Talk:Interview: Wikinewsie Kim Bruning discusses Wikimania
Latest comment: 18 years ago by Cllewr in topic Notes
I've been terribly paraphrased with the cunningham speech yet, and my name isn't spelled right in the title ;-) I fixed most other stuff. :-) it might be better to just change this to prose, and look up the relevant data , because this isn't going very far. :-/
spelling ?? edit
"The wikis could drft back and fro between computers" what are this words ? Drive back and forward ?? I havent corrected it since i'm not sure of the meaning.
- I think Kim's original words were "drift back and fro" -- I changed this to "to and fro" for more clarity. Cllewr 20:35, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Notes edit
This interview was held in #wikinews real time chat on IRC. Thus, I present the following IRC log as my notes. (P.S., Obviously the published article contains paraphrases of Kim's words (as well as mine). This is to create a condensed and easily understood text. Kim has already granted me permission to paraphrase.)
Cllewr = Jonathan Collwer, kim_bruning = Kim Bruning.
<Cllewr> What were some of the most common questions for Jimbo Wales
<tomg> any big media organisations there?
<kim_bruning> yes a lot!
<Cllewr> yeah, answer tomg's question too
<kim_bruning> german and dutch national media
<Cllewr> such as?
<tomg> eep
<tomg> is this an interview
<Cllewr> any americans?
<kim_bruning> yes
<tomg> I didn't realise that
<Cllewr> tomg: sort of
<kim_bruning> it's an interview
<kim_bruning> tomg, don't worry!
<tomg> (leave out the bit where I say "is this an interview")
<kim_bruning> ask questions!
<tomg> (and that line) [and this one]
<kim_bruning> yes this will be edited!
<kim_bruning> now then
<Cllewr> what news organizations, precisely
<kim_bruning> I dunno if americans came for sure
<Cllewr> ?
<kim_bruning> reuters did
<kim_bruning> errr 3sat if my image caption is correct
<kim_bruning> dutch NOS news
<kim_bruning> oh and wikinews... sorta ;-)
<kim_bruning> aftenposten from ...
<Cllewr> i can't tell if you're still responding
<Cllewr> ok to ask something else?
<Cllewr> btw kim pls log this in case my computer crashes
<-- KevinMarks has quit ("The computer fell asleep")
<kim_bruning> I'm logging
<Cllewr> good
<Cllewr> shall we go onto another question?
<kim_bruning> I seem to have misplaced my cache of business cards sompelace
<kim_bruning> ask elian for a rundown!
<kim_bruning> she has the list afaik
--> Marc (N=cdcf4e04@rdns.151.240.218.216.fre.communitycolo.net) has joined #wikinews
<Cllewr> tomg?
<kim_bruning> actually!
<Cllewr> wait are you asking for me to interview tomg instead?
<kim_bruning> theres a dbase
<Cllewr> what?
<kim_bruning> No I'm not?
--> avar (N=Huld@adsl6-56.simnet.is) has joined #wikinews
<kim_bruning> there's a database of presspeople
<kim_bruning> I'll dig
<kim_bruning> next q in the mean time
<kim_bruning> over 100 representatives of the press were there
<Cllewr> Besides interviews, jimbo was a featured speaker at wikimania. what did he focus on in his speech, what was the reaction?
<kim_bruning> (no idea, missed that talk)
<kim_bruning> ah wait
<kim_bruning> he was blogging for larry lessig
<kim_bruning> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_first_Wikimania_convention_held_in_Germany
<kim_bruning> based his speech on 10 things that want to be free
<kim_bruning> here:
<kim_bruning> http://www.lessig.org/blog/
<kim_bruning> (scroll down)
<Cllewr> what other speakers were featured at wikimania? what words did they offer towards wikimedia's present state and also the future?
--- Marc is now known as marc7
<kim_bruning> there were 70+ speakers
<marc7> can anyone tell me why access to #wikipedia is "blocked"?
<kim_bruning> http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Speakers
<kim_bruning> here's a list
<kim_bruning> marc7, I'll ask
<marc7> ah, just from the web-based irc client. got it.
