Talk:Controversy over New Orleans photos captions

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Oops. I forgot to login. But, ah, for the purpose of whatever, I am the original poster. --Aciel 06:09, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


Looters in New Orleans take home groceries.
New Orleans residents wade through water for food.

I'm confused...Edit

Who is providing the caption? Is it from the two distinct news orgs AFP and AP? If it was the same then I would consider this a good find and very observant. Words really do matter. But if it is from two distinct sources then what is the story?

I agree. It looks to me like these are two distinct news organisations, in which case the main point loses all its force. It could be simply a matter of differing editorial policy. --Malcohol 09:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
It's more a report on Yahoo! News' presentation of the photos. See changes to the article. --Aciel 13:44, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Yahoo! is performing some news compilation right from the sources. I'm not suggesting the article is POV, simply that there is no story here. Oh well the headline is changed so the controversy is the story, I suppose. But if that is the case, who are the people involved in the controversy itself and why do readers need to care what probably is just some blogger who thinks they got a big fish?

HereyougoEdit

http://news.yahoo.com/page/photostatement

And yeah, the AP would've probably captioned both photos looting, while AFP would've captioned both white and black photos "food finding". --Berkut 09:54, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Added the link in. Thanks! --Aciel 13:22, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

analysisEdit

"Many blogs have jumped on this as "proof" of racism. But look at the picture, the whites have just a few items, clearly groceries. The black kid on the other hand has an entire garbage bag filled with who knows what - certainly more then he can eat alone. It sure looks like he was looting. If that bag was filled with food (as you might imagine from the pepsi in his hand) - then why isn't the pepsi in the bag? Clearly the stuff in the bag, and the pepsi were taken at different time. It looks like looting to me, and the entire controversy is a joke."

- we're a news site. This analysis can't go in like this: I suggest quoting from blogs if you want to give an idea of what people are saying or thinking about these pictures. it is an interesting story, more sources would be good. ClareWhite 10:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Is this still NPOV? Or can we remove that tag now? --Aciel 13:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
It could use a better title, one that emphasizes the fact that we are covering the controversy over the captions, not the fact that AFP and AP caption different photos with different captions. Other then the title it looks to be NPOV, great work. --Cspurrier 13:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree completely. Feel free to change it; unfortunately, I've got to get to class. Yuck. TGIF! Though I guess the people down in La don't feel that way... --Aciel 14:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't think there should be any controversy. Two different agencies, two different photographers (for all we know), two different caption writers, etc. Why is there a controversy? And to be fair, that blog post above says it all. --Mrmiscellanious 15:54, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Double standard or not, it's ridiculous to use the word "looting" to describe people scavenging after being caught in a disaster. Cfortunato (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Much better titleEdit

I was just about to write about the biased title when it was changed. Good job. - 162.138.176.51 15:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Race DescriptorsEdit

Could we please not use "African-American" and "caucasian" in the same article? One is an ethnic descriptor and one is an anthropologic. Proper alternate lists could be:

- African-American and European-American
- Black and White
- Negroid and Caucasian (note that Negroid is generally never used (due to the prejudice associated with words such as "negro", "nigger", etc, thus boggling me why Caucasian is))

This is a huge problem with demographic descriptors as a whole and its one of my personal crusades/ peeves. Thanks. JD79 23:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Good to know. I'd never seen it put that way before, but I for one will try to follow that. --Aciel 08:27, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
This is probably the most insigificant and petty worry anyone could have about anything. --69.234.205.118 02:25, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

In White America we will always be niggasEdit

This really mad me mad, neither of them paid for it, so both sets of pictures should have been described in the same manner. This is nothing new in America, black people have come use to white folks treating us like second class citizens.

Whiteness TheoryEdit

Check out this Theory of Race and look at Media Theory.

Social Problems are typically linked with minorities in the media. When it is the 'white' people associated with a problem, it is discussed/framed very very differently...

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