Talk:Oklahoma City suburbs on fire
Latest comment: 18 years ago by Karen
The title "Oklahoma City, USA suburbs on fire" is really rather akward. The title doesn't have to explain were the city is, that can be done in the article if its really necessary. Personally, I think an interwiki link is sufficent. Johnny Q 05:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with you. Karen 05:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Of course it has to explain where it is. If I started an article titled "Belém suburbs on fire" would you know where it was talking about? Probably not, even though Belém is a larger city than Oklahoma City. Titles are regularly changed when they are not specific. They are supposed to be as specific as possible. Since we're discussing this I'm going to put it back into develop. --MateoP 05:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- This is not an actionable objection. Please resolve this withouth returning the article to develop. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- As it stands it is a eurocentric title and does not belong on the front page. --MateoP 06:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Please don't disrupt Wikinews to make a point... --Chiacomo (talk) 06:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not making any point. The title is unacceptable without naming the country. --MateoP 06:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. There is only one place called Oklahoma City. Titles only need to be specific enough to prevent confusion, and should pass a reasonable-person test, in my opinion. If a reasonable person doesn't know that the US has a state called Oklahoma, it's their loss. The last thing we'd want to do is have headlines that explain where certain countries are, or major cities. -- IlyaHaykinson 06:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- This is a global wiki, IlyaHaykinson. Your reason-person test seems to be ethnocentric, assuming everyone comes from your perspective. Goiania is a Brazilian city which is the only place called Goiania and has a population easily larger than that of Oklahoma City, would this city go without country in title in your opinion? I doubt it. --MateoP 06:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that unless there are multiple places that Goiania refers to, it should have just that in the headline. All headlines on Wikinews are written to be from the local perspective. If you live in or around Oklahoma City, you'd expect the headline to be something like "Oklahoma City suburbs on fire". Same with living in Brazil for Goiania. The country name is only typically added when it's a potentially confusing name (i.e. an article about London, Ontario) or a very small city that a person aware of the locale won't know (i.e. an article about Chatsworth, California). -- IlyaHaykinson 06:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Where is the cutoff point, in your mind? In truth, if I wrote an article about Goiania I guarantee people would change it. Are you going to back me up if I do? Because it has at least twice as many people as Oklahoma City. This just seems to make a lot of abritrary judgement calls. Oklahoma City only has 500,000 people in the city. There are a couple of dozen cities in most mid-sized countries with that many people. --MateoP 06:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that unless there are multiple places that Goiania refers to, it should have just that in the headline. All headlines on Wikinews are written to be from the local perspective. If you live in or around Oklahoma City, you'd expect the headline to be something like "Oklahoma City suburbs on fire". Same with living in Brazil for Goiania. The country name is only typically added when it's a potentially confusing name (i.e. an article about London, Ontario) or a very small city that a person aware of the locale won't know (i.e. an article about Chatsworth, California). -- IlyaHaykinson 06:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- This is a global wiki, IlyaHaykinson. Your reason-person test seems to be ethnocentric, assuming everyone comes from your perspective. Goiania is a Brazilian city which is the only place called Goiania and has a population easily larger than that of Oklahoma City, would this city go without country in title in your opinion? I doubt it. --MateoP 06:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. There is only one place called Oklahoma City. Titles only need to be specific enough to prevent confusion, and should pass a reasonable-person test, in my opinion. If a reasonable person doesn't know that the US has a state called Oklahoma, it's their loss. The last thing we'd want to do is have headlines that explain where certain countries are, or major cities. -- IlyaHaykinson 06:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not making any point. The title is unacceptable without naming the country. --MateoP 06:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- This is not an actionable objection. Please resolve this withouth returning the article to develop. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well the EU came to town. You should have just renamed it. Just marking pages is a mark of the power hungry. Editing them works towards the mission of wikinews. Especially when a mere 10 taps of the keyboard is all that is needed. --Sfullenwider 06:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I did rename it. 3 times. Another would have been against the 3RR. There is no other way to correct a NPOV decision than to tag it. --MateoP 06:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I also agree with IlyaHaykinson. Additionally, if Belém's suburbs were on fire in Brazil, I'd suggest "Belém do Pará" instead of "Belém, Brazil". Furthermore, a story about Goiânia would not require noting within the headline it was in Brazil because Goiânia is a unique city name. I'd support MateoP if someone required "Brazil" be in the headline. Unique city names need not be further defined by country within the headline. I'm unsure how omitting the country (in this case, the United States) in the headline would make it "eurocentric". Karen 00:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)