Talk:Eurovision '82 winner Nicole talks about 'Ein bißchen Frieden', her success and the Contest today

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Pi zero in topic Bernd Meinunger

Original reporting


E-mail interview done between Mike Halterman (in Tampa, Florida) and Nicole (in Neunkirchen, Saarland, Germany), in the last week of January 2009. Special thanks to Christel Knorrn, Nicole's publicist at Sony BMG GmbH in Munich, and to Winfried Seibert. Mike Halterman (talk) 12:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

I received an email copy from Mike Halterman (talk · contribs) an can verify this. Cirt (talk) 15:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply



Bernd Meinunger



This article mentions Ralph Siegel, but there is no mention of his co-writer, w:Bernd Meinunger ( GravityIsForSuckers (talk) 21:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@GravityIsForSuckers: Are you saying there's an error in the article, or expressing a wish that there be additional information? --Pi zero (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: expressing a wish that there be additional information. GravityIsForSuckers (talk) 22:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
@GravityIsForSuckers: If we find an error in an archived article, we issue a {{correction}}; but, even then, we do not make substantive changes to archived articles. (See WN:ARCHIVE.) --Pi zero (talk) 22:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: Ah, I understand. I considered it an error of omission. This statement, "The song was a brainchild of her former record producer, Ralph Siegel, and would be their greatest achievement in their nearly three-decade partnership." appears to me to be inaccurate, since it wasn't only "their" achievement, because the song was also written by Bernd Meinunger (and produced by Robert Jung). However, I accept your decision. Thank you for the explanation. -- GravityIsForSuckers (talk) 22:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
@GravityIsForSuckers: If it's an error, we should address it; this seems to me to depend on what Meinunger's role was in the creation of the song. As best I can tell, the source you've linked says the song was "written" by the due of Siegel and Meinunger, which does not necessarily preclude the song being the brainchild of Siegel. Do we have more in-depth information about this? --Pi zero (talk) 23:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: I won't dispute whether or not it was Siegel's brainchild (although there's no citation in the article that shows the source of that statement). As far as who created the song, it seems to be universally accepted that it was a joint effort.
From the w:Ralph Siegel article: "In 1982, Siegel's and Bernd Meinunger's song Ein bißchen Frieden (A Little Peace), performed by Nicole won the Contest and became a hit in Europe."
And a quote from a BBC article: "After coming second for the previous two years Germany's efforts paid off and they won a decisive victory with Nicole singing "Ein bisschen Frieden". The song secured writers Ralph Siegel and Bernd Meinunger a place in Eurovision history, writing eighteen songs between them in all, thirteen of which were for Germany."
So if altering the existing statement in the article about it being the "brainchild" of Siegel is not appropriate, it might be appropriate to mention in another location to mention that Siegel was not the song's sole creator, but a partnership or collaboration with Meinunger. -- GravityIsForSuckers (talk) 23:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
Given this was a Mike Halterman article, I wouldn't casually suppose a careless error in this case. I'm not taking a position "against" {{correction}}; but the threshold for doing so is not low. I may attempt to look into the matter further, though not instantly as there are other on-wiki tasks I need to give some time this evening. --Pi zero (talk) 23:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
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