<kim_bruning> marc7, ^^;;
<kim_bruning> okay, nm
<marc7> thanks though!
<kim_bruning> we're doing an interview
<kim_bruning> maybe you have questions to ask too :-)
<marc7> yipes, sorry, i'll pipe down, i'll let you know via privmsg if I do
<kim_bruning> ok very important was the keynote by ward cunningham about past and future of wikis
<kim_bruning> marc7, just ask here
<kim_bruning> this will be condensed :)
<Cllewr> marc, we're going to edit things out so it's ok
<kim_bruning> and don't make it an irc log transcript
<kim_bruning> just use the information you get from me :-)
<Cllewr> don't worry, i won't
<kim_bruning> might be handier :-)
<kim_bruning> ok, you're good :-)
<Cllewr> do you mind if i put it in interview format and paraphrase your words?
<kim_bruning> It might be nicer to just put it in straight format
<kim_bruning> I'm not important ^^;;
<kim_bruning> but do what you like
<Cllewr> i think it's confusing to do it in prose though
<kim_bruning> not mentioning my name is a plus :-)
<Cllewr> ok, anyway, tell us about the cunningham speech
<kim_bruning> If you say so
<kim_bruning> okay well ward cunningham invented wikis
<kim_bruning> he sort of had been thinking of doing stuff a lot
<kim_bruning> and at one point he sort of hotwired a [[hypercard]] stack
<kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercard
<Cllewr> he created this?
<kim_bruning> with hypercard you could make cards (pages) and you could link them by dragging with the mouse
<kim_bruning> no, hypercard is an apple application
<Cllewr> oh i see
<Cllewr> it started with hypercard?
<kim_bruning> you build hypercard "stacks"
--> MrMiscellanious (N=MrMiscel@66-188-31-111.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) has joined #wikinews
<kim_bruning> and he made a stack in such a way, that you could add words to one side
<Cllewr> omg i remember hypercard
<kim_bruning> which you could search for
<kim_bruning> and he expanded that so you could add keywords, and if they weren't there yet, it'd create a card for that keyword
<Natterer> MrMisc!
<Cllewr> interesting
<kim_bruning> now this got unhandy after a while, so at some point he actually wrote a dedicated program
<kim_bruning> that was the wiki
<kim_bruning> and we all know what that is, so I'll skip right up to future :-)
<MrMiscellanious> Natterer!
<kim_bruning> INTERVIEW HERE!
<kim_bruning> ;-)
<kim_bruning> please help grill me at the spit!
<kim_bruning> or something
<Natterer> Who are you interviewing?
<Wikinewsie193> Where can we find the list of the Wikimania winners from the Sunday announcement?
<kim_bruning> for some reason Cllewr is interviewing me
<kim_bruning> ask on #wikimania?
<MrMiscellanious> :)
<MrMiscellanious> I guess I'll go to wikinews-en then to chat :P
<Wikinewsie193> Kim: Stop being sensible!
<Wikinewsie193> ;-)
<kim_bruning> LOL
<Cllewr> b/c you were at wikimania kim!
<kim_bruning> Wikinewsie193, who are you? :-)
<kim_bruning> Wikinewsie193, ;-)
--> jbn-o (N=jbn@12-221-85-167.client.insightBB.com) has joined #wikinews
<Wikinewsie193> OOp! I am davodd.
<Wikinewsie193> BRB
<-- Wikinewsie193 has quit (Remote closed the connection)
<kim_bruning> Ah ok
--> Davodd_AtWork (N=45e4fab2@rdns.151.240.218.216.fre.communitycolo.net) has joined #wikinews
<Natterer> Davodd!
<marc7> w193: don't bother brb'ing, just /nick... oh too late
<Cllewr> don't worry kim, we'll finish soon
<kim_bruning> Ok
<kim_bruning> FUTURE
<Cllewr> what did cunningham say about the future of wikis?
