Comments:Nineteen activists killed by Israeli commandos aboard aid convoy bound for Gaza
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- This is why in discussion, I have asked and we have moved the page to "Attack on Gaza aid flotilla" and not "Israel attack" and also every instance that says that Israel DID do the attack, has been changed to an accusation, and not a fact. Until we have proof one way or the other. ☠ Travis "TeamColtra" McCrea ☠ - (T)(C) 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Umm, rumour? CNN, ABC, The Guardian... IDF has put our press release expressing their view, acknowledging it. I think it's fair rnugh to say it's 'a fact' that it was an 'Israeli attack'
- Agreed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/may/31/henning-mankell-israel-flotilla-gaza - This source even states that one of the people on board one of the aid ships mentioned that Israelis were boarding one of the other ships in the flotilla and heard gunfire. Torinir (talk) 14:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
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I found this article to be a fair representation of the incident. While I feel the title could be rewritten, there is no disputing the factual content of the article. —TrickyH (talk) 08:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
if this happened in the USEdit
all the protesters would likely be dead, our police or military do no respond calmly to violent resistance. I think a few individuals on the lead ship cared less about the lives of themselves and their shipmates than they cared about provoking an incident for Israel. Any rational person in the middle of a raid would hit the ground and surrender, to resist is a death wish. Regardless of whether you are justified morally, trying to violently resist a raid is going to get you and many others killed.
I dont see this changing anyone's mind about Israel, if the protesters were completely peaceful it might have. This way it just polarizes both sides because they both see themselves as victims and their actions as justified.--126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
So basically your saying that in the US every resistance to law enforcement action is meet with deadly force? That's quite idiotic, following your reasoning the police at the various g8 protests should start shooting on the protesters Iran-style.
Hey, it didn't happen IN Israel, it happened in international waters...
The UN Security Council stops short of condemning the attackEdit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/un-condemns-israel-assault-gaza-flotilla - Calling for an inquiry into the attack, the UNSC stopped short of condemning the attack, due to objections from the US.
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IMO, this wikinews article ain't complete without the video footages supplied by the activisits and by the IDF. the sources don't mention that the soldiers landed barehanded, which followed using paintball guns while being beaten and only after long moments of being lynched used their handguns. people think the IDF had stormed the ship equipped with machineguns, or shooting from the air. this videos has great importance since it gives the clearest view of the first moments of the takeover, and shows exactly that the soldiers were acting by a self defence (it is important to say that there were no significant events in the other vessels)
the lack of videos regarding the claim of shooting before the boarding doesn't contradict the occurrence seen in the above links, supporting the claims of the attacks on the israeli troops.
Reports from the people on the ship seem to counter your assertion. Check CNN's interview with one of the Americans who was on the ship. Or read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10208027.stm
It is my understanding that 1) It took many hours for these videos to be released after the incident. 2) The live video feed, onboard the boat, was cut/scrambled after the first two were killed and the white flag was raised. 3) When the journalists and activists, that were aboard, are released we might know more.
So far, all those released have been countering Israel's self-defense theory, stating that the Israelis initiated the violence. Shots fired, gas canisters and stun grenades were apparently fired at the ships prior to any of the commandos hitting the decks of the ships.
Its time for the Israeli leadership to wake up and smell the manure they're sitting in. First they must get a grip and realise that there are international laws they must observe, Secondly they should apologize for the IDF's clumsy attempts to rewrite history by fabricating the idea that somehow they were attacked first - which is obviously utter nonsense. The authorities behind this unprovoked act of aggression must be brought to justice. As Israel is not party to the International Criminal Court, they have created a situation in which their nationals can escape prosecution for such atrocities. It is time for The UN to step in and impose serious sanctions against all arms trade to Israel. Meanwhile The UN should redouble its efforts to force Israel to recognize Palestinian rights, including the right of return. The world community should unite and not neglect to use this opportunity to put an end to the occupation and the decades of resulting violence that have marked the region for so long.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/raw-video-reporter-claims-israelis-fired-activists-boarding-ship/ - Looks like an AJ reporter, on the flotilla during the raid, was reporting that there was one dead from live fire BEFORE they boarded the ship. Check the video embedded in the article.
If the Israelis fired on the vessel prior to boarding, the attacks by the people on the ship become much more defensible.
really good reasoning, always give up the fight if things start to get ugly. The only downside is that all things like the american revolution are never going to happen. But hey! At least no accident happened and no one will be paying attention. By the way all this mess happened because Israel fucked up completely on managing the situation, they could have stopped the ships in others ways or sent people who know how to deal with riots without resorting to deadly force. I really have the impression that today Israel leadership don't know how to resolve the extremism on both part.