lots of news – European, Russian, American and Asian, including CNN. I cannot keep silence any longer and I want to say the following. I am in perplexity how CNN reviews the situation about South Osetia. CNN is saying nothing about Georgian massive perfidious night attack on the capital of South Osetia without any warning after few hours when Saakashvilly said “We are not going to use any aggression.” CNN is saying nothing about killing peace forces during that night attack. I didn’t hear anything about killing thousands of civilians during that attack by using reactive volley machines that are burning the area and killing all around and not for dotted fire. CNN is saying nothing about resolution of the year 1992 (subscribed by Georgia) about peace forces that actually stopped the war between Georgia and South Osetia at that time and are keeping peace during 16 years and patiently waiting when Georgia and South Osetia will find any solution. CNN is saying nothing about Georgian forces killing civilians in homes, basements, streets – nothing about that in the next day after destroying 10 villages and the capital Georgian forces were not allowed take off injured people and shot the caravan with such a people. CNN is saying nothing about Georgian action when they flooded a part of the city and killed many of citizens in basements that didn’t escaped. CNN is saying nothing about Russian help of saving people with camps, food and medicines and nothing about why other countries are not helping. I do not know why; probably “west” consider some human beings as “people” and some as “gun meat” for politicians. CNN says that Russian forces came to capture Georgia, but says nothing about that they came to save civilians and push Georgian troops off the peace line where they were few days ago – that is all – nothing more. Russia respects Georgian territorial integrity, and during 16 years didn’t confess an independence of South Osetia and waiting for any peaceful agreement between Georgia and Osetia! CNN shows medicine camps with injured people without any (ANY!!!) comments from those people, just we can hear some music in background and CNN’s comments about how those people were shot during Russian attacks – such an outrageous lie! LET THOSE PEOPLE SAY IN CAMERA THE TRUTH! CNN shows how some reactive volley machines during night time shooting somewhere and in the background with tragedy music we can hear some CNN’s comments about Russian aggression, but nobody knows that the video is about Georgian GRAD’s that destroying villages during the first night attacks – such an outrageous lie! Just after that we can see a picture of Russian tanks – probably it works good for a “western” auditory for a brain washing – RUSSIA-TANKS – TANKS-RUSSIA – like zombing people as if such a military equipment inseparably bound with anything Russian because the pattern of a Cold War is still in minds of many “western people”, but it is no longer in minds of Russians – which is very strange to me…
Probably for some politicians it is OK to say that black is white and white is black and big Russia is an aggressor that came to terminate a small Georgia.
CNN says that Russia uses too many forces to stop Georgian “peacemakers”. I just wander who is going to calculate the amount of combatants that are needed to stop those who are killing kids at this time. Probably US will send some three super heroes from the Hollywood movie which might substitute “too many forces” that will stop the entire army of Georgia. Instead of helping the peace forces to save civilians and to push Georgian troops off the peace line the US helped Saakashvilly to bring more from Iraq – no comments, newer mind! Withholding facts and lots of lies – that is what I hear in CNN! I used to study in the US, I have many friends there, and I know that the most of the people there are good guys. I believe that in CNN many of those who serve for the true word and not for dirty politicians. Probably my comments will go in a trash can, because they are not good for Americans and some American politicians and they are not good for “correct brain washing”, but I hope that many people will read it.