Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/archives/2024/January


Wikimania 2023 Welcoming Program Submissions

 

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Ellen DeGeneres

Just some feedback to community members at ENWN : I was using the sister projects link template at wikiquote:Ellen DeGeneres and saw that no one had created a Category for her here at WN, even tough a search on her name comes up with many entries.

I am a infrequent visitor to ENWN so please forgive me if this message does not belong on this forum Ottawahitech (talk) 16:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure there are many subjects in our archives which deserve a category. I would encourage this type of archive diving be deprioritized as we struggle to have enough active users with permissions to publish new article submissions. That said, you are always free to create new categories for topics/subjects which have at least 3 published articles. If you do so, please create a list of the qualifying articles on the category talk page and tag it with {{fill this category}}. It will then get added to the appropriate to-do list. Cheers, SVTCobra 20:35, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

social media for reviewers and authors and developers

I've been having difficulty keeping up with the recent drafts, or published news, recently. And with development too (Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical/archives/2023/September has had no replies, I don't recall what is the password for the account, let alone my login for where it was hosted; hopefully at least these can be recovered around the holiday period).

To overcome this I'm proposing to try making groups where we can connect, possibly with audio or video, maybe two or three or four people at once, with other authors or reviewers. Of IM real-time chat protocols I'm using the following:

  • IRC - 'gry' at libera
  • xmpp - gry@lecturify.net
  • tox - TBC
  • jami - TBC
  • telegram - SvetaT23
  • whatsapp (would prefer not to) - can provide on request
  • matrix - @Svetlana:matrix.org
  • Mastodon - gry@masthead.social (didn't login in ages, also rather useless as it is not in real time)
  • twitter - satsixteen (mainly used to get hold of image relicensing permissions for photo essays)
  • sip: gryllida23@sip.linphone.org

Maybe if this is of interest, you can provide these details at your user page and/or share them here, we could connect. I think it will be easier to collaborate with one or two peers on article writing and reviewing, or development of software, to check eachother's work.

I have a hypothesis that connecting via audio and/or video sometimes (i.e., maybe once a month or several) could lead to improved and more prolific collaboration on-wiki.

Please let me know what you think and many thanks, --

Gryllida (talk) 05:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gryllida: Count me out - I don't see the value of participating in non-public communication. Wikis (let alone the Internet) were built so that groups of people can share ideas and crowdsource to produce something: software, news, wikipedias, etc. What's wrong with this social-media right here under your nose, other than no one has the time to organize it? Ottawahitech (talk) 23:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
While I appreciate the sentiment, I have always preferred on-wiki communication. In those rare instances where off-wiki communication is needed, I feel that we should insist people use either the official IRC channel or the Wikimedia e-mail delivery system. Scattering communications across multiple social media sites and groups seems counterproductive. In my opinion, what we need is for users with Reviewer and Admin permissions to be much more active on-wiki. We are constantly losing good writers because they have such a low chance of their articles getting published before they go stale. SVTCobra 20:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Radical idea regarding site skin

