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Global Warming

Global Warming is not a political issue. It is a scientific theory for which there is broad agreement among scientists. A primary concern among scientists is that the melting of the ice caps in the northern and southern hemisphere will cause the sea level to rise. Further, changes in ocean current temperatures could mean the start of an ice age. Alternately, with ozone depeletion, a superheated earth could mean massive extinctions. Actually, either way, in a superheated earth scenario or an ice age scenario, it could mean massive extinctions.

Venus has an extremely thick atmosphere, the product of greenhouse gases caused by volcanoes, which consists mainly of carbon dioxide and a small amount of nitrogen, creating surface temperatures of over 460 °C. The USSR once sent a spaceship there and it melted.

Although Global Warming is not a political issue, the only reason to doubt these scientists would be to further a political agenda. For instance, Bush doubts these scientists to futher his interests in oil.

Mike Huckabee's political stance on the issue appears to be equivocal. He says it's a "moral issue." He also believes in creationism. I wonder what he thinks about dinosaurs?

Mitt Romney supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Didn't the Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower protect that land?

John McCain supports increased use of nuclear energy in the US to move away from dependence on foreign oil. What about Chernoble?

Hillary Clinton believes the scientific consensus on global warming. She supports the protection of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

One of John Edwards' campaign's main focuses is fighting global warming.

Barack Obama has taken the stance that global warming is human-caused, and that it must be addressed.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming

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Greedy Canadians. Contralya 01:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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I'm a Canadian , and I'm not greedy . I found this revolting to see that the united-states , Canada , Denmark and Russia are fighting like children over fossil resources in this region while they do not feel concerned about the fact that we should never be able to access those resources , let alone harvest more of fossil fuels that made this opening in the first place. I should be discouraging the world from continuing to harvest those resource , NOT encouraging them to harvest more in unexplored and previously unexploitable resources. The populations of those nations should be aware of this greedy and childish competition. "We believe it's an international passage," said U.S. President George W. Bush. For the first time since ... forever , i would tend to agree with Mr bush instead of any other representatives of the concerned countries , including Canada.It's turely the best thing the guy ever said against all odds. --Z E U S0 05:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

As a Canadian, I'd personally rather not have bush or anybody else for that matter (except Canadian Military) transversing the NW-passage in a nucular submarine unannounced (As the US did). Bawolff ☺☻ 06:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually it was an ice breaking ship. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 07:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually it was both (there was an icebreaker in 1985 and a nucular submarine a couple years ago). Bawolff ☺☻

Yes, nucular, that's the way GW Bush says nuclear. US submarines have travelled through the area 'often'. I'm from the US, and I think it's entirely normal for countries to claim surrounding ocean as their territory. Personally I think borders are obsolete, but there seems to be no law that says the US or anyone else has a 'right' to traverse the area. Then again we are the Untried Status of America, our government reserves the right to do whatever is necessary to serve corporate economic interests. On the other hand, the government should remember that the people are its master and not vice versa. Pedant 05:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The way I see it, the north pole and this passage are on neutral territory, and anyone should be able to go through either, without Canada claiming it or Russia trying to annex it. The far north is not for anyone to claim, just a bunch of ice and water. Antarctica is similar, but at least there is stable land down there. 65.27.139.162 07:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Most countries claim the waters surrounding them as theres (Under some UN treaty). Bawolff ☺☻ 02:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I remember reading in a book there was some guy in the 1800's claiming that the passage was open, but he had orders to come back. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Think about this!

The claim is that the water is open for the first time since recorded history. How can anyone make this claim.

We didn't have good reconnaissance of the area until after WWII. Prior to the 20th century there was little human presence in the area. If the water was open any time before say about 1800 we won't know.

A claim like this shows the stupidity of the author.

Because that's exactly what is. It may have been open, but the land so barren and deserted that the only people would have noticed it would be be some polar bears and eskimos who haden't seen civilization in years or at all. Plus, John Cabot tried to find it in the 1490s and had no luck finding and they've tried ever since to find it but never could. --TUFKAAP 19:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ho, ho, ho

The foreign countries are wrong, the Northwest Passage belongs to Santa Claus and his merry elves! (wink wink) 204.52.215.107 00:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Lol.The speed needed to deliver presents down the chimneys of over 200 million houses in one night would destroy any house he entered, NASA says.Contralya 01:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Canada post would argue that the Santa Clause lives in Canada and has the postal code H0H 0H0 :). Bawolff ☺☻ 02:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Santa also has a postal address in Greenland. It is ’Julemanden, 2412 Santa Claus Greenland’ and is served by Post Danmark. --SVTCobra 21:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Too bad we couldn't get a quote from him for the article... LOL. If we did, the article would be more NPOV, imo. —FellowWiki Newsie 21:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I live in Panama

Where do you think the hot water comes?

I find this situation fascinating.

1. Humans create technology capable of performing amazing tasks 2. Technology requires complimentary items and resources (such as fuel) to perform tasks. 3. Human technology with complimentary items cause harm to the environment. 4. Condition of the planet worsens. 5. As condition of planet worsens, more resources expose themselves. 6. Humans with technology exploit resources 7. Condition of the planet worsens.

You clearly don't know about the sun's seasons or the ice age seasons. Contralya 01:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Your "greedy" comment earlier and your scientifically deficient comment here, with their derisive tone, are not very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.189.230.42 (talk) 21:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The Northwest Passage is a Canadian Internal Water. The other countries can not use it without our permission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.118.8 (talk) 05:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)