<kim_bruning> that's where we were
<Cllewr> you got it
<kim_bruning> Ok
<-- marc7 has quit (Remote closed the connection)
<kim_bruning> well, people keep writing wiki software for one computer
<Davodd_AtWork> I am not used to this IRC java program -- (Miss trillian)
<kim_bruning> and people keep doing distributed computing
<kim_bruning> in a way that they try to make a distributed machine behave like a single machine
<kim_bruning> that's a bit silly
<CraigSpurrier_aw> if you are on the real time chat one it is cgi not java :)
<kim_bruning> how about playing to the strengths of a distributed system?
<kim_bruning> so he envisions objects (maybe in the case of a wiki , wiki pages)
<Cllewr> i'm not sure what this means ;)
<Cllewr> oh, sorry, continue
<kim_bruning> sort of being kept distributed over several computers
<kim_bruning> they sort of drift back and fro
<kim_bruning> and keep a history of where they've been
<kim_bruning> and each computer automatically keeps only links to those objects that are on that machine
<Cllewr> impact of such a concept?
<kim_bruning> so say you have a wiki, then a lot of pages would show up as red links, and only a few as blue
<Cllewr> right
<kim_bruning> well, GerardM seemed pleased, he figured it would be the most useful method to distribute wikipedia and other wikimedia projects to africa for instance
<kim_bruning> the idea is that it should be acceptable to have only partial data
<-- MrMiscellanious has quit ("Client Exiting")
<kim_bruning> and to be able to deal with it
<Davodd_AtWork> (Sounds like Google Desktop)
<kim_bruning> so for instance if you're in africa with no fixed network line
<Cllewr> but what are the benefits of this?
<kim_bruning> you can still use wikipedia
<Cllewr> ohhhh
<Cllewr> right
<Cllewr> good
<kim_bruning> because like folks would put a thunb in one machine
<kim_bruning> take it with them to another
<kim_bruning> and that way some of the pages and page changes from the one would propagate to the other
<kim_bruning> for instance
<Davodd_AtWork> (Sounds like the MSFT Passport idea)
<kim_bruning> Davodd_AtWork, ms passport needs permanent connection IIRC
<kim_bruning> could be wrong
<kim_bruning> sounds like a lot o different plans
<kim_bruning> You might find a paper on this at the wikimania website, I do not know
<kim_bruning> Ok
<kim_bruning> so that's his ideas for future
<Cllewr> cool
<kim_bruning> to make wikis more scalable
<kim_bruning> and to make them usable in wierd places
<kim_bruning> Ok
<kim_bruning> okay, what's up next?
<Cllewr> was wikimania a success in the eyes of the wikimedia user? what impacts might it have had on wikimedia? and, are there any plans for a future wikimania yet?
<kim_bruning> yes it was quite successful and fun according to all the wikimedians I met
<kim_bruning> Now a lot of folks have met each other in person so all kinds of tensions may have ebbed away
<kim_bruning> I know that talks (heh, DANCING! ;-) ) between dutch wikipedia and kennisnet cleared a lot of bad air
<Cllewr> what is kennisnet
<kim_bruning> cleared up a lot of *internal* issues on the dutch wikipedia
<kim_bruning> kennisnet is the first external hosting provider
<kim_bruning> even before yahoo
<kim_bruning> they provide us with servers in amsterdam
<kim_bruning> interview mark- for details
<Cllewr> i see
<kim_bruning> and we have several kennisnetters assigned to us who might be interviewable
<Cllewr> that would be cool
<kim_bruning> :-)
<kim_bruning> okay
<kim_bruning> ask mark- tomorrow when he's awake and take it from there
<kim_bruning> mark- and kennis net are in UTC +0200 timezone
<kim_bruning> kennisnet too
<kim_bruning> one moment more...
<Cllewr> impacts on wikimedia?
<kim_bruning> we get servers
<kim_bruning> money
<kim_bruning> etc
<kim_bruning> from kennisnet
<kim_bruning> they pay for and operate a serverpark in amsterdam
<kim_bruning> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kennisnet
<Cllewr> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%2425000_Summer_Sizzler_-_Kart_Race_Las_Vegas <-- ??
<Cllewr> that's completely unrelated, btw
<kim_bruning> Cllewr, eh?
<Cllewr> okay, so, what are the possible impacts of wikimania on wikimedia?