Howdy folks,

I've recently looked at the Wikimedia Australia website, and I've noticed that they have a very cool skin that resembles something like a Wordpress site, but with MediaWiki under the hood. I'm starting this more as an idea than a concrete proposal, but would it be possible to change our skin from Vector to something that resembles a standalone news website? Might this be better at attracting new readers? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 17:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Red-tailed hawk: I tentatively like this idea, but it seems that it's against Foundation policy. Have a look at the bottom of Meta:Limits to configuration changes#Prohibited changes. Thriftycat (talk) 04:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we could petition them to make a change. If we'd want to revitalize this project and improve its usability for readers as a news website, it might be worth a shot—particularly as the skin is supported by an affiliate at the moment. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a long shot, but it does look beautiful and seems to be maintained as you mentioned. "It has been decided" isn't exactly a strong justification for retaining Vector. I don't really like the "standard look" argument either, considering that Wikinews is significantly different from Wikipedia/other projects, and its appearance can and should reflect that.
When I have some time, I'll mess around with the skin on my private testwiki and see if it's workable for a community-edited project. Thriftycat (talk) 05:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That does not look like a skin for MediaWiki software. That just looks an regular informational website. SVTCobra 06:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a skin, but it might be too reader-focused to use on a community-edited site. Thriftycat (talk) 13:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, interesting, I note the following quote from a blog post on the topic: "For visitors, the WMAU skin looks like a normal website because there’s no menus for editing pages unless you’re logged in. Only then will a menu appear from the right hand side with options to edit pages in Source or Visual Editor."
Will this not serve to discourage participation by users who do not have accounts? Also, it seems to require a number of other extensions. Would the unfamiliarity of the look discourage other Wikimedians who do not realize what they are looking at? Cheers, SVTCobra 13:46, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you make some good points. When I'm back on my local network, I will test it out to see if it's possible to "wikify" it. I'm no MediaWiki whiz, though. Thriftycat (talk) 13:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am personally terrible at the technical stuff. Over the years, there have been many proposals to update the look of Wikinews and a few were adopted, but none as radical as this, I think. I caution, however, the idea that a slick new look will be the lightning in a bottle which reignites interest in Wikinews. It may be more pleasant to look at, but will it spur engagement? We desperately need more active users. SVTCobra 20:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2024-02

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Vote on the Charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee

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Hello all,

I am reaching out to you today to announce that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter is now open. Community members may cast their vote and provide comments about the charter via SecurePoll now through 2 February 2024. Those of you who voiced your opinions during the development of the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines will find this process familiar.

The current version of the U4C Charter is on Meta-wiki with translations available.

Read the charter, go vote and share this note with others in your community. I can confidently say the U4C Building Committee looks forward to your participation.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 18:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Status

Hello, Wikinewsians. I was wondering- how active is this project? I am considering contributing. Thanks! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 03:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see from Special:RecentChanges, versus (e.g.) w:en:Special:RecentChanges, not very active. Wikinews is the smallest of the Wikimedia sister projects (except maybe Wikifunctions, which is very new) and many would say that it's either a failure or on life support. I still think it's a worthwhile venture (or else I wouldn't be here), but if you only want to participate if there's a very active community, then there really isn't here. If you are motivated to work with a handful of dedicated colleagues, then this could be a good fit for you. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the info. I would be glad to contribute if there's even a semblance of a community here- it's just that I saw a tumbleweed rustle by on my way here, so I was curious. Cheers! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 12:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is definitely a community, but a small one. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:29, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say Wikinews has a certain learning curve. To contribute meaningfully, as a new editor, you need to dedicate yourself a bit more to an article than perhaps is needed to feel useful on Wikipedia. Statistically, it is rare to submit an idea or a {{stub}} and see other editors jump on it and complete it for you. Well-written and well-sourced articles will be reviewed. Wikinews reviewers tend to be helpful and will guide in the process of developing a publishable article. The reviewer cannot, however, rewrite the article for you, as they need to have a certain distance from the article in order to be an independent reviewer. If you feel you are not ready to submit full articles, you could help on articles which are already under development. Often, they need a lot of copy-editing. Do use the article's collaboration (talk) page to communicate as much as possible. And yes, it has been a little slow as of late. Flu season can have a major impact on small projects. Cheers and welcome to Wikinews! SVTCobra 00:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: You can find articles under development in the Newsroom. SVTCobra 00:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2024-04

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Last days to vote on the Charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Hello all,

I am reaching out to you today to remind you that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) charter will close on 2 February 2024. Community members may cast their vote and provide comments about the charter via SecurePoll. Those of you who voiced your opinions during the development of the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines will find this process familiar.

The current version of the U4C charter is on Meta-wiki with translations available.

Read the charter, go vote and share this note with others in your community. I can confidently say the U4C Building Committee looks forward to your participation.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 17:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]