But we are animals. To deny that we are animals is to disregard the evolutionary history of our species, and to ignore our place in the natural world.

And "natural" human action—or animal action, for that matter—is not limited to whatever we need to do to survive. Kissing and hugging, for example, aren't essential to the survival of the human species, yet we do it all the time anyway. Would you call that unnatural?

Ragettho (talk)23:34, 3 June 2011

Its simple, not animals = ability to make choices and override emotions. so hung up on definitions.

"Social evolution" is responsible for hugging and kissing, it has a purpose which does have to do with survival. Think about it friend.

Crazynomad (talk)23:12, 6 June 2011

"ability to make choices and override emotions"

Like all intelligent mammals, then? Y'know, dolphins, apes, dogs etc.

Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs)23:33, 6 June 2011

No self awareness haha, more nit picking please, its the best way to prove your right with out even arguing your side.

Crazynomad (talk)23:34, 6 June 2011

O RLY?

Prove to me you're self-aware. Prove I'm not a brain in a jar and that you - and my keyboard - aren't figments of my imagination.

(PROTIP: It's impossible - or, if it isn't, several centuries of philosophy have failed to do it.)

Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs)23:36, 6 June 2011

How do you prove anything? with logic and understanding. I think therefore I am. simple.

Crazynomad (talk)23:52, 6 June 2011

Cogito ergo sum. Main problem with that is it's quite a leap from 'I think' to 'I exist'. Also, I see little evidence of thinking here.

Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs)23:58, 6 June 2011
 
 

I'm sorry, you were looking for an argument? A string of reasoned points that you could defeat and debunk?

Seems God, and the Bible, didn't prepare you for that – as delivered by Godless Wikinewsies.

Don't worry, you can stick your fingers in your ears, sing Ode to Joy loudly, and pretend non-theists equipped with logic, science, and facts are Satan's spawn.

Definitely preferable to admitting you're a member of the animal kingdom, isn't it?

Brian McNeil / talk23:54, 6 June 2011

You think im a follower of god? you are mistaken my friend.

Crazynomad (talk)23:57, 6 June 2011

I never claimed friendship with you; I tend to avoid people who're in self-denial. Unless, of course, they present themselves for sporting purposes on teh Intarwebz.

You're denying more than two hundred years of scientific research because it suits your argument for homophobia. You're arguing we, humans, are unique; special to the extent that we're not members of the animal kingdom.

Why don't you take a long enough walk to fall off the edge of the flat Earth you oh-so obviously live on?

Brian McNeil / talk00:07, 7 June 2011