<kim_bruning> Um, that's a big question
<kim_bruning> well people have met each other
<Cllewr> you don't have to answer it
<kim_bruning> developers have worked on software
<kim_bruning> small conflicts that happen online have been solved
<kim_bruning> wikimania is now very clearly on the press-map
<Cllewr> finally - future plans for another wikimania? is this going to be an annual thing, or what?
<Cllewr> or is nothing known?
<jeff> �/names
<jeff> bah, lag.
--- Amgine_ is now known as Amgine
<Pechorin> re Amgine
<Amgine> <good timezones the whole channel>
<Natterer> Amgine!
<Cllewr> hellooo kim?
--> MrMiscellanious (N=MrMiscel@66-188-31-111.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) has joined #wikinews
<Amgine> Natterer! mist U
<Natterer> MrMisc!
<MrMiscellanious> Natterer!
<MrMiscellanious> Amgine!
<Natterer> You've missed me? I bet that you haven't really.
<Amgine> !
<Amgine> Actually have. There have been some discussions I would have liked your insight on.
<Natterer> What's New Today, Then?
<Amgine> Mmm... /Brief is back. And looks like it could be very useful.
<Amgine> KevinBaas has increased its scope.
<Amgine> And Wiktionary v. Commons, round two, is underway.
<Natterer> Oooh! Have people started using the United States portal?
<Natterer> Wiktionary versus Commons?
<Pechorin> everybody: do you think that /Brief is too long for use as a lead text?
<Amgine> Which? <looks>
<Natterer> *Wiktionary* versus Commons?
<Cllewr> pechorin, i thought it was a bit weird
<kim_bruning> Cllewr, Oh yes
<Cllewr> to have /brief be the lead text
<kim_bruning> Cllewr, rince has this wierd plan to get an A380 for our next wikimeet
<Cllewr> it should just go back to the old way, where you put in the lead text manually
<kim_bruning> I think he's nuts
<Amgine> It's actually kinda cool...
--> Wikinewsie580 (N=18b567c6@rdns.151.240.218.216.fre.communitycolo.net) has joined #wikinews
<kim_bruning> no idea if you should publish that ;-)
<kim_bruning> the A380 is the newest airbus
<kim_bruning> and he'd want to fly between the 4 continents with it in... 2008
<-- Wikinewsie580 has quit (Remote closed the connection)
<kim_bruning> ask rince for details on that
<Amgine> Will it be flying at the time?
<kim_bruning> :-)
<kim_bruning> Amgine, part of the time. yes
<Cllewr> so there are no formal plans for a new wiki meetup?
<Cllewr> none by the foundation, i mean
<kim_bruning> Cllewr, I'm not sure
<Amgine> <hmmms> Sounds cool. Might be cheaper, but no internet during a geek meeting?
<kim_bruning> probably it's too early yet, eh?
<Amgine> There would be riots.
<Cllewr> yeah
<kim_bruning> Amgine, I'm sure the A380 will have sat hookup
<kim_bruning> But that's a dream plan
<Amgine> Not for the bandwidth *we* use.
<kim_bruning> no idea if it works
<kim_bruning> there was only 10 mbit at the haus der jugend!
<Amgine> Really? And you didn't have vloggers complaining?
<kim_bruning> Hmm, that cart race can be NPOVed can't it?
<kim_bruning> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%2425000_Summer_Sizzler_-_Kart_Race_Las_Vegas
<kim_bruning> wikinews should also report on small events ^^;;
<kim_bruning> OR!
<kim_bruning> you can temporarily blank it
<kim_bruning> but offer to report on it ;-)
--> Wikinewsie669 (N=423d492d@rdns.151.240.218.216.fre.communitycolo.net) has joined #wikinews
<kim_bruning> Ah like anyway
<kim_bruning> will that do for a story, Cllewr ?
cold rolled steel building edit
hi there macaulay i got it from a friend so this is there link
filling address , there there most competitive in the game ,tell them mrs wintek recommened yous
factories doing up edit
hello beverlay i got it from a friend so i think this is there site filling address , they have a deal on at the mo ,say fetonsy told you to ring him