Talk:Capture of FARC member creates crisis between Venezuela and Colombia

General Discussion

Note: This article needs some work. My principal problem for now is written it in proper English, so I can get a usefull version at least. The title I have put for it, maybe it is not good and I accept suggestions. The article needs some help and there are a lot of information about it in internet. I will appreciate any help, suggestions, corrections, etc. Just dont say the article is not good, I know that. If you see something wrong correct it or give some idea how to correct it. Thanks.-- Carlosar 01:11, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I made some copy and style edits, and cleaned it up generally. We do need to look out for several less-well-supported assertions and make sure that any statements in the article are directly attributable to sources. MikeEdwards 20:45, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate you help and I hope you continue analysing and criticizing this text, so it gets well written. I will try to revise the text according to your suggestions and give an answer to your critics. -- Carlosar 01:07, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Apologies

I'm sorry, Carlosar... I didn't see these edits. - Amgine 01:13, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It is ok :) . --- Carlosar 02:53, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Critics and answers

1. Who is the MIPT? --- MikeEdwards 20:45, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

According to MIPT website: The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism (MIPT) is a non-profit organization dedicated to preventing terrorism on U.S. soil or mitigating its effects. MIPT was established after the April 1995 bombing of the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, and it is funded through the Department of Homeland Security's Office for State and Local Government Coordination and Preparedness (OSLGCP).
I have found the MIPT website researching in internet when I was looking for some more information about the FARC. I liked the MIPT website because they have a good database about terrorist movements around the globe of any kind and political orientation. I compared some informations with other sources and I have found nothing seriously wrong with it. Actually I have found the website a good tool for research. Anyway check yourself and see if there is something wrong I couldn't see. --- Carlosar 02:28, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

2. We need a source for the Chavez link and a more qualified statement about Lula, given the less-than-rock-solid evidence stated below. Associating heads of state with terrorists groups gets us into libel territory if untrue --- MikeEdwards 20:45, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you, we must have some evidence and write carefully in these case. That is why that when I saw the article Veteran sergeant accounts US torture coverup I warned people about this fact(please people, don't talk about that article anymore, I am using it just an example, it is not a complain or critic :). To me that article is a finished and reviewed Wikinews article). But since a lot of people said there was no trouble with it and the article was written carefully at some extent, I agreed. The words of an not well-known retired soldier and a free-lancer reporter (with in my opinion is not better than you, me, or anyone else here in Wikinews) published in a not so big website were evidences to the publication of an article linking the Bush administration with past torture activities. Because I believe(like you) we need solid evidences I am collecting evidences and putting them at the FARC-evidences page. I hope that in this page we can see evidences so we can say with sure that Lula and Chavez have some empathy with the FARC movement at least. Unless you think we need even more evidences because the reputation of these presidents are more important than the reputation of the president of the USA. This is stage one. After we have be convinced about the FARC link(or not), we can think how can we write it in a proper and carefully way. This will be stage two.

3. Who is this(about Venezuelan Luis Tascón)? An average Venezuelan or someone with evidence and in a position to know this? MikeEdwards 20:45, 13 Jan 2005 UTC

He's the deputy for the opposition. VikOlliver 18:30, 15 Jan 2005 NZDT

• El Observador - Caracas(VEN):

El diputado emeverrista Luis Tascón declaró a la cadena colombiana Radio Caracol que el llamado "Canciller de las FARC", Rodrigo Granda, fue secuestrado en Caracas por supuestos caza-recompensas, quienes estarían vinculados con un alto oficial de la fuerza armada neogranadina. -- The Venezuelan deputy Luis Tascón said that Rodrigo Granda was kidnapped in Caracas(VEN) by supposed bounty-hunters vinculated to a high official of Neogranadina army.

• interview of deputy Luis Tascón to Radio Caracol(COL) (audio)

Comments and Suggestions

The problem with Lula and Chavez is that both don't say to Colombia and USA that they are for/against the FARC. Both considere the FARC a political group, not a terrorist one. They meet and praise the FARC at their meetings but they don't like to talk about the FARC with other people. Maybe we should say something about this. That is as I see the case. You can give some ideas, suggestions, critics, etc.-- Carlosar 03:36, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)