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As more people get added to Category:People not categorized by occupation, we should look for candidates which can form a new occupational category. So far, I've identified a couple in addition to the much-discussed Category:Theologians / Category:Religious leaders:

  • Category:Military personnel: In my opinion, this should include high and low ranking military people in the news, but not dictators who pretend to have a military rank or politicians who by default are the top rank of their country's military.
  • Category:Media personalities: This seems to be a growing type, if not on Wikinews, but in the 'real world'. In this category, I envisage TV presenters/hosts, radio DJs, and anyone appearing on TV who doesn't qualify as a Category:Journalists or Category:Actors. I should include new media stars such as PewDiePie in this.

This is not a pressing problem, but I wanted put it "out there" for people to think about. If desired, I can list my would-be nominees for the proposed categories. Cheers, --SVTCobra 21:26, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: Yes, it was always part of my hope/intention that by gathering all these folks in one place one would be able to identify groups of them that could then be sent elsewhere. It hasn't worked as well, for me at least, as I'd hoped mostly because I look at this list and can't remember who they all are.

The "military personnel" one is tempting but I'm wondering if we can tweak the name somehow. It sounds... officially sanctioned. It doesn't sound to me like it would welcome the sort of people we typically call "militants" and msm typically call "terrorists".

Anyone for Category:Religious personnel? (Only partly joking.) --Pi zero (talk) 21:59, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I know you yearn for "catch-all" categories, but I'd be loathe to put Abubakar Shekau in the same category as Bernard Montgomery or Colin Powell. I'd rather start Category:Revolutionaries and group him with Fidel Castro. The lack of actual military training could be the dividing line, if nothing else. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: Well... yearn may be too strong a term. I'd love it if things ended up easy-to-use. Training seems a somewhat difficult criterion to apply.
Baron Friedrich Wilhelm Ludolf Gerhard Augustin Von Steuben
Went down to Valley Forge
Looked around and said, "Herr George,
Seems to me your army is kaput!
Ev'rybody's marching on a diff'rent foot!"
— "General Von Steuben", Continental Soldier Suite, Ray Charles (no, not that one; likely this one)
--Pi zero (talk) 22:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Sure, George looked like a 'n00b' to an actual baron, but let's be fair, the American Revolution was not his first time to play with guns. --SVTCobra 23:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: If I felt comfortable with the usage note for military personnel, I'd be happy to see it created. I considered the following, but am not satisfied with its final clause:
  • Use this category for persons who have served in a military, but do not use merely because a dictator pretends to a military rank, nor because a politician is by their office in command of a military, nor because a person belongs to a militant group.
My difficulty is that some militant groups are more "military" than others; if a political party has a military arm, from the usage note at Category:militant groups, the part is a militant group, but it seems to me a person serving in the military arm of the party might qualify as military personnel. So perhaps what's needed is not so much a clause about militant groups, but some sort of organizational explanation of what a military is. --Pi zero (talk) 04:33, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

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I think I found your non-military militant poster boy. I'd never try to include him in military personnel but he's a good talking point. Cheers, --SVTCobra 05:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: The word "militant" hangs about him, yes; though it doesn't seem the same sense of the word as in "militant group". Okay, here are some additional cases to consider; what would you say about these?
--Pi zero (talk) 12:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
I am piecing together a complementary pair of categories, Military personnel and Militants. --Pi zero (talk) 23:31, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Categories created. Populating them, though I've made a start at it, is another matter. --Pi zero (talk) 23:55